Stereotypes exist for a reason. If they weren't more right than wrong, our brains wouldn't use them.

If i called 911 and told them a 12 year old Hasidic jew was running around the playground with a gun, i'd likely get arrested first for a prank call. You think that's racist? Or a simple reflection of an obvious reality?

Besides, pretty fucking obvious where the problem is.. The kid did have a guy. He was told to raise his hands... instead, he went for the gun. That is some Grade A shitty parenting, as has been pointed out already.

Don't that teach that in school? When the police order you to do something, you do it.

The kid had a bb gun. A 911 caller said he was pointing it at people and it could be fake but wasn't sure. What if the kid is deaf or something?

In a hostage situation the police don't get close enough to feel endangered. Doesn't make sense to put yourself in danger and then feel the need to shoot someone because your life is in danger. No time to stand back and negotiate or wait for backup. "Let's get next to him and see what happens". Fuck it, they're within their rights to shoot first.

No No... not at all. If you don't let someone shoot first if they are black and you're not black, then you can't be right no matter what. No other facts are required.

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I don't know the race of people involved. Just think police are too scared and over aggressive in general. Their tactics could use some change but that's as far as I am concerned.

Again my unpopular comment about the "victim" almost always does something very stupid to begin the chain of events proves its self.

I get the bad parenting thing now. They didn't teach him to be smart enough to not point a gun at people and expect to live.

You're right about the kid doing stupid things. But, the cops need to work smarter as well.

Yesterday in Florida 2 cops show up to a 911 call about a house on fire and get ambushed and shot by the homeowner hiding in front yard bushes. Now every cop in that city will be answering calls with his hand on his holster.

the punishment for being a stupid 12 year old kid is death? Come on man...

the punishment for a 12 year old having bad parents is also death? Are we really that "pull the ladder up, I'm alright Jack" these days?

And quit ignoring stats while we're at it?

Damn. They must all have reason to be scared. I don't know what can be done about it.

then aren't cops as dumb as us mortals who think that every cop is a bad cop thanks to some youtube videos?

I'm not saying nothing is seriously wrong here, but the only option was really death? Sorry, I can't buy that. That's a cop-out, if you'll excuse the phrase, on the officers involved actually doing some thinking of their own in this particular situation.

Cops respond to call of man with gun, their adrenaline kicks in and look what happens. Not defending cops but couple the mindset of someone wanting the job in the first place then putting them in certain positions and the results shouldn't be a surprise.

if a cop's first thought when attending a call about a kid somewhere is 'some guy started a fire elsewhere some other day and opened fire so we better not take any chances', I'd say that cop is a bit of a fucking tool.

now I get ya, and this I can agree with. though apparently the call was about a kid, with what was 'probably a toy', but yeah, I hear what you're saying.

Like my post below says, only certain types of people apply for jobs as cops in the first place. No one normal wants to be a cop in todays fucked up cities. The fucked up cities have determined who wants to be a cop in the first place ... vicious circle.

Looking at the macho pumped up cops I see everyday makes me wonder what percentage are hyped up steroid users.

Seriously.

Factual truth will always be unpopular amongst those with an agenda.

these stats?
Killings By Police in Utah Outpacing Gang, Drug, Child-Abuse, and Spousal Homicides | The Free Thought Project

Maybe they didn't know what the caller said or maybe this kid was big and tall.

Those guys probably hear lots of horror stories. Some of their mindsets seem to be 'they don't pay me enough to take chances so I'm shooting first since I'm within my rights'.

No, responding to crime in areas where a large percentage of the population have criminal records and confronting people doing stupid things.

They are keeping the peace by committing more murders than criminals.

Here's another contributing factor, the amount of cops that our government spent large amounts of money training to be gunslingers.

"So it's natural that many military veterans seek employment in police ranks when they rejoin the civilian workforce. That's what is happening right now in numbers unseen since the closing days of the Vietnam War. The result is a job market flooded with well-qualified police officer candidates who served in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Military Vets Joining Law Enforcement - Article - POLICE Magazine

Guess how trained combat vets might handle many situations. Plus the whole gung-ho attitude that they bring to a police department, "us vs them"

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It was a stupid move the kid made, but he was a KID. Kids do stupid things. That's why they can't drive until they are 16, can't join the military until 18, can't drink until 21, and so on. At no time should police be firing at a child, gun or no gun. They should be better trained and better prepared for such situations. What happened to rubber bullets, sandbag shot guns, and other non lethal weapons the police have?

Tragic. It seems there are too many trigger happy police these days. It's going to all blow up in their faces eventually.

And if it was a real gun, and he shot little Sally on the playground because the cops were there and it was his last chance, you would complain about the cop not using force...

No, you still would of said it wasn't pointed at the cop, so no shoot.

