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PR_Glen 11-17-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20291031)
I tend to think of it as low carb versus low fat as I eat beef in there. Also when I enter into my MyFitnessPal, it shows 26% fat for the day versus a goal of 30%. The carbs are way low.

And yes no one would want to live on this diet. It is a crash to get you to where you want to be quickly.

i went from about 25%+ bf to around 12% in about 40 days doing very low carb and high fat 65/30/5 with minimal exercise and wasn't starving myself in the least. Obviously exercise speeds things up as well.

you need fats every day, not once every few days. Like i said, nuts and seeds are fine for in betweens, don't have to do it with cheese and bacon.

Bryan G 11-17-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20292961)
i went from about 25%+ bf to around 12% in about 40 days doing very low carb and high fat 65/30/5 with minimal exercise and wasn't starving myself in the least. Obviously exercise speeds things up as well.

you need fats every day, not once every few days. Like i said, nuts and seeds are fine for in betweens, don't have to do it with cheese and bacon.

Glen,
Could you post your diet during that weight loss. What you ate for breakfast, lunch, dinner etc. I am looking to do a quick cut too.

Cheers

Adam Wade 11-18-2014 01:57 AM

In June 2012 I was 240 lb at 5 feet 11 inches. I started such a diet:
Breakfast: 2 boiled eggs, 1 piece of rye bread with liver spread, 6 green olives, 1 cup of green tea.
Dinner: 1 tomato + 1 cucumber salad and 1 piece of rye bread.
I also drank as much water as possible. That's it. :))
OK, I also used walking - about 10 miles per day. So in September 2012 I was 160 lb and felt fine.
Now after two years and a half I'm still about 170 lb and still feel fine. So I think everything is up to one's will. :))

slapass 11-18-2014 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross (Post 20292730)
I was thinking this myself. I eat really good, healthy nutricious foods every day, my wife too with left overs for lunch next day at the office and it probably doesn't cost me $22 for both of us. My wife just went grocery shopping yesterday, total cost was $140 for our entire weeks worth of shopping. That included some cleaning products and air fresheners too. :1orglaugh

Does that include going out? My thought was that since I am restricting myself to these specifics, I am saving on going out. I almost never cook so I am surprised that people can live on less. Are carbs cheap? Do you eat the same thing all week long?

Example: I love to order Jimmy Johns sandwich and chips. $11 after tip. Add a cookie and 66% of my daily budget would be gone, and I have drink water with it.

Not sure how you guys can do it. A bottle of wine is $10 at least where i live. Friends come over, we have wine and then go out to dinner and I have spent $50-100.

MarioFioso 11-18-2014 07:18 AM

cocaine keeps you thin:-)

slapass 11-18-2014 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20292961)
i went from about 25%+ bf to around 12% in about 40 days doing very low carb and high fat 65/30/5 with minimal exercise and wasn't starving myself in the least. Obviously exercise speeds things up as well.

you need fats every day, not once every few days. Like i said, nuts and seeds are fine for in betweens, don't have to do it with cheese and bacon.

Did you blend a few diet ideas together or is there one plan that you sort of followed. I am up for a change on some of this as it gets monotonous.

aka123 11-18-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20290901)
I am on this stupid fad diet. Or soI thought then I noticed that, yep I am losing weight, saving money and as a nice side benefit, learning to cook a bit.

Living on about $22/day food wise. 3 meals and two snacks.

Bad news is I am as hungry as fuck most of the time. :(

You refer $22/day as a cheap? By yourself, or is that some four member family? In the latter case I would say "cheapish", in the first case not so much.

What are you eating?


EDIT: Nevermind, it is already answered.

bronco67 11-18-2014 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20292961)
i went from about 25%+ bf to around 12% in about 40 days doing very low carb and high fat 65/30/5 with minimal exercise and wasn't starving myself in the least. Obviously exercise speeds things up as well.

you need fats every day, not once every few days. Like i said, nuts and seeds are fine for in betweens, don't have to do it with cheese and bacon.

the war on fat needs to end. I've been doing pretty much the same thing you are. Good fats and less carbs have been great for getting leaner. I use ketostix to check my ketone levels and I've pretty much figure out how to get into ketosis at will. For those who don't know what ketosis is(I'm sure Glen knows), it's when your system is using bodyfat as an energy source instead of carbs. Basically people need to change their systems from being a sugar burner to being a fat burner. It takes a while, but doing high(good) fats lower carb will make it happen.

