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NatalieK 07-15-2015 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 20524690)
Also on arsewithclass.com/freetour.php#niches you have links to your twitter feed. And your promoting youkandy on your twitter feed.

Hope that helps you gary.

My name is Natalie, I think you've already had a previous warning from Sly regarding this.

Now, I think you'll find all female models have twitter feeds from their twitter accounts. This is a leak, I agree.. Although, also giving an affiliates traffic more reason to purchase my membership as you can see how many movies & what kinds from the links.

There fore more of a reason to join my content packed, HD, streaming & unlimited downloadable membership site :2 cents:

I'll have to take a look at the livecam page, removing the links to other cam sites :thumbsup

AmeliaG 07-15-2015 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20332648)
Some programs just change subaccounts .... most elegant way of shaving. No need to risk not being paid by Zombaio.

If the program has grouping turned on, the affiliate gets credit no matter what subaccount they send to. That is how all CCBill programs with multiple sites should be set up.

ErectMedia 07-15-2015 10:31 PM

Option #1 Run your shit legit, good affiliates, good relationships, good word of mouth, long term relationships pending ya keep shit updated

Option #2 Play sneaky and only a matter of time before it's spoted by someone especially someone OCD like myself that analyzes everything, lose affiiates, bad word of mouth :2 cents:

DVTimes 07-16-2015 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ErectMedia (Post 20525071)
Option #1 Run your shit legit, good affiliates, good relationships, good word of mouth, long term relationships pending ya keep shit updated

Option #2 Play sneaky and only a matter of time before it's spoted by someone especially someone OCD like myself that analyzes everything, lose affiiates, bad word of mouth :2 cents:

yes

just seems short term to cheat

babeterminal 10-28-2016 04:55 PM

teal conrad website has moved to stickydollars

wehateporn 12-06-2016 02:37 AM

I imagine that most affiliates check how much they are making from a program, if it's good they increase the traffic, if not they either reduce the traffic or kill it off. If this is the case then sponsor cheating is a self-destructive move.

camfrog 12-06-2016 04:40 AM

This is the first years I've stopped doing promo for any ccbill programs. I got to the point that I owed ccbill money due to chargebacks & voided sales.

Paul&John 12-06-2016 05:31 AM

yeah ccbill sales are uber shitty lately

babeterminal 12-22-2016 09:01 AM

dreamnet cash now called radbucks changed ccbill accounts, all sites on clicking join go to some shit portal which leaks like a fucking sieve and also has wait for it........ vna army cams all over it

what a fucking cunt

bubo_bubo 01-10-2017 05:27 AM

Legglamour.com Affiliate Program (931994-0007)
Payout Percent: 0.00%
Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills

HowlingWulf 01-10-2017 10:17 AM

Note some programs switched from CCBill to another payment system like NATS, so drop their CCBill payout percent to 'nudge' affiliates to use the new links.

babeterminal 05-10-2017 09:18 PM

not been posting every single site i come across that cheats but this just takes the biscuit Ambya on clicking the join link it redirects to flirt 4free

RyuLion 05-10-2017 11:18 PM

Worth another bump.....

newB 08-18-2017 10:27 AM

Kick Ass Pays (904313-0000)
 
Payout Percent: 0.00%
Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills

nikki99 08-20-2017 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 20370684)
Camilly cash: set to 1%
All You Can Feet: set to 5$ pps
TTN cash: 1%
Nude Beauties: set to 5%

:eek2:eek2:eek2

Tjeezers 08-21-2017 07:16 AM

This is insane, how could I have missed this one. This thread needs to stay up, affiliates are always being shot down by programs as soon they reached a break even point. We are disposable it seems.

femdomdestiny 08-21-2017 10:50 AM

How do you treat sites that introduce own clips4sale stores?

NatalieK 08-21-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 21964349)
How do you treat sites that introduce own clips4sale stores?

