I was shocked by 220v long before anybody paid me to do it. I didn't do it to be cool...

wind eh? any details or ?? I'm curious about the system.

be careful man

that's not the point though. this isn't about the government or general numbers, the question was does ********** conserve and the answer is no. It's not a generalized question, it's specific. True conservationists do not add to the problem, they subtract from it, i.e. conserve.

Moreover, one does not have to buy that much of an older car or a pos car to conserve. Canada has GOBS of clean diesel cars for sale there and has for years. A 5 year old VW TDI with 75000 miles on it has already amortized most its' carbon footprint and someone who is interested in cleaning up the environment and not polluting would purchase that car to conserve energy, not a brand new car that also, by the way, has a much larger manufacturing carbon footprint than a clean diesel.


there is a mountain of data online to corroborate what I just wrote too.

VW jetta clean diesel gets ~60mpg

it's the amperage that can do it. Was lucky not to get killed myself this weekend, had some basement flooding and had to do a mad dash to the breaker to turn the power off...

Power extreme!:thumbsup

Yea I agree with what you are saying, it's just often that argument is used to make it seem as if hybrids or electric cars are no better than regular cars. However it's not the case with all older cars. There really are just a limited few that can get that kind of mileage.

Take my vanagon for instance, it's actually a heavy van with a under powered 4 cylinder. Due to that the mileage kinda sucks for a vehicle it's size. I get about 15 in the city and 17-18 on the highway. Meanwhile I have a 200hp Ecotec out of a Saturn Sky that I'm putting in my Syncro. With that motor I will get around 25mpg on average. Meaning I'm increasing the MPG by quite a bit, yet I could never register the van in Cali, because even if it had cleaner emissions it's not an approved conversion.

I'm not doing your research for you. Learn to do your own if you want to learn.

Oh, and this:
Oh my god,how do you have solar panels and not understand the basics of electricity? What a stupid bitch.

Voltage (volts) measures the pressure, or FORCE, of electricity. The amps multiplied by the volts gives you the wattage (watts), a measure of the WORK that electricity does per second. Think of it this way: Electricity flowing through a wire is like water flowing through a garden hose.

Read this, bitch: What?s The Difference Between Watts And Volt-Amperes? | Energy content from Electronic Design

so you can hopefully stop dumbing down the Interwebz.

You're the one trying to make the point, bitch, but you have yet to post links to back up any of your claims. Where are they?



Only a complete idiot would use the word "clean" and "diesel" in the same sentence. Kindly post links that prove diesel is clean or cleaner than electric.

And yet, you have posted none.

Toots bitch!

**********, this thread is not about you, I didn't even bring you up, someone else did combined with YOU choosing to click in here and post on your own accord.

next, are you really this fucking stupid? to not even know about clean diesel?

I mean really? It's one thing to buy a volt and think you are helping when you are actually hurting but to not have even heard of clean diesel.....i mean dang.

Finally, you're the one claiming to be saving the planet yet fails to comprehend basic math. My claim is you are not a conservationist and I've provided plenty of links proofing that anyone who buys a new Volt has to own that car for many years and drive it many many miles just to get back to zero carbon impact from the manufacturing.

it's not rocket science.

**********, here is another opportunity to learn from me.

Clean diesel is the new generation of diesel made up of a three-part system that combines cleaner diesel fuel, advanced engines and effective emissions control technology. This new system ensures that clean diesel engines will continue to play a dominant role in the future while helping meet energy security, greenhouse gas and clean air objectives around the world.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clea...=clean+diesel+

~8 million results there on clean diesel.


Also, I mentioned the VW TDI series diesel engines specifically, you can learn about that technology also
Turbocharged Direct Injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The TDI engine uses direct injection where a fuel injector sprays atomised fuel directly into the main combustion chamber of each cylinder, rather than the pre-combustion chamber prevalent in older diesels which used indirect injection.

These, in combination, allow for greater engine efficiency, and therefore greater power outputs (from a more complete combustion process compared to indirect injection), while also decreasing emissions and providing more torque than the non-turbo and non-direct injection petrol engined counterpart from VAG.

Similar technology has been used by other automotive companies, but "TDI" specifically refers to these Volkswagen Group engines. Naturally aspirated direct-injection diesel engines (those without a turbocharger) made by Volkswagen Group use the Suction Diesel Injection (SDI) label.



TDI engines are frequent winners of various prizes in the International Engine of the Year Awards. In 1999 the Volkswagen Group 1.2 TDI 3L beat the Toyota Prius to win "Best Fuel Economy" in its class.

The TDI engine has won "Green Car of the Year award" in the years 2009 (Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 litre common-rail TDI clean diesel) and 2010 (Audi A3 TDI clean diesel) beating other various electric cars.

complete idiots using clean and diesel in the same sentence awarded this Audi clean