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DamageX 12-01-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20307950)
and every single primary christian primary school in the area I lived in but lets focus on a few muslims :2 cents:

Yep, let's. How many of those Christian groups have as their primary goal to impose religious law from the dark ages on the entire world?

You seem to consider yourself enlightened, having lived in Bosnia, London and all over the Middle East. When was it you lived in London again, 15-20 years ago? You mentioned that you had no freedom of religion, since you were living in Kensington and going to school elsewhere wasn't an option. When's the last time you visited East London? When's the last time you were outside central London? Or hell, outside Kensington? Have you been to Luton lately?

You're saying Robinson pulled that figure (2000) out of his ass. Be that as it may, but do YOU have any data to disprove that?

You're basing all your arguments on YOUR OWN experiences, whch I'd argue is nowhere near a statistically valid sample. In fact if all the places in the Middle East you lived in were upscale neighborhoods similar to Kensington, which you rarely left, if ever, then I'd argue that in reality you know fuck all about Islam.

pimpmaster9000 12-01-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308036)
Yep, let's. How many of those Christian groups have as their primary goal to impose religious law from the dark ages on the entire world?

I was actually accused of blasphemy, I shit you not, the headmaster asked the secretary to come and witness my corporal punishment, I got "the cane" :1orglaugh in all fairness I laughed about it and did not get hit hard
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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308036)
You mentioned that you had no freedom of religion, since you were living in Kensington and going to school elsewhere wasn't an option.

lets just say if you did not believe in christ, you would have a bad time :2 cents:
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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308036)
When's the last time you visited East London? When's the last time you were outside central London? Or hell, outside Kensington? Have you been to Luton lately?

was a BMX fanatic spent most of my time in skate parks all over london...had more foreign friends than british...brixton was the "bad part of town" back then...
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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308036)
You're saying Robinson pulled that figure (2000) out of his ass. Be that as it may, but do YOU have any data to disprove that?

common sense dictates that if you had 2000 terrorists there would be daily attacks? maybe 2000 people who want shairah law but you have 3000 peruvian flute players as well (ok I dont know the exact number of peruvian flute players)
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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308036)
You're basing all your arguments on YOUR OWN experiences, whch I'd argue is nowhere near a statistically valid sample. In fact if all the places in the Middle East you lived in were upscale neighborhoods similar to Kensington, which you rarely left, if ever, then I'd argue that in reality you know fuck all about Islam.

some parts of london, like some parts of many other places in the world are troubled with sporadic racial violence...the rich parts of any country are full of "wonderful" people and the slums have more than their fair share of assholes, but this goes for any part of the world...

the real enemy is the picture we have of islam in our heads like its some "we are out to get all christians" sort of cult...thats a load of bullshit, there are just as many, if not more, white power assclowns but we, the white and of christian descent people, certainly do not share their racist views just like a huuuge part of the muslim population wants nothing at all to do with any sort of violence...

NatalieK 12-01-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 20307608)
You are an immigrant in another country no?

Is your business registered in Spain, are you both paying social security there (500+ euros a month for the 2 of you)

I claim no benefits, I earn from our business of which we are registering in Spain, you have between 6months & 1 year to do this.

Although, maybe another thread, for my partnership business, I do need either my partner or I to talk to someone about what is tax deductables in Spain.

My car, a skyline GTR is also needing to be registered here in Spain, of which again, not needed until I have full spanish citizenship. This all takes time.

I do believe Tony Blair is not talking about a person from the EU, he is talking about refugees from countries further away, expecting the social benefits that I do not expect from another country :2 cents:

NatalieK 12-01-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 20307702)
In Saudi Arabia maybe but not in Dubai.

Apologies for my geographical error, the same goes though :thumbsup

DamageX 12-01-2014 12:30 PM

So wait, you were going to skate parks in all parts of London? But you had no freedom of religion, since you lived in Kensington and going to a school elsewhere wasn't an option because... you couldn't take a bus?

Your common sense dictates that if there were 2000 terrorists there'd be attacks daily. Mine dictates that there are significantly more than that in places like Gaza, yet you don't have daily attacks there.

Radical Islam isn't a "we are out to get all Christians" sort of cult. It's a "we are out to get everybody" cult.