I have my own clips store on my site. It´s a modelcentro store, and if correct, affiliates earn their 50% off clips or sales :2 cents:

www.nataliek.xxx/store :thumbsup

wehateporn 08-21-2017 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21964789)
I have my own clips store on my site. It´s a modelcentro store, and if correct, affiliates earn their 50% off clips or sales :2 cents:

www.nataliek.xxx/store :thumbsup

Great stuff :thumbsup

wehateporn 08-21-2017 05:58 PM

It would be easier to have a list of the good ones, there aren't many left

rayadp05 08-22-2017 05:18 AM

Damn. That's shady as fuck. I would never even think about doing that to my affiliates. Programs like that don't typically stay around for long though. That's why I have had my program and paysite for almost 13 years now, along with affiliate conversions coming in throughout the morning, afternoon and evening times ...every day.

Don't fuck your affiliates!

nyllover 08-22-2017 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 20370702)
Be careful... cascading is not designed for catching affiliate-id's when a program uses two or more billers. The fact that programs with 2 or more billing options use cascading says nothing.... Cascading is only for a rejected processing at biller A... then send customer through "denial cascade-link" to secondary biller.... then it works.... But... if there is no denial at Biller A there is no cascade-link= no credit for affiliate.

So... if you send visitor via a ccbill promo-tool to site and there visitor will get the ... let's say... verotel join form... you can have all cascading you want... but affiliate will not be credited because there was no denial prior to the sign up....

Program that uses 2 or more billers must be sure that they serve ccbill-join form when visitor comes from ccbill-tour... and serve for example Epoch-join form when visitor comes via epoch-codes..... Or... the program must use a third party software like nats or sliiing or whatever.... to catch the affiliate-codes when using more then one biller...

It depends on how the cascade is implemented. To be sure, just take a look at where your browser goes immediately after clicking the join button. If cascading is implemented right, you will briefly see a CCBIll domain url, then redirected to the other biller (verotel, epoch, whatever).
If this is the case, sale will be credited to the affiliate.

wehateporn 08-22-2017 06:16 AM

I sent a test sale through one the other day, it was meant to be a NATS that still sends credits to CCBill, the sale didn't come through to my CCBill affiliate account

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 20370702)
Be careful... cascading is not designed for catching affiliate-id's when a program uses two or more billers. The fact that programs with 2 or more billing options use cascading says nothing.... Cascading is only for a rejected processing at biller A... then send customer through "denial cascade-link" to secondary biller.... then it works.... But... if there is no denial at Biller A there is no cascade-link= no credit for affiliate.

So... if you send visitor via a ccbill promo-tool to site and there visitor will get the ... let's say... verotel join form... you can have all cascading you want... but affiliate will not be credited because there was no denial prior to the sign up....

Program that uses 2 or more billers must be sure that they serve ccbill-join form when visitor comes from ccbill-tour... and serve for example Epoch-join form when visitor comes via epoch-codes..... Or... the program must use a third party software like nats or sliiing or whatever.... to catch the affiliate-codes when using more then one biller...


babeterminal 08-27-2017 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21965591)
I sent a test sale through one the other day, it was meant to be a NATS that still sends credits to CCBill, the sale didn't come through to my CCBill affiliate account

did it register in nats?

wehateporn 08-27-2017 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by babeterminal (Post 21972981)
did it register in nats?

They've got a new NATS program, but it is still meant to credit CCBill affiliates. After the sale didn't go through to CCBill I signed up with NATS instead and redirected everything to it :2 cents:

faxxaff 08-27-2017 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20525061)
If the program has grouping turned on, the affiliate gets credit no matter what subaccount they send to. That is how all CCBill programs with multiple sites should be set up.

It's up to the program how they want to run their shop. I have caught a few programs who pushed rebills into other sub accounts. There is a way to tell this by looking at active members in stats. If you have 10 members a month and just 2 of them make money, then 8 of them are diverted to sub accounts. I complained with CCBill and they said it is up to the customer to do that. They can't pay out since the money is just not there anymore, technically.

