I don't think anyone can refute that.

The fact of the matter is, It shouldn't have to be that way.... Too bad it is.

In the video it said he suffered a seizure.

Probably would of had one if h e was tazed also.

Could of been a heart attack.

Think the apostasy said pressure on the chest is what caused the death.

I didn't read it yet, heard that on the radio...

about a 10-13 second choke???

Well, GFY says it was the chokehold that killed him, so who are we to argue?

I agree that the guy should have never used a chokehold as, like you said, it is against their policy.

Do you want to know what the police policy is in most situations where for is needed? In a nutshell they are taught a variety of ways to deal with people in different situations, but they are trained that if they feel they are in danger of losing an altercation or they are in (or about to be in) a physical altercation that they likely not be able to win they are authorized to use lethal force.

Now that may not apply to this particular situation, but it is why often cops who kill people don't get charged. They simply have to prove that they were afraid that they were going to lose the fight.

The reason is simple. If the cop gets knocked out the person that knocked them out now has their gun and car and everything in it. They could potentially do a hell of a lot of damage with those.

Under the circumstances, the police officer used excessive force AND a banned subdual maneuver, resulting in the unnecessary death of a civilian. No matter how the guy was acting, chokeholds are not allowed. The officer used one, the guy told him he couldn't breathe, and then died from it. That's the real issue here, and is why they need to fire that officer.

So your contention is that the illegal chokehold had NOTHING to do with his death?

Since you are such a champion of law, justice and truth, what is your opinion that the chokehold that was applied by the cop is against the rules and regulations of their own department?

How come you are always advocating that civilians must abide by the rules but a cop that applied an illegal chokehold is absolvable?

Did you see the video?

He was selling cigarettes - A single cig for 50 cents. That was his only crime.
He put his hands up right away.
He had knees in his back and his face pushed into the sidewalk while in a choke hold.
The Choke hold is illegal in New York.
He said 8 times that he couldn't breathe.

Those cops over reacted. At the least, they should have been suspended or had their wrists slapped with some kind of training. These white cops killed a black guy, again, and got away with it, again.

No wonder people are freaking out.

Just saw the video. Cops over reacted.

RIP

You fucking dumbass. He put his hands up saying "don't touch me" and was clearly resisting. He didn't put his hands up saying "i surrender" or "ok, cuff me, i understand" and this guy had constant run ins with police, constant arrests and it wasn't their first rodeo with him, or fist time trying to arrest him either.. a fact which the video obviously doesn't show and which you're all too willing to ignore.

No one can say the police over reacted without fully understanding their prior interactions with him and how he acted.

Seems to me they were operating with a great deal more knowledge than a foreigner has from a youtube video.

People talk all this shit about US police as if there is a problem. Those people have obviously never traveled. In 1/2 the countries in the world, he would have raised his voice to police and then promptly been drug around the corner and had his head kicked in.

All they were trying to do was put handcuffs on him and HE made that a problem, not the police. A grand jury heard all the evidence and agreed. End of story.

"Garner had been previously arrested and was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false personation. Garner had a criminal record that includes more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, grand larceny. An official said the charges include multiple incidents in which he was arrested for selling unlicensed cigarettes"

"Garner's death was recorded by Ramsey Orta, a friend of Garner's, who was subsequently indicted on charges of third degree criminal possession of a weapon"

100% false. But then again, you aren't swayed by facts no matter how much you want to pass yourself off as a "man of science".

stupid police

Just watched a quick story about this case on our local news station.

Interesting to note that many of the "small government" advocates are usually silent when things like this happen...or they even support this type of government behavior .

I was living in Manhattan at the time. That and the Dialo story were both HUGE.

Actually the medical examiner said it and called it a homicide. I think possibly he knows better.

whoa.. you know how to throw a party!:thumbsup

did you see the actual coroners report?

That would be the NYPD :1orglaugh

He said the choke hold killed him directly? - I very much doubt it, unless he broke or seriously damaged something in his neck...

Think about it - You can't suffocate someone in a few seconds.....

How about asking him to put his hands behind his back, and he doesn't comply then you tase him? The dude wasn't resisting at all and didn't seem threatening whatsoever.

that case was different , they jammed a toilet plunger up his ass like 90x and fucked his insides.... those cops deserved to be jailed

But no one wants to hear that. They hear what they want to hear and the popular thing is that Cops are all racist killers.

The guy should of course have obeyed, but giving death sentence on the spot is wrong. Also, I don't think that it is right to give death sentence for that altogether.

The officer(s) shouldn't have killed him. But I don't care that much if US folks kill each other, unless UN declares some peace bombing mission or something like that.

Agreed .....

Actually the ME ruled it was homicide by chokehold. Contributing factors could have been his asthma, weight, etc.

Apparently GFY is smarter than you...


'Eric Garner, the Staten Island dad who complained that he couldn?t breathe as he was subdued by cops, died from compression of the neck, the medical examiner said Friday.

The autopsy also found that compressions to the chest and ?prone positioning during physical restraint by police? killed Garner. The manner of death, according to the medical examiner, was homicide.'

Eric Garner?s death ruled a homicide: NYC medical examiner - NY Daily News

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'A New York City police officer's illegal chokehold killed Eric Garner last month, and his death has been ruled a homicide, the medical examiner announced Friday.'

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...eath/13475451/

Uhmmmm....

First, the chokehold was not "illegal" and that very obvious, frequently stated fact being wrongly stated from the start, should have been an immediate red flag for any rational, reasonable, logical person and made it clear the article is pushing an angle and trying to incite others.

Garner's death was found by the New York City Medical Examiner's Office to be a result of compression to the neck, compression to the body, and prone positioning, along with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing
factors

Since you guys can't read at all... it means there were multiple contributing factors... not a single factor/action by a single person which killed him.

But hey, who needs facts when you're pushing an agenda?? ;)

police do not suppose to use choke hold, he did, why was he not fired??!!!

Excessive force all the way. The guy was selling cigarettes. No reason to get violent with him so quickly when he wouldn't comply. The autopsy said compression of the neck and chest killed him. All of you guys in here sucking cop-dick should think about if this happened to you for having a beer on the sidewalk or some other minor, bullshit infraction.

Because confronting unarmed big fat black man, who is just standing on the street, is so scary. :)

Also selling loose cigarettes is that kind of felony that you could execute him on the spot, just for that.

Technically not illegal but against NYPD policy, you do understand what the word 'homicide' means, don't you?

So in your police state loving brain, what exactly would a cop have to do to get indicted?

I don't think I can agree with that. That guy while maybe he was agitated, he made no verbal threats and was not acting in a threatening or aggressive manor. The cops clearly did noting but agitate that situation which ultimately lead to his death.

While I do understand cops have a tough job, in this instance they clearly used force when it was not needed. Maybe he was breaking the law, maybe he wasn't, but he certainly was not being violent which required him being put into a chokehold.

Yes maybe he was an asshole or a dick or even a hoodlum, but he didn't deserve to die for what he was doing at that time.

Watch the video you moron, it all happened in just a few seconds. His hands were up and it sure as fuck looked like he was NOT resisting. Also you Dick Head the Choke Hold was banned by NYPD in the 90's... But we all value the opinion of some 70 year old Shmuck that needs a walker to get around in.... God you are beyond ridiculous, I would love to see you with a Police Baton shoved up your ass.... Yup JUSTIS AMERICAN STYLE, but you love that don't you douche_dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

from the ones saying that cops lack compassion...