I'm not sure if that was a rejection....

I guess most people could have quibbles about the emotional elements and character motivations. I was mostly in awe of the filmmaking as a whole. The use of mostly practical, old school effects and the score (with the bombastic church organs) was just something like I haven't heard in years and fit perfectly with the visuals -- especially that crazy docking scene.

that's part of why i brought it up here. it was visually as stunning as fury road, but takes a different direction with the slow burn plot. interstellar is very much a 2001 a space oydessy style movie and takes quite a few cues from 2001 but puts a spin on them i was thinking last night. instead of the computer betraying man, it's man betraying man. i thought the TAR was also very much an ode to the monolith and the conclusion with coop going through the black hole was a different angle of bowman's travel through space at the conclusion of 2001. the sountrack style also was reminiscant.

I liked the pregnant woman

Movies SUCK today for these reasons:

1. They are written, cast and filmed for the foreign market, where 75% of the profits exist. The more action and explosions the less sub-titles and therefore more people around the world can watch and understand the film.

2. Movies are filmed today with the DVD release in mind, often filming DVD-only Bonus scenes during principal photography. Therefore there is an internal economic pressure to "fill out" the movie, stretching it too long so there's reason to buy the DVD. This makes the plot, pacing and last act bloated and overwrought.

3. Studios know the only metric that truly determines a film's success, failure or break even is the Opening Weekend box office. Period. So hype the fuck out of a film and get as many asses in the seats that first weekend and the rest is gravy. Besides, what are people going to do? UNwatch the movie and get back two hours of their lives? Hardly.

And I won't even go into the socio-political reason for so many explosions in Hollywood films today. Let's just say the Gov't "supports" such an environment, where constant violence and war help de-sensitize the population.

Blah blah, movies suck today. Carry on.

I agree with most of what you say, but this is the part I can relate to most:

for me, the problem with movies in 2015 isn't the caliber of movie, it's the shitty experience of going to the movies. what a fucking nightmare, i mean really. i agree some movies have been fucked up by hollywood execs, terminator genisys, jesus fucking christ they destroyed that franchise, concept and everything by dumbing it all down to pg-13.

but the shitty experience of a movie theater is a huge problem for me.

You can check some of my threads about movies to see what I like. But to give an example that I can also enjoy fast-paced, action-packed films, taking them for what they are, I thought Edge of Tomorrow was fun. Far from a masterpiece or even a great movie, it was decent and "entertained me" I guess I liked the Groundhogs Day style plot and the way the science-fiction-style war was kind of like a video game, where you know where the bad guys are coming from all the time. It's bubble gum movie making for the masses, but at least it doesn't go completely over the top like Road Fury or take it itself too seriously like Interstellar.

cruise does a solid sci-fi! the other one, oblivion, is solid too. also, the MI: franchise overall i think does a solid job. all of them stand up to repeat viewings, for me that's the telltale of a good job by hollywood. can i watch it more than once.

I don't go to the movie theater hardly ever for several reasons. But the main reason is (and I think I made this clear) I hate about 85% of the stuff made today. With those odds, I almost always end up watching something I don't like and regretting it. I have extremely bad luck when it comes to choosing what movies I decide to watch at the theater.

While we are on the subject, if you want to add another reason why movies suck these days, it's because some movies can ONLY be truly enjoyed in 3D, IMAX, etc. If the only way to truly enjoy a movie is to watch on the big screen, then it's not a good movie.

Some solid arguments but this one is way off. We foreigners don't care about how much sub titles a movie has, we grew up with it and it's 2nd nature. It really doesnt cross anyones minds here, plus you learn to speak english from it. That's why everyone here speaks their native language and english.

The reason for more action and explosions is this: People are dumb. But the biggest sign that the overage movie-goer is completely stupid, is the popularity of superhero movies.
I can live with a nice dumb action movie, hell i like those just as much as i liked for example a great movie like Nightcrawler. Example of an action movie i liked is John Wick.

But superhero movies and Transformer movies are so repetitive, childish and dumb, yet they are the ones pulling the big audiences. Proof that the average movie goer is stupid.

the people are dumb comments are tiresome. you do realize you are people right? someone somewhere is claiming people are dumb, i.e., everyone is dumb. and if everyone is dumb then everyone has always been dumb, we're not dumber now than we've ever been as people, we're smarter.

movies are simplified to get a pg rating so families will take the entire family to a movie, buy the merch, etc. that's simply based on the math.

the average age of a movie goer is 12-17, so yes, according to adult levels of intelligence, the average movie goer is dumb, he's 15.

thus my question re: should i buy the fury road bluray :winkwink:

You realize your conclusion is that you agree with me?