Dropping calories without focusing on macro balance will cause you to drop muscle weight. Having less muscle means slower metabolic rate 24/7. It's lose-lose all the way.

Things like Weight Watchers and Jenny Craig have trained people to think that eating fat makes them fat. Then they sell all of this low fat crap, and add addictive sugar so they can keep selling their garbage-ass food products.

Sly 11-18-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20293616)
Does that include going out? My thought was that since I am restricting myself to these specifics, I am saving on going out. I almost never cook so I am surprised that people can live on less. Are carbs cheap? Do you eat the same thing all week long?

Example: I love to order Jimmy Johns sandwich and chips. $11 after tip. Add a cookie and 66% of my daily budget would be gone, and I have drink water with it.

Not sure how you guys can do it. A bottle of wine is $10 at least where i live. Friends come over, we have wine and then go out to dinner and I have spent $50-100.

You get Jimmy John's, chips, and a cookie, and now want to crash diet?

You are going to need to change your habits across the board. :-)

Learn to cook. You'll save even more money, you'll eat much better, you'll eat much healthier, and what lady doesn't like a guy that cooks?

John-ACWM 11-18-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20291912)
I make my own dressing. Check it out if you like. Really good with a spinach salad, pinenuts, chopped protein of choice (chicken breast, tuna steak, salmon fillet are my favorite,) and craisins.

1/3 cup red wine vinegar
2/3 cup extra virgin olive oil
1 teaspoon minced garlic
crushed black pepper
shake well for each usage

Tastes better, cheaper, healthier than anything you'll buy at the store.

Wrote it down, will try it, thanks :thumbsup

NatalieMojoHost 11-18-2014 08:44 AM

hehe
 
Reminded me of that saying:

"Refraining from junk, fatty, sweet and salty food will make your face look thinner, but sadder."

dicknipples 11-18-2014 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20291011)
not enough fats, thats why you are hungry all the time, and thats why this isn't a long term solution to being healthy. organs need fats, brain needs fats.. You mostly burn muscle and proteins on a low fat diet which is unhealthy as it gets. Even if you want to do it with nuts and seeds instead it all works, fish too.

hey rochard? what happens when you stop 'biking' 20 miles a day? you swell up... diet is 85% and exercise only helps maintain when it comes to fat loss... diet does not have to be lowering calories, there are better options.

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20291031)
I tend to think of it as low carb versus low fat as I eat beef in there. Also when I enter into my MyFitnessPal, it shows 26% fat for the day versus a goal of 30%. The carbs are way low.

And yes no one would want to live on this diet. It is a crash to get you to where you want to be quickly.

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20291379)
if you're hungry as fuck then you're probably eating too far under your maintenance calories. You're training your body to digest its own muscle.

And people should stop being scared of fat. Fat isn't what makes you fat. Carbs make you fat.

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20292961)
i went from about 25%+ bf to around 12% in about 40 days doing very low carb and high fat 65/30/5 with minimal exercise and wasn't starving myself in the least. Obviously exercise speeds things up as well.

you need fats every day, not once every few days. Like i said, nuts and seeds are fine for in betweens, don't have to do it with cheese and bacon.

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20293619)
Did you blend a few diet ideas together or is there one plan that you sort of followed. I am up for a change on some of this as it gets monotonous.

mmm dat low carb high fat goodness... Down 70 pounds in 10 months. Plus never hungry, and $22/day haha? Only if I go to whole foods.

slapass 11-18-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20293696)
You get Jimmy John's, chips, and a cookie, and now want to crash diet?

You are going to need to change your habits across the board. :-)

Learn to cook. You'll save even more money, you'll eat much better, you'll eat much healthier, and what lady doesn't like a guy that cooks?

What has happened is I did this diet a few years ago. I lost weight but over time it came back. Repeat.

Then I thought well lets not go through this. Make some changes and focus. Pretty much have kept a constant weight. Then changed ladies in my life, going out, traveling, living it up. Well the small changes quickly were forgotten, and I got out of hand.