Now: Some of the programs I caught paid me in another way in order to avoid being exposed here and there ... I guess they keep on doing it with other affiliates. Observe your stats and look out for cheaters.

babeterminal 09-27-2017 06:27 AM

footfactory of edfoxcash now using segpay billing

babeterminal 09-27-2017 06:28 AM

strange how AmeliaG of spookycash posts in a thread like this when all her websites now have epoch leaks

BigFurry 09-27-2017 07:30 AM

Just saw that Wank It Now sites also have Epoch leaks :(

rogueteens 09-27-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by camfrog (Post 21358540)
This is the first years I've stopped doing promo for any ccbill programs. I got to the point that I owed ccbill money due to chargebacks & voided sales.

I'm that way with ccbill too. I owe them money too after the few remaining rebillers I had all chargedback in the same month.

nikki99 09-27-2017 08:12 AM

bump for an interesting thread

wehateporn 09-27-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22016103)
Just saw that Wank It Now sites also have Epoch leaks :(

Yep, spotted that some months ago, such a shame as those sites would be worth promoting :2 cents:

wehateporn 09-27-2017 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by babeterminal (Post 22016023)
strange how AmeliaG of spookycash posts in a thread like this when all her websites now have epoch leaks

Just checked, you're right, at least she still guides people to the CCBill, not quite as bad as the side by side ones, but still a sales leak for affiliates

newB 09-27-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by babeterminal (Post 22016017)
footfactory of edfoxcash now using segpay billing

Ad tool links are all broken, too. Looks like they're done.


New one:
Sexy Fortune (945155-0000)
Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills
Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills

Program tour redirects to zBUCKz.

babeterminal 09-27-2017 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newB (Post 22016293)
Ad tool links are all broken, too. Looks like they're done.


New one:
Sexy Fortune (945155-0000)
Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills
Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills

Program tour redirects to zBUCKz.

thanks looks like they moved both sites into zbuckz

newB 09-30-2017 10:36 AM

HunterUpskirts - 50/50 PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM (947962-0000)

Appear to have closed the affiliate side, and now using SegPay to process joins.

EonBlue 09-30-2017 10:42 AM

Does an Epoch payment page for a CCBill program mean no credit? Or is it still credited through CCBill as part of a cascade or whatever? I am not too familiar with the payment processing setup.

I ask because I see a particular CCBill program going to an Epoch join page but I do see my CCBill id as part of the query string for the Epoch page.




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BigFurry 09-30-2017 12:59 PM

Yes both setup are possible.

1. If it's a direct link to Epoch, without a CCBILL redirect, it's a leak. The affiliate won't get credited.

2. If the Epoch/PayPal button points to a CCBILL URL, which redirects and then ends up on the Epoch payment page, it's likely correct and credits sales.

EonBlue 09-30-2017 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22019929)
Yes both setup are possible.

1. If it's a direct link to Epoch, without a CCBILL redirect, it's a leak. The affiliate won't get credited.

2. If the Epoch/PayPal button points to a CCBILL URL, which redirects and then ends up on the Epoch payment page, it's likely correct and credits sales.

Ok good. Looks like it's the second one. Thanks.



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Kafka 09-30-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22016103)
Just saw that Wank It Now sites also have Epoch leaks :(

Even with CcBill as far as i know you wont get credited. There is no cookie set with your aff id or otherwise.

bigalownz 10-01-2017 03:48 AM

some porn webmasters who use ccbill are so dodgy

most sign ups after ccbill fees are

80% to them
10% to model
10$ to affiliates

wehateporn 10-01-2017 04:11 AM

Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup

Quote:

Originally Posted by newB (Post 22019833)
HunterUpskirts - 50/50 PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM (947962-0000)

Appear to have closed the affiliate side, and now using SegPay to process joins.


AndyA 10-03-2017 05:00 AM

make sure they use NATS

babeterminal 05-10-2018 05:53 PM

Jeff Curry ccbill acc 931706 northwestbeauties dot com
suspended my account for making sales comes up with this

Sure. As far as I know, you are still getting credit for the sales, according to what I see when I log into my account.