I don't condone racism, bigotry or any sort of white power crap. But if I were to choose between two evils, I'd choose the latter one. At least those people don't want to limit EVERYBODY's freedoms.

pimpmaster9000 12-01-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308107)
So wait, you were going to skate parks in all parts of London? But you had no freedom of religion, since you lived in Kensington and going to a school elsewhere wasn't an option because... you couldn't take a bus?

Your common sense dictates that if there were 2000 terrorists there'd be attacks daily. Mine dictates that there are significantly more than that in places like Gaza, yet you don't have daily attacks there.

Radical Islam isn't a "we are out to get all Christians" sort of cult. It's a "we are out to get everybody" cult.

I don't condone racism, bigotry or any sort of white power crap. But if I were to choose between two evils, I'd choose the latter one. At least those people don't want to limit EVERYBODY's freedoms.

I was not going to go to another school because of morning mass and extremist views against atheists from commie countries...plenty of churches exist in muslim countries as well as synagogues...nobody is out to get anybody...you are hypnotized by this stupid video and see the entire muslim population as "invasion of the body snatchers" :1orglaugh they really do not give 2 shits about you, most of them are really nice people...

I remember when white people used to have "guardian angels" urban patrols...nobody protested back then..the shariah dudes basically talk about religion and clean up the hood from hooker service ads...whats the big deal?

DamageX 12-01-2014 12:57 PM

So you weren't going to go to another school, but you claim you didn't experience freedom of religion because you were attending a private one? Yep, that sure is some hardcore oppression right there. :)

BTW, it just dawned on me why you're taking this position.Your parents are/were Muslim, right? Or at the very least your fellow countrymen where you were born/grew up.

Anyway, I see you still haven't watched the other two documentaries I posted. Plus you're avoiding quite a few of my questions. But it's OK, from now on I'll just dismiss any argument from you as stuff you pulled out of your ass. :)

dyna mo 12-01-2014 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308149)
But it's OK, from now on I'll just dismiss any argument from you as stuff you pulled out of your ass. :)

Join the club! the guy is a complete anti-west dipshit. You gave it a respectful try though.

baggg 12-01-2014 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20308127)
I was not going to go to another school because of morning mass and extremist views against atheists from commie countries...plenty of churches exist in muslim countries as well as synagogues...nobody is out to get anybody...you are hypnotized by this stupid video and see the entire muslim population as "invasion of the body snatchers" :1orglaugh they really do not give 2 shits about you, most of them are really nice people...

I remember when white people used to have "guardian angels" urban patrols...nobody protested back then..the shariah dudes basically talk about religion and clean up the hood from hooker service ads...whats the big deal?

You are a special kind of retard.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20308127)
I remember when white people used to have "guardian angels" urban patrols...nobody protested back then.

White people guaring the streets of a white country,nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20308127)
the shariah dudes basically talk about religion and clean up the hood from hooker service ads...whats the big deal?

The goatfuckers were harassing people on the streets,sharia and shitlam does not belong in Europe.You are on an adult site and complaining about hookers?Really?




slapass 12-01-2014 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20306601)
OK.

Currently more or less real scenario: black ghettos. You show your poor white ass there and you will get into trouble. How is this that much different from some shariah ghetto?

Option two, no ghettos. Bunch of shariah guys tries to force you to do/ not to do something and you start a gun battle with them, and maybe invite your neighbours too. Somehow I don't see very happy ending with this scenario either.

Best option: not having shariah guys.
Second best option: letting police and army to do their job, while you can play shooting games with Xbox.

Black ghettos are more of a thing of the past. The US had this mortgage thing where we used money from wall Street to Iceland to fix up our inner cities and never paid it back. Oops.

clickity click 12-01-2014 01:45 PM

I think Tower Hamlets is Sharia controlled. I believe the MET also have powers to enforce as well.

aka123 12-01-2014 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20308171)
Black ghettos are more of a thing of the past. The US had this mortgage thing where we used money from wall Street to Iceland to fix up our inner cities and never paid it back. Oops.

