"Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict"

The historical record indicates that nonviolent campaigns have been more successful than armed campaigns in achieving ultimate goals in political struggles, even when used against similar opponents and in the face of repression. Nonviolent campaigns are more likely to win legitimacy, attract widespread domestic and international support, neutralize the opponent’s security forces, and compel loyalty shifts among erstwhile opponent supporters than are armed campaigns, which enjoin the active support of a relatively small number of people, offer the opponent a justification for violent counterattacks, and are less likely to prompt loyalty shifts and defections. An original, aggregate data set of all known major nonviolent and violent resistance campaigns from 1900 to 2006 is used to test these claims. These dynamics are further explored in case studies of resistance campaigns in Southeast Asia that have featured periods of both violent and nonviolent resistance.

Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict - Harvard - Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs

Are you actually this stupid?

OK, let me explain what I did to you here.

I accused the prosecutor of not wanting to prosecute the case by pretending that I fucked up by thinking a prosecutor would do that in this case.

Got it.

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A prosecutor would never bring this case to trial, as its not winnable. Even Jeffery Tobin of CNN, had to agree after he went through what was presented to the grand jury. He said though he agreed its easy to get an indictment if wanted, its also his duty to not bring forth a case to a grand jury, that they know they can't win. And Tobin said there is no jury that would convict. And he was solidly in the Brown camp until he went through the evidence. Specifically the forensics, and the 6 or so witnesses that were never in the media, that he didn't know about, but pretty much backed up the forensics and Wilson's account of events.

As for the DOJ bringing a case, that's just never going to happen. Their burden of proof for a civil rights violation is WAY higher than a regular trial. They have to prove that Brown was killed because he was black, and that Wilson sought him out for this reason. That is never going to happen in this case. There is just nothing in the evidence to suggest this was the case. Especially since the most vocal witnesses at the start, were proved to be wrong based on forensics, but many also recanted and changed their testimonies and facts came out, such as the autopsy.

I could see the Brown family trying a civil case though. Don't think they win, but that is at least plausible.

A high burden of proof is not an obstacle to the DOJ pursuing a civil rights matter.

In fact, if I recall, the DOJ has a history of prosecuting civil rights cases simply to get more facts out to the general public, not necc to win. not to mention an eric holder led DOJ and his chummy president friend who doesn't hesitate to weigh in on these race matters could easily chat to make a case happen here.

Oh and don't forget the justice dept can also take over that PD and implement the changes needed.

which is more to my point, I'm not necc interested in this case specifically, or punishing this cop specifically. I am more interested in getting changes implement to curb the systemic issue of police shootings, brutality, power, etc. that is plaguing the good ole USA today.

the DOJ is charged with being responsible to correct those things and has intervened in several police departments, albuquerque for instance.

If that's your full understanding of the situation - you're part of the problem.

They likely will be arresting many looters. I doubt they will arrest Brown. Doing so would likely be more trouble than it is worth. I would imagine over the next few weeks as they go through various videos and identify looters they will be arresting them.

Wow, black people riot again in America?

10 race/black riots since 1980, your point?

Mass racial violence in the United States since 1980

I pretended to fuck up :1orglaugh Life long excuse of a failure :1orglaugh

Got it :thumbsup

Just out of curiosity has there been any Indian, Asian or Latino riots since 1980's?

You're curious, I'm sure you can find the data. In fact, there's prolly a ton out there exploring that very topic, why not gather some of it and contribute it here? :thumbsup

I can examine a bullet wound and tell you 18,000 stories of how it got there; but a good eye witness is only going to tell you one story over and over again.

Certain wounds can be determined to have caused death and therefore would most likely be
the last shots fired;
but after that, it's just pulling shit out of one's ass to form a scenario of when and how each shot was fired.

If I took a human like manikin and posed it several times to shoot it as if I was in a struggle with it and recorded it on video tape; then I'd like to give it to 10 coroners to
tell me what happened to the manikin.
Not a single one of their scenarios would match to the video tape.

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Just because the eye witness tells you the same story over and over against doesn't mean it is accurate. There have been a lot of studies that show eye witnesses, especially in violent crimes, get things wrong. They may believe they are correct, but in reality they aren't

The innocence project says that in 72% of the cases where DNA overturned a conviction the reason the person was convicted was from an eyewitness misidentifying the person or the action.

In a perfect world if you have multiple people all telling you the same thing there is a good chance that is how it went down.

If it were me and my freedom was on the line and I had to choose between science and an eyewitness I would take the science.

Axl Rose was arrested for inciting a riot in St. Louis and all he did was go home early.

I don't know... I'd let him off the hook. The mom had just found out that the cop wouldn't be held responsible, and she started crying. Then he got up and held her for about 30 seconds or so, then he lost it of course. It's got to be insanely hard to lose a child, and to watch the person you love cry her eyes out after an already insane 6 months or so can easily push anyone over the edge.

Good point

Forensics. Do they teach it in "black" schools. Southern, Grambling, Morgan???

White guy. Doesn't count.

But that would be racist. Stats are racist in general. :2 cents:

If you look deeper you will see that the persecution of Mr. Rose was the result of the anti-Ginger bias that permeates our society.

Save a bird but burn a city down. Jesus fucking Christ you're stupid.