Not everyone who is 13 is dumb when i look at my own youth. When i was that age my favourite movies were Predator, Rambo first blood, Terminator 2, all movies who have stood the test of time and still are extremely well made movies. You cannot compare that to Transformers or a shield chucker against machine gun wielding armies (captain america).

It kind of sucks to just rule out an entire category of movie because you feel like it's beneath you.

I like dumb ass comedies and action/superhero movies as much as I like slow indie, character driven movies with subtle filmmaking style. I know the difference and can find something to enjoy about any type of flick. I feel like the artsy films are superior, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy The Avengers.

I used to think I was a critic, but I've found more enjoyment from movies going in wanting to like it. A movie has to fuck up really bad for me to just write it off as garbage.

As far as movies sucking these days...if you can't find good movies, just aren't looking hard enough. It's the same thing as people who say rock and roll is dead. Fuck no, it's not. There's more awesome bands than ever if you look in the right places.

Spot on! I cannot stand going to the movies these days. Plus the previews are out of control. Last time I went they had 12 of them. 12! Way too many.

Plus in my neighborhood no one will STFU during a movie. Drives me nuts. I'd rather stay home and watch it on my 70 inch flatscreen.

Well, international also means the Asian market (which is huge). But yeah, sub titles are a given and a great way to learn another language. So there's something positive I guess. LOL

But I agree 100% about these idiotic superhero movies. I hate them and they keep coming nonstop every year. Enough with the Batmans and Spidermans please.

But there's an old saying: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average citizen."

yes, i wasn't disagreeing per se. i was clarifying...specifying...i'm not trying to win an argument here, i like movies. i think you think people (adults) are stupid because movies have been made for 12-17 year olds because those make the most money.

i don't think it's accurate to then conclude people are stupid when the average age of that group is 15. that's all i'm saying. well that and the argument/observation that everyone else is stupid. that one always seemed off to me. others somewhere/somplace think people are stupid because of your position on a topic. not saying you are stupid, i don't believe you are, but you see what i am saying i bet.

I would argue that it is more along the lines of "big studio movies suck in 2015." There are plenty of very good movies being made, but they are harder to find these days and may never get a theatrical release.

Case in point. Go here: New Movie Releases - Metacritic

That is a list of current movies out right now sorted by average score. There are over 100 movies on that list that rated 61 or higher and are considered by critics and audiences to be good. Obviously there are things there that won't be for everyone or just not your taste, but there have to be a handful of movies on there that you would like and think are good.

The problem is that 15 years ago a lot of the movies would have gotten a wider release and would have slowly built up an audience, but these days with piracy once the movie is out it can be seen everywhere online within a few days and it makes it harder for many of these small movies to build up an audience. So studios aren't as willing to take a chance on them and they would rather bet on something they think is a sure thing to make them money.

There is a lot of truth to what you say, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of good movies out there, you just have to go look for them.

I've always gone into movies with the attitude where I am looking for two things. 1. What does the movie want to be or do? 2. Does it then do that.

For example. If it is a comedy then does it make me laugh and enjoy it. A good comedy is a movie that has a several big laughs in it and a handful of smaller laughs sprinkled throughout. A bad comedy is one where all the funny parts are in the trailer and the rest is kind of boring.

A person and enjoy the Avengers and an art house film equally for different reasons so long as each of those movies know what they want to be and then deliver on that.

Great points!! And I agree, smaller films are harder to find but well worth the search. Thanks for that link, it's a great list!

Yes, piracy is a key factor. I remember when movies would be out in theaters for weeks or months. Sometimes we wouldn't get to see everything we wanted to in May or June and could still catch the big releases in July or even August. Not anymore, and a lot of movies miss out on loyal audiences because of this.

Think The Princess Bride or My Big Fat Greek Wedding or The Blair Witch project, etc. Small movies that built up a HUGE audience on word of mouth. Today they wouldn't stand a chance.

i'm not seeing the piracy is why movies cater to the lowest common denominator argument.

It isn't the sole reason, but it plays a role. The studios know that there is going to be a certain amount of piracy that they can do nothing about. In the case of smaller movies that might be enough to keep it from getting a wider theatrical release. The studios then decide that the risk of making a handful of smaller movies might no be worth it so they make mostly big movies that they can count on making money and those are the movies that are produced to appeal the the lowest common denominator.