That money was used to fix something? Or to buy houses ready to be demolished? My current information represents more the latter option.

pimpmaster9000 12-01-2014 02:05 PM

@ damage x

the point is I went to a private school in what I consider to be the most culturally developed country in the world, in an elite part of town (provided by my government, no merit of mine) and was "a victim of racial and religious persecution"..I come from an ex commie state where religion is the same as batman: a nice story...I have nothing to do with islam or buddhism or any other religion...you are very wrong with your view of islam...they simply do not give a shit about you :2 cents:

bagg

a special kind of retard whos education costs more than your house :1orglaugh
http://wttg.images.worldnow.com/images/1469734_G.jpg

keep in mind all the shariah do is talk about islam and take down prostitute ads...I have nothing against adult, I am a studio boss and cam affiliate and make $ from adult...the shariah patrol taking down illegal ads for legal prostitution is completely ok...it is morally acceptable and you have no rational counter argument...you would not mind a white person doing it but you are a bigot and you do not really present any arguments, just your opinion...

if you have not been offended by anything then you truly do not live in a free society...the shariah patrol, even though they look like ancient goat herders with "hare krishna" caliber babbling, are exercising their freedom of religion just like hare krishna or peruvian flute players...you are the oppressive one :2 cents::thumbsup

DamageX 12-01-2014 02:11 PM

@crucifissio

They may or may not give a shit about me. But the fact remains that Sharia-based Islam is incompatible with democracy. Much more so than the KKK's agenda.

pimpmaster9000 12-01-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308235)
@crucifissio

They may or may not give a shit about me. But the fact remains that Sharia-based Islam is incompatible with democracy. Much more so than the KKK's agenda.

shairah based islam in saudi arabia or yemen yes...but the shariah law is really not what you think...it is just a name like "the royal opera"...you are a monarchy but do not really get orders from the queen but from a court or whatever...they have shariah...it has little to do with beheadings and stoning people to death its only in jemen and saudi arabia that the principle is abused...just like the crusades in christianity, nowhere in the bible does it say "go kill arabs"...

this ISIS crap and the extremist muslims are not getting bigger...its our fear, that the media is serving to us by the folk lift with sensationalistic journalism and corporate foreign policy after-effects...

shariah has nothing at all against democracy..its more of a moral law/common sense/hygiene tips for 3rd world dudes kind of thing...

rogueteens 12-01-2014 02:30 PM

crucifissio, seriously, are you for real? I mean, come-on, this HAS to be a master-troll effort. the views you are expressing makes me wonder if you can breathe and walk at the same time if you are for real.

Jel 12-01-2014 02:40 PM

crucifissio - what you saw 20 years ago is wildly different to how it is now. Wildly different. As you rightly say, most muslims couldn't care a fuck about damage-x or myself, but the ones who DO care - that number is growing, and they are the ones who as usual, fuck it up for the majority.

here's Luton:



I'm about the most liberal live and let live person there is, I have no problem with people of other races, religions, sexuality, or anything. Even I'm not so blind as to think this isn't a problem though.

pimpmaster9000 12-01-2014 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 20308250)
crucifissio, seriously, are you for real? I mean, come-on, this HAS to be a master-troll effort. the views you are expressing makes me wonder if you can breathe and walk at the same time if you are for real.

well if you consider my views of muslims being normal people and the extremism crap blown out of proportion a master troll then you either have lived in the muslim world like I have and travelled the world and seen and met people, and had a substantially different experience, or you do not know what you are talking about to begin with...

@jel

your video shows a muslim demonstration in response to a terrorists wife being arrested...in all fairness, muslim terrorists do not exactly seek counsil with their wife about their terrorist activities, and although arresting family members may be of key importance in an investigation, common sense dictates that she probably had nothing at all to do with the actions of her husband...americans protest against michael brown on the streets as well does not make them looters or terrorists...they are an isolated and satanized community who are peacefully protesting, unlike their american counterparts...

its no different than when I lived there only IRA was the flavour of the day...

edit: I have yet to see a video where more than 50 muslim people are demonstrating against the USA and say 10-20 people demonstrating for shariah law or whatever...the comic convention in london tops 110.000 people who like batman or superman, why do the allah guys get such hate? :2 cents:

DamageX 12-01-2014 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20308249)
shairah based islam in saudi arabia or yemen yes...but the shariah law is really not what you think...it is just a name like "the royal opera"...you are a monarchy but do not really get orders from the queen but from a court or whatever...they have shariah...it has little to do with beheadings and stoning people to death its only in jemen and saudi arabia that the principle is abused...just like the crusades in christianity, nowhere in the bible does it say "go kill arabs"...

this ISIS crap and the extremist muslims are not getting bigger...its our fear, that the media is serving to us by the folk lift with sensationalistic journalism and corporate foreign policy after-effects...

shariah has nothing at all against democracy..its more of a moral law/common sense/hygiene tips for 3rd world dudes kind of thing...