Here is what happened from my perspective.

The customer who made the purchases is a regular customer. Once every week or two, he will make several purchases.

Evidently, he had done some search engine searching and picked up your cookie from a gallery. Maybe that day, maybe a day or two before.

When I saw the purchases coming in and the affiliate bonuses, I did not recognize you. I don’t know if we had ever corresponded and I could not recall you ever sending me a new customer.

I have had problems in the past with customers or associates signing up as affiliates to get themselves discounts on my videos. Since I didn’t recognize you, I was not sure if this was the case or not.

I contacted CC Bill and asked about you. They would not vouch for you, so I suspended your account.

I saw that sales kept coming in and also affiliate bonuses, which should not have happened.

I contacted CC Bill again and said I wanted those fees refunded to me. Something was wrong with their system.

So, that is what it looked like from my end.

Technically, you are entitled to the fees and you are welcome to lobby CC Bill for them. However, the intent of the affiliate program is for affiliates to find new customers and direct them to the content owner’s websites. You have never done that for me. You did post a couple of galleries, so you deserve some affiliate fees for that, but I think you will agree that getting 16 fees for galleries that you had probably forgotten about, may be a bit much.

what was that i am confussed
well fuck a duck I HAVE NO WORDS

mikeet 05-10-2018 06:13 PM

Welcome to 3 yrs ago?

edit* 4 years ago..........

babeterminal 05-10-2018 06:35 PM

wow this guy is unreal

I don’t see any reason to reinstate you. You have not done any promotional work for me for years.

Your affiliate status won’t affect whether or not you get the fees from earlier this week. You were an active affiliate for some of them and not for some of them.

If you have done anything for me in the past couple of years, please let me know. I don’t need to send out updates. I post 3 or 4 new videos each week and any affiliate is welcome to use them to promote my stuff. I understand that the old-school affiliate model was for the content owner to produce a bunch of galleries and send them out and then hope to get sales from them. That business model is pretty much dead. The newer affiliates are producing their own promotional content, based on what the content owner is posting.

You might want to take a look at my website. I have over 2000 different videos for sale. Each one can be promoted. This is why I have customers come and drop 100 to 200 dollars at a time.

If you were actively promoting my websites, I would have no problem with letting you have 16 fees for a regular customer.

Bladewire 05-10-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by babeterminal (Post 22267771)
wow this guy is unreal

I don’t see any reason to reinstate you. You have not done any promotional work for me for years.

Your affiliate status won’t affect whether or not you get the fees from earlier this week. You were an active affiliate for some of them and not for some of them.

If you have done anything for me in the past couple of years, please let me know. I don’t need to send out updates. I post 3 or 4 new videos each week and any affiliate is welcome to use them to promote my stuff. I understand that the old-school affiliate model was for the content owner to produce a bunch of galleries and send them out and then hope to get sales from them. That business model is pretty much dead. The newer affiliates are producing their own promotional content, based on what the content owner is posting.

You might want to take a look at my website. I have over 2000 different videos for sale. Each one can be promoted. This is why I have customers come and drop 100 to 200 dollars at a time.

If you were actively promoting my websites, I would have no problem with letting you have 16 fees for a regular customer.

Glad he banned you.

On the other board you admitted to having a couple nice here. It's tacky. You cheat with fake ID'd here I'm sure you cheat as an affiliate as well.

babeterminal 05-11-2018 03:13 AM

bladewire is the people behind media revenue, they are here to destroy whats left of the industry

Sexy Bear 05-11-2018 06:43 AM

thats good to have in mind thanks for sharing! :thumbsup:thumbsup

NatalieK 05-11-2018 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21964789)
I have my own clips store on my site. It´s a modelcentro store, and if correct, affiliates earn their 50% off clips or sales :2 cents:

NatalieK content store :thumbsup

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21964933)
Great stuff :thumbsup

thank you WHP :thumbsup


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