There are other factors as well, of course. For example a studio would rather make a movie where they can also sell toys, make a partnership deal with a fast food place, sell a soundtrack and other products that are associated with the movie. Not to mention how many people will buy it on DVD/Blu Ray when it comes out.

yea i understand your point... and what i mean with 'people are dumb' is the majority of our species, ofcourse not all of them. Think of sarah palin and her huge popularity by acting completely oblivious which made her popular with huge amounts of adults.
But to leave it at movies, look at the threads of adults on this board saying "wow look at this trailer of Thor 15 i cant wait to see it!". I guess I'll never understand adults being so enthusiastic about childish cookie cutter superhero movies.

Yep, it wasn't too long ago that a indie movie could go to some festivals, get a limited release in NY and LA then slowly over the course of a few months build up good word of mouth and get a bigger and bigger release. These days many of those movies won't even see a theater, but instead they will be released on VOD and streaming and will have to battle it out there for an audience.

so it's a math issue? i can get on board with that prolly. it's all math on hollywood anymore, well except for zach ephron. no math can explain we are your friends.

See, I guess liking comic book movies doesn't mean a person is dumb. I enjoy many of them (not all of them). I grew up reading comic books and for me they are kind of like seeing a part of my youth come to life. Not to mention they can look cool and be fun to watch. It's not a life-changing experience, but it can be fun, relaxing entertainment.

yeah, we're on the same page. those guys that go ga-ga on transformer flicks are usually the guys i end up bickering with on teh gfy. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Math and accounting. These days studios crunch the numbers and make the movies that will make them a profit.

There are smaller production companies still making smaller more artistic movies, but those aren't the movies that open 3,000 screens and get $50 million ad campaigns.

i'mn with you, math = accounting. number cruncher hollywood execs call the shots not guys like lou wasserman anymore.

I'm often reminded of something Rick Rubin said when he was asked why the record industry is struggling so much. He said (paraphrasing),"We got away being in the business of selling are and got into the business of selling a product."

Yes but that happened around 1971. LOL Rubin is right but really it was technology (and the record companies' reaction to it) that killed the music biz. They don't sell a physical product anymore and they don't charge enough for downloads to make up for that loss. Simple as that. Accounting.

These days, with corps ruling the day, it's 100% about the numbers.

Yep, these days the head of a movie studio is more likely to have a background in finance than to be someone who knows anything about making movies.

and some of them are actually decent movies. Marvel has been kicking ass....Fantastic Four notwithstanding. Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy were fantastic.

Speaking of action movies...has anyone seen The Raid 2?

Amazing flick. It's an Asian gangster epic mixed with the most bad ass fight scenes filmed since Jackie Chan's heyday.

Here is a recent good movie I watched: Good Kill. A thousand times better than American Sniper, which I did not like at all. The storyline is a bit similar, only it's much more subtle, without all the silly pro USA proponganda and soppy emotions.

I watched this tonight and while I thought it was good...even at times very good...It is about a subtle as a kick to the balls and stacked to the rafters with cliches. Still, I thought it was a pretty well done movie.

If you want to see a fun movie, check out "the guest":

The Guest (2014) - IMDb

ok so i snagged the blue-ray, got it Thursday and watched it 3x already. it's fucking insanely good, and i'm talking about just the movie part of so far. the film looks fantastic on the viio 43" 1080p LED, nothing fancy, and i just use a solid center speaker for audio, and the audio kills it, even on my basic setup. the parts where the doof warrior is shredding really hit hard and have a high giggle factor, the guy is a scene stealer really. when he's playing back-up to the warrior listing off how much humungous has spent chasing down furiouso, it's fucking fantastic.

and the movie stands up to repeat viewings, i found myself feeling that mask max wears through 1/2 the film. but yeah, just as epic home viewing as the Imax.

and on top of it the extras, tons and tons of bts shit, most all the cars from start to finish. filming on fury road. haven't hit it all yet.

recommended blue-ray

the doof!








and i had forgotten about the spraying the chrome paint in the mouth, when humungus sprays nux i got shivers man!

Going tomorrow to the IMAx 3D, but I will definitely get the BLu Ray and it'll be the first movie I watch when I get my 70 inch LED.

I saw that. Pretty decent flick and the main actor played that part perfectly. Something about that dude is very watchable.

It was definitely trying to look and feel like an 80's movie.

That part where the doof truck crashes was the only weak spot for me. Everything was so real and practical looking throughout the movie (even the fire tornado), but that overly choreographed crash with the guitar and steering wheel flying at the camera looked very CGIish.