Maybe you should read up on Sharia law. It doesn't seem like you're familiar with what it contains.

And as Jel is pointing out and I already mentioned above, stop by Luton. You may not remain as tolerant as you claim to be currently.

DamageX 12-01-2014 03:31 PM

Forgot to mention. That peaceful Sharia goat herder, the one calling about the escort ads in the Nightline piece? He did jail time. For peacefully holding up a "Behead the infidels" sign at a rally. Among other things.

pimpmaster9000 12-01-2014 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308289)
Maybe you should read up on Sharia law. It doesn't seem like you're familiar with what it contains.

And as Jel is pointing out and I already mentioned above, stop by Luton. You may not remain as tolerant as you claim to be currently.

reading about the ten commandments and abiding to them are two very different things...just like shariah...it is just moral guidelines...shariah laws are one thing on paper and another in real life in all muslim countries except saudi arabia and yemen...

as for your lutton argument I had brixton in the neighbourhood it was full of pissed off black people back then...i bet kensington is full of rich arabs and russians and supercars now :1orglaugh

there is no impeding muslim invasion going on...no shariah master plan...

DamageX 12-01-2014 03:41 PM

None of the ten commandments dictate that women are half the value of men, that people should be killed because of dri king alcohol or womdn should be publically whipped if they accuse a man of rape but don't have the testimony of four other man to back up those accusations. If you were to follow the ten commandments literally, what kind of evil do you think would come out of "Though shalt not murder"?

As for moral guidelines, Sharia is much more than that. It's the law of Allah, passed down to men through the prophet Mohammed.

jimmycooper 12-01-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308336)
None of the ten commandments dictate that women are half the value of men, that people should be killed because of dri king alcohol or womdn should be publically whipped if they accuse a man of rape but don't have the testimony of four other man to back up those accusations. If you were to follow the ten commandments literally, what kind of evil do you think would come out of "Though shalt not murder"?

As for moral guidelines, Sharia is much more than that. It's the law of Allah, passed down to men through the prophet Mohammed.

Hey, I watched those two documentaries you posted earlier in the thread. Good stuff! :thumbsup

pimpmaster9000 12-01-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20308336)
None of the ten commandments dictate that women are half the value of men, that people should be killed because of dri king alcohol or womdn should be publically whipped if they accuse a man of rape but don't have the testimony of four other man to back up those accusations. If you were to follow the ten commandments literally, what kind of evil do you think would come out of "Though shalt not murder"?

As for moral guidelines, Sharia is much more than that. It's the law of Allah, passed down to men through the prophet Mohammed.

it is completely not true about alcohol...I have seen arabs drink alcohol in almost every muslim country...at worst its like weed in western countries, nothing you do in the open...this does not include saudi arabia or jemen...

public whippings of women are only in saudi and yemen...I can not speak for those 2 countries...

here is what shariah law says about rape:
If a woman claims that she has been raped, she does not have to bring any witnesses to prove her claim; her word will be taken as truth without the need of any witnesses whatsoever. And because she claimed she was raped, she will be treated honorably and free of any wrong doing whatsoever. There is absolutely no question of any punishment for her, because she was the innocent party and a victim of the heinous crime committed against her.

it is a snippet taken from islamhelpline.net I do not know them but I know how islamic law works...the punishment for rape for a man is death btw...

Jel 12-01-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20308330)
reading about the ten commandments and abiding to them are two very different things...just like shariah...it is just moral guidelines...shariah laws are one thing on paper and another in real life in all muslim countries except saudi arabia and yemen...

as for your lutton argument I had brixton in the neighbourhood it was full of pissed off black people back then...i bet kensington is full of rich arabs and russians and supercars now :1orglaugh

there is no impeding muslim invasion going on...no shariah master plan...

you're mixing up different things... your experience of brixton and kensington 20 years ago has nothing to do what is happening today. As a Londoner all my life, I can assure you of that. Your viewpoint is like an SEO in 2014 telling everyone that meta tags and keyword stuffing is still relevant. Quite entitled to think that way, but people with actual experience know you are far wide of the mark.