So I was running 190-200 lbs as a long term weight (205 caused the concern). Now with working out etc, I thought maybe a 185-190 range with a better physique is doable. So crashing down to that weight and then add back in the small changes to keep it there.

And crashing is maybe a misnomer as I have/had 60 days to drop the 15 lbs. A bit quick but not crazy.

I cut out the Mt Dew and that has helped over the years but added in vodka/redbull so not so good there. hahahah

slapass 11-18-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dicknipples (Post 20293777)
mmm dat low carb high fat goodness... Down 70 pounds in 10 months. Plus never hungry, and $22/day haha? Only if I go to whole foods.

I don't want to reinvent the wheel or learn too much about this. yes I am lazy. Any book, author, plan etc you can share?

dicknipples 11-18-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20293820)
I don't want to reinvent the wheel or learn too much about this. yes I am lazy. Any book, author, plan etc you can share?

LCHF for Beginners - DietDoctor.com

bronco67 11-18-2014 10:40 AM

To add some extra fat to your diet, drink bulletproof coffee. It's just your coffee with a tablespoon of grass fed unsalted butter and some coconut oil, which has MCT's(medium chain triglycerides). Eating less carbs is easy. Just avoid sugar and bread.

Eschaton 11-18-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20293820)
I don't want to reinvent the wheel or learn too much about this. yes I am lazy. Any book, author, plan etc you can share?

It's called the Ketogenic diet.

Ketogenic diet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

loreen 11-18-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20293875)
To add some extra fat to your diet, drink bulletproof coffee

Doing that, loving it :thumbsup

slapass 11-18-2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eschaton (Post 20293927)

A bit extreme for me. Would be cool to try it for a month and rip down the fat.

Edit: Other applications is a pretty cool read.

dicknipples 11-18-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20293964)
A bit extreme for me. Would be cool to try it for a month and rip down the fat.

Edit: Other applications is a pretty cool read.

Extreme it is not. You can do keto without being extreme. Just up your g of carb intake. Just be conscious of what you eat.

romeo22 11-18-2014 02:27 PM

losing weight by starving your body isnt clever move. excising is the right wait for it

slapass 11-18-2014 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by romeo22 (Post 20294077)
losing weight by starving your body isnt clever move. excising is the right wait for it

Not starving. I can eat as much as I want. I am just taking out carbs for the most part. Also continuing to exercise everyday.

"Because of the risk of complications during ketogenic diet initiation, most centres begin the diet under close medical supervision in hospital."

Edit: I do feel like I am starving so maybe. And today was beef so higher fat for lunch.

Elli 11-18-2014 07:40 PM

I don't understand all this love for the chicken breast. It's the driest, most flavourless cut. Give me a skin-on, bone-in thigh anyday!

dyna mo 11-18-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat (Post 20292223)
Its not zero carbs. :)
Its low carb and probably less then 20 grams of carbs a day which is good.

I have been doing low carb, low fat the last 2.5 months.
I dropped 15 kilo and never felt hungry.

no, low carb isn't less than 20 carbs a day.

look up the difference between low carb and no carb diets

congrats on your 15 kilo loss, i lost 40 pounds on a true no carb/ketogenic diet with exercise and cut my bodyfat down to under 7% at 47 years old.

under 20g of carbs, ESPECIALLY when those carbs are brocolli/vegetables, is a zero carb diet.

:)

TeenCat 11-18-2014 07:58 PM

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slapass 11-19-2014 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat (Post 20294441)
i cant wait to be old, i will find all the best informations here on gfy :)

You have to admit, you can get some good ideas quickly. But "good" is relative.

mybadass 11-19-2014 06:40 AM

uraghhhhhhh, not tasty, is it?

slapass 01-14-2015 02:45 PM

Update: down 16 lbs and maintained it through the holidays. I still avoid carbs but not fanatically. It has pretty much been easy and painless for the most part.

bronco67 01-14-2015 02:49 PM

If you feel like you're starving yourself then your losing the wrong kind of weight....muscle. Eat at (or a little below) your maintenance level and focus on building muscle. The fat will take care of itself.

When you lose weight on a severe calorie restriction, you're training your system to be a fat storage depot. Put on muscle and you'll be a fat burning machine.


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