Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20572206)

i'm not seeing the piracy is why movies cater to the lowest common denominator argument.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20572183)

yes, i wasn't disagreeing per se. i was clarifying...specifying...i'm not trying to win an argument here, i like movies. i think you think people (adults) are stupid because movies have been made for 12-17 year olds because those make the most money.

i don't think it's accurate to then conclude people are stupid when the average age of that group is 15. that's all i'm saying. well that and the argument/observation that everyone else is stupid. that one always seemed off to me. others somewhere/somplace think people are stupid because of your position on a topic. not saying you are stupid, i don't believe you are, but you see what i am saying i bet.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20572203)

Great points!! And I agree, smaller films are harder to find but well worth the search. Thanks for that link, it's a great list!

Yes, piracy is a key factor. I remember when movies would be out in theaters for weeks or months. Sometimes we wouldn't get to see everything we wanted to in May or June and could still catch the big releases in July or even August. Not anymore, and a lot of movies miss out on loyal audiences because of this.

Think The Princess Bride or My Big Fat Greek Wedding or The Blair Witch project, etc. Small movies that built up a HUGE audience on word of mouth. Today they wouldn't stand a chance.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20572210)

It isn't the sole reason, but it plays a role. The studios know that there is going to be a certain amount of piracy that they can do nothing about. In the case of smaller movies that might be enough to keep it from getting a wider theatrical release. The studios then decide that the risk of making a handful of smaller movies might no be worth it so they make mostly big movies that they can count on making money and those are the movies that are produced to appeal the the lowest common denominator.

There are other factors as well, of course. For example a studio would rather make a movie where they can also sell toys, make a partnership deal with a fast food place, sell a soundtrack and other products that are associated with the movie. Not to mention how many people will buy it on DVD/Blu Ray when it comes out.

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20572211)

yea i understand your point... and what i mean with 'people are dumb' is the majority of our species, ofcourse not all of them. Think of sarah palin and her huge popularity by acting completely oblivious which made her popular with huge amounts of adults.
But to leave it at movies, look at the threads of adults on this board saying "wow look at this trailer of Thor 15 i cant wait to see it!". I guess I'll never understand adults being so enthusiastic about childish cookie cutter superhero movies.

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20572211)

yea i understand your point... and what i mean with 'people are dumb' is the majority of our species, ofcourse not all of them. Think of sarah palin and her huge popularity by acting completely oblivious which made her popular with huge amounts of adults.
But to leave it at movies, look at the threads of adults on this board saying "wow look at this trailer of Thor 15 i cant wait to see it!". I guess I'll never understand adults being so enthusiastic about childish cookie cutter superhero movies.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20572214)

so it's a math issue? i can get on board with that prolly. it's all math on hollywood anymore, well except for zach ephron. no math can explain we are your friends.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20572221)

Math and accounting. These days studios crunch the numbers and make the movies that will make them a profit.

There are smaller production companies still making smaller more artistic movies, but those aren't the movies that open 3,000 screens and get $50 million ad campaigns.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20572224)

i'mn with you, math = accounting. number cruncher hollywood execs call the shots not guys like lou wasserman anymore.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20572230)

I'm often reminded of something Rick Rubin said when he was asked why the record industry is struggling so much. He said (paraphrasing),"We got away being in the business of selling are and got into the business of selling a product."

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20572236)

Yes but that happened around 1971. LOL Rubin is right but really it was technology (and the record companies' reaction to it) that killed the music biz. They don't sell a physical product anymore and they don't charge enough for downloads to make up for that loss. Simple as that. Accounting.

These days, with corps ruling the day, it's 100% about the numbers.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20572215)

See, I guess liking comic book movies doesn't mean a person is dumb. I enjoy many of them (not all of them). I grew up reading comic books and for me they are kind of like seeing a part of my youth come to life. Not to mention they can look cool and be fun to watch. It's not a life-changing experience, but it can be fun, relaxing entertainment.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 20573286)

Here is a recent good movie I watched: Good Kill. A thousand times better than American Sniper, which I did not like at all. The storyline is a bit similar, only it's much more subtle, without all the silly pro USA proponganda and soppy emotions.

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20576627)

If you want to see a fun movie, check out "the guest":

The Guest (2014) - IMDb

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20578006)

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20578056)

That part where the doof truck crashes was the only weak spot for me. Everything was so real and practical looking throughout the movie (even the fire tornado), but that overly choreographed crash with the guitar and steering wheel flying at the camera looked very CGIish.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20578467)

not sure why i keep thinking joe = joe humungus....i guess i assumed he's related but i think his name is imperatan joe. either way he was a great villain and creepy as fuck.


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J.Falcon, it may be worth giving the movie a 2nd shot. i agree the dialogue is minimal, most of Max's lines are grunts even. but this movie is visually told. like a comic book. but not silly like superhero comic books and especially how those are translated into movies. this is more like an adult comic book, visually story telling for us. the depth of the imagery is staggering. the details throughout the film are really profound. i noticed they actually include a ringing in the ears sound after hand gun shots, just like irl. and that rings true for the visual work in this movie. it has just oodles and oodles of attention to details to help tell the story.

give it another whirl man!



i *kinda* liked it. for a couple reasons, first, the guitar. obviously.

2nd was it seemed to me to be the only 3d in your face scene in the entire movie, so i was appreciative of the only 1 scene like that. i did think there were more egregious weak spots, mostly in the story, nux's metamorphosis for instance. but they make up for that elsewhere, for instance, furiouso's woman character was well done. realistically she would never win a fight or win this epic battle with joe, that's why she only had one arm, to make sure we knew that. that's why she instantly tried to shoot max with the shottie the second she got her hand on it. and the best part about that is she knew it too.

it's a 2 hour fantastic visually told car chase for adults.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20578556)

But Max knew she was a better shot with the rifle.

I love the scene when they start respecting each other and handing off weapons during the first canyon scene.