I like most of your posts, and you are an intelligent guy, but trust me when I say you are way off on this one :)

dyna mo 12-01-2014 05:04 PM

HOW SHARIA LAW PUNISHES RAPED WOMEN



Hasan Mahmud

[email protected]



On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang-raped and then sentenced to death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed. This happens in Sharia courts of other countries also. The village Sharia courts in Bangladesh, although illegal, regularly punish raped minor girls and women by flogging and beating them with shoes.[i] In Pakistan similar cases of punishing raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the State.[i] In Pakistan similar cases of punishing raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the State.[ii] Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished many thousands of raped women by long term imprisonment.[iii] It became so chronic that raped women stopped reporting to police.

HOW SHARIA LAW PUNISHES RAPED WOMEN

Jel 12-01-2014 05:08 PM

also, nobody is saying all muslims are extremists, but that doesn't mean there are many muslim extremists, who want extremism in the UK. like I said - you're mixing things up.

crockett 12-01-2014 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20306401)
I see your point. In fact every year more and more of our traditional laws, alcohol in particular, are loosening.

To suddenly have a harsh new broad religious standard set would be something I couldn't put up with.

You should start checking the schools in Texas then.. They pretty much stopped teaching sex education in school and now teach abstinence in it's place. On top of this they also now teach creationism which is not a science mind you but a religious belief, right along side evolution. As if creationism were scientific fact.

dyna mo 12-01-2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20308444)
You should start checking the schools in Texas then.. They pretty much stopped teaching sex education in school and now teach abstinence in it's place. On top of this they also now teach creationism which is not a science mind you but a religious belief, right along side evolution. As if creationism were scientific fact.

why do you insist on misrepresenting things so fucking bad? You do realize abstinence in sex education is a fucking FEDERALLY SUPPORTED education program adopted by many states?

next, and this is the biggie:

In fucking fact, creationism is not a part of the official Texas state curriculum.

come on crockett.

dyna mo 12-01-2014 05:50 PM

context:::::::::

In fact, if it were true that the state of Texas required its public schools to teach both evolution and creationism, that would almost certainly be unconstitutional.

State officials and school officials, though, said there is no Texas law or state education standard requiring the teaching of both. Instead, again, state-education policy requires students to "analyze, evaluate, and critique" the scientific basis for evolution.

crockett 12-01-2014 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20308476)
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In fact, if it were true that the state of Texas required its public schools to teach both evolution and creationism, that would almost certainly be unconstitutional.

State officials and school officials, though, said there is no Texas law or state education standard requiring the teaching of both. Instead, again, state-education policy requires students to "analyze, evaluate, and critique" the scientific basis for evolution.

So you are telling me that the Governor of the great state of Texas and want to be presidential hopeful is lying out his ass in this video? ...or is he just a religious nut job whom happens to be in charge of the 4th most populist state in this country?



Is that just a little white lie or is that a deal breaker? Also, yes they do teach creationism in Texas schools the schools are charter schools and yes they are supplemented by tax dollars. This is how they get "around" the breaking the constitution.

oppoten 12-01-2014 06:08 PM

Muslims aren't the problem. They're not smart enough, and nor are the EDL.

dyna mo 12-01-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20308493)
So you are telling me that the Governor of the great state of Texas and want to be presidential hopeful is lying out his ass in this video?



Is that just a little white lie or is that a deal breaker?

no, I'm telling you that it doesn't matter what rick perry said in a youtube, I posted the actual facts of what is going on.

rick perry can call a duck a cow and it doesn't make the duck a cow.

jimmycooper 12-01-2014 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20308493)
So you are telling me that the Governor of the great state of Texas and want to be presidential hopeful is lying out his ass in this video? ...or is he just a religious nut job whom happens to be in charge of the 4th most populist state in this country?



Is that just a little white lie or is that a deal breaker? Also, yes they do teach creationism in Texas schools the schools are charter schools and yes they are supplemented by tax dollars. This is how they get "around" the breaking the constitution.

It's pretty pathetic that the kid's mom kept telling him.."Ask him why he doesn't believe in science?" It doesn't get much lower than using your own son as a political pawn when he's clearly to young to know what he's saying.

crockett 12-01-2014 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20308497)
no, I'm telling you that it doesn't matter what rick perry said in a youtube, I posted the actual facts of what is going on.

rick perry can call a duck a cow and it doesn't make the duck a cow.

But he's not actually lying.. They do teach creationism in Texas schools. Those schools are charter schools that are federally subsidized. Charter schools were made possible by Bush jr as a way to side step federal guidelines for education while still receiving federal funding.

It just so happens in Texas, they are using the charter school system to teach creationism and by pass the constitutional law against doing so.

So yeah, we have religious nut jobs that are almost as bad as those Muslims weaseling their way into power and changing the laws to push their religious agenda.

dyna mo 12-01-2014 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20308517)
But he's not actually lying.. They do teach creationism in Texas schools. Those schools are charter schools that are federally subsidized. Charter schools were made possible by Bush jr as a way to side step federal guidelines for education while still receiving federal funding.

It just so happens in Texas, they are using the charter school system to teach creationism and by pass the constitutional law against doing so.

So yeah, we have religious nut jobs that are almost as bad as those Muslims weaseling their way into power and changing the laws to push their religious agenda.

I knew you were going to use that bullshit slate article written by a teenager that completely distorts the charter school's curriculum.


here is that charter school's superintendent setting the record straight on that crock of shit opinion piece slate published::::::::::::

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Today, an article appeared on Slate.com entitled, “Texas Public Charter Schools Are Teaching Creationism,” which purports to report the results of one college student’s “investigation into [ResponsiveEd’s] dishonest and unconstitutional science, history, and ‘values’ lessons.” It is the latest article by Slate regarding creationism in Texas public schools. See “Showdown over Science in Texas: Creationists Corrupted State Education Standards and May Push Evolution out of Textbooks.”

Needless to say, we take accusations of dishonest and unconstitutional practices very seriously. Because ResponsiveEd has been entrusted by the public to operate public charter schools, we wanted to take this opportunity to briefly address the most serious accusations made by Slate and welcome further dialogue with you in the coming days.

Science

Slate begins its article by asserting that ResponsiveEd’s science curriculum “both overtly and underhandedly discredit[s] evidence-based science [(i.e., the theory of evolution)] and allow[s] creationism into public-school classrooms.”

Regarding the assertion that ResponsiveEd discredits the theory of evolution, our science curriculum does examine all sides of the scientific evidence relating to the theory of evolution—both for and against—just as we are required to do by the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Biology. In fact, the State of Texas requires all schools, “in all fields of science, [to] analyze, evaluate, and critique scientific explanations . . ., including examining all sides of scientific evidence of those scientific explanations, so as to encourage critical thinking by the student.” 19 TAC § 112.34(c)(3)(A). Ultimately, it is these Texas science standards that Slate wishes to overturn, believing that they “were designed to compromise the teaching of evolution” and provide “a back-door way to enable teachers to attack evolution and inject creationism into the classroom.”

Regarding the assertion that ResponsiveEd improperly “allow[s] creationism into public-school classrooms,” the answer is no. What follows is every reference to creationism contained in ResponsiveEd’s lessons on evolution.

For many years, the answer given [to the question of the origin of life] was fairly standard: most people believed that God created everything. In the mid-1800s, this idea was challenged by men such as Alfred Wallace and Charles Darwin. Their work provided scientists with the theory of evolution by natural selection. This added a new idea to the discussion and gave nonreligious scientists a way to explain the diversity of life on the planet without resorting to creation. . . .


In recent years, these two schools of thought —creationism and evolution—have been at conflict in schools, universities, and scientific circles. Some scientists and educators have attempted to bridge them through ideas such as intelligent design and theistic evolution. However, none of these theories is accepted by every scientist, natural philosopher, or educator. In this Unit, you will be able to review the evidence for the theory of evolution and decide on your own position. You will want to analyze and evaluate the evidence and every statement made in the discussion. . . .


Still, for many, supernatural creation (either by God or some other supernatural power) of the first cell is a more plausible explanation. Some people think aliens brought the first living cell to earth or it came on a meteorite, but that still would not explain how that first living cell on earth came into existence.

There is much research to be done in this area of origins. Until more concrete answers are found, questions on how life originated will continue. . . .


When it comes to the subject of evolution, emotions often run high. Chances are, you might have heard about some of this controversy in the news. Much of this controversy centers on whether other theories on the origins of life besides evolution, such as intelligent design or creationism, should be presented in public schools. . . .

As was explained to Slate last November, ResponsiveEd’s “science curriculum teaches evolution, noting, but not exploring, the existence of competing theories.”