Could of used Mace... Or a taser... Yeah, fuck it.

Why did the 911 Dis batch even put the call to the Police, it was "probably" a TOY... Duh, prank call, the teachers should of handled it...

LOL

For fucks sakes, you would of done 1 of 2 things.
1 Shit your pants when the kid reached for the gun.
2 Shot the kid so you and all the other people could go home safe...

If the cop was "scared" of getting shot, wait until he tries to sleep at night for the next 10 to 15 years. He just shot a child with a toy gun. That's scary.

imo common sense says you wait to hear a gunshot in this situation. I think we can assume that they were behind their cars for protection, wearing vests, and that any other children were cleared away at this point. If I'm a cop, and it's a child on a playground, I'm not shooting until I hear real gunshots.

Sadly, many police departments are underfunded and don't have that equipment. A friend of mine is a cop and the department he works for only got the shotguns that shoot the less-lethal rounds about 4 years ago and they got tazers about 2 years ago. There are many police departments that don't have either.

This doesn't mean that they should just open fire on anyone, but I just wanted to point out that in many departments less-lethal options aren't available.

I wish there were some kind of video or eye witness account of this situation. Maybe there is and we just haven't seen it. In most cases where a gun may be in play the cops are trained to use their cars as cover. If they had their cars as cover they had no real excuse to shoot this kid. They could have drawn on him and if he pulled a gun out and shot they could have taken him down ASAP. If there are no cars for cover (or there are others around that are in danger) the situation changes.

In many cases they are not trained to just let a guy shoot before they shoot him. Imagine if it were a real gun and the guy pulled it out and got a shot off and hat shot killed an innocent bystander. The cops would get hammered for not acting fast enough.

Sadly, many of these situations are situations where the police likely can't win no matter what the outcome.

I would have liked to have seen a video as well.. If the kid seen officers pointing guns at him yelling at him and he suddenly decided to point the gun at them then he was a moron. It's also possible he went to put the gun down and got shot anyway just for reacting too fast like the black dude that got shot for reaching for his wallet. Either way I'd have to agree with the bad parenting. You dont let kids walk around with airsoft guns in a city playground.They are made to look like the real thing.

I think airsoft should not be sold if they look so authentic...why not make them a special colour ot emit a signal or something

Most guns of this type come with a flourescent orange tip on the barrel, but i believe someone said the kid had removed it.

Well if they are real enough to fool a trained police officer, then i do not think they should be sold to kids. Or they need to be coloured flourescent green or purple or something.

It's a 12 year old feral black thug who has been taught by his parents to hate whitey, be violent, and that he can do anything he wants. I'd shoot him too. Society at large has been IMPROVED -- GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE.

Lets see:

- past the age of knowledge of right and wrong (age 6-8)
- unsupervised in public space
- has removed orange safety tip indicating toy
- is pointing gun object at people
- is intentionally frightening people
- is commanded by uniformed police to put gun object down
- points gun object at police
- police in fear for selves and others in park
- police fire

Fuck YOU, liberal trash. Your pity party for criminal Blacks is repugnant.

Just a few weeks ago a Black 12 year old stabbed to death a little white boy at a playground. The Black boy can offer no discernible reason for his behavior - he did not know the victim, he had no fight with the victim, just walked up and stabbed him to death. The media all but ignored this hideous event.

Watch the Jewmedia make a martyr of this 'baby in diapers shot to death by maniacal crazed whitey popo out to murder Blacks', blasting it for months across America's TV sets for dopes like you to suck on. That is, unless they find out one of these cops who fired happens to also be Black.

and if you took my post out of context you'd reply with a dumb fuck post like the one above :winkwink:

This is part of the overall problem, obviously, and lends itself to everyone just passing the buck to circumstances x, y, and z. We can achieve some pretty spectacular things, and have done, and continue to do so, but a 1st world country can't solve the situation where instant death is the 'only' route in a scenario like this :upsidedow

its an obvious truth but it doesn't justify the actions in any way. we can't devolve as a society into shrugging our shoulders when a kid gets killed for doing something stupid. making mistakes, pushing limits and getting to trouble is built into the brains of kids. its what they are supposed to do, some do it more stupidly than others but it doesn't mean we should not care when an injustice is done to them.

something to note about what society as become, so fear based and certain areas so crime ridden that someone calls the cops for a 12 year old playing with a toy gun. when i was a kid there was no orange marker on toy guns. my friends and i would walk down the street with our BB guns and no one would of though to call the cops. kids are now expected to be as rational minded as adults now.

yeah. kids never kill people

You make a lot of assumptions. It does come with a bright orange tip so cops know it is a toy; someone took it off.

I doubt many 12 year old ghetto kids have the money to buy one; dumb parents gave it to him or he stole it most likely

Blaming the victim has become very popular now.