As if to remove any remaining doubt that its readers may have regarding ResponsiveEd’s guilt, Slate boldly asserts that “[o]utright creationism appears in Responsive Ed’s section on the origins of life.” Not only that, Slate explains, “[i]t’s not subtle.” The evidence presented by Slate to support its accusation? “The opening line of the workbook section [on the origins of life], just as the opening line of the Bible, declares, ‘In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.’” For some reason, Slate chooses to not present the quote in context, which would have demonstrated to any objective reader that the curriculum was simply providing examples of competing theories on the origin of life. The entire quote reads as follows:

5. ORIGIN OF LIFE

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In the beginning, a meteorite, with a cell from a faraway galaxy, hit the earth. . . .

In the beginning, aliens visited earth to try a new experiment. The aliens left behind a living cell, with all the capabilities to evolve into life.

In the beginning, free-floating molecules in the primordial seas spontaneously organized to form the first cell.

So far we have looked at natural selection, microevolution and macroevolution, speciation, and other aspects of the theory of evolution. All of these processes involve one form of life changing into another form of life. However, none of these ideas answers the question, “How did life begin in the first place?” Perhaps the more important question is, “How did the first cell come into being?” Remember, in order for something to be alive, it has to have a cell. As we learned in Unit 2, cells are very complex. Even a simple one-celled bacteria is quite complicated. In this Lesson, we will explore some of the theories evolutionary biologists have about the origin of life.

While context may not always be convenient, it is everything.

In summary, ResponsiveEd strongly disagrees with Slate’s implication that the Texas state standards requiring schools to critique and examine all sides of scientific theories—including the theory of evolution—is unconstitutional. We also disagree that any reference to creationism in our science curriculum violates any state or federal law, including the United States Constitution.

come on crockett. again, context.

RummyBoy 12-01-2014 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20308255)

here's Luton:



I'm about the most liberal live and let live person there is, I have no problem with people of other races, religions, sexuality, or anything. Even I'm not so blind as to think this isn't a problem though.

I forgot to add Luton to my list..... Luton (around 30 miles from London if I remember rightly) is basically the Bradford of the south of UK. Its a nice place actually with reasonably good nightclubs and bars. Not my favourite city in the UK or even in my top 10 cities but, you know, you have some kind of movement of extremism there just because it has a high population of muslims....

This isn't such a big deal though. What is happening here? Its one ethnic group marching and saying police go to hell. How is it any different than Ferguson? Hardly surprising that the woman (who comes from a very conservative culture) would say she looks naked. My guess most people find it fearsome because there are lots of people here wearing black and with their faces covered up.

RummyBoy 12-01-2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 20307702)
Your theory though sound is kinda flawed because you aren't required to "cover up and not drink" in Dubai. In Saudi Arabia maybe but not in Dubai.

The Irony is that Dubai has probably less muslims than New York or London.

The bars/clubs down by the Marina are jam packed full of Russian hookers that GRAB you by the testicles - under sharia law, they would be a pile of ashes. Even at Address Bar or Atmosphere in Burj Khalifa.... :1orglaugh

DraX 12-01-2014 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20306351)
Wow Brits, grow some balls and stop this shit before it spreads. Religious law zones?

Brits can not do much else than vote against this.

And on the other hand the media and politicians try to cover up all the negative parts of immigration and tells the same voters to be tolerant.

If you do have the gut to come with any criticism against immgration and islam you are called racist. If that's not sick what is?

Time to open your eyes and stop being sissies!

RazorSharpe 12-02-2014 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20308658)
The Irony is that Dubai has probably less muslims than New York or London.

The bars/clubs down by the Marina are jam packed full of Russian hookers that GRAB you by the testicles - under sharia law, they would be a pile of ashes. Even at Address Bar or Atmosphere in Burj Khalifa.... :1orglaugh

Not really unreasonable in an Emirate that is less populace than the entire city of Edinburgh and by less, I mean less than half!

Then factor in the Dubai governments stance of tolerance of other religions (unlike Saudi Arabia) and also the fact that they have a vast expatriate workforce where circa 85% of said workforce is Asian and things start to make more sense with regards to the disparity of Muslim to other religion ratio.

All indigenous Emirati's however are Muslim or at least they are born Muslim under the law. I've heard stories of a few of them converting to Christianity but almost all of this is very underground.

I'm unsure of the other Emirates but Dubai in particular does not operate under strict Sharia/Islamic law. Their jurisprudence is a mix of Islamic law and civil law with legal codes they have adopted from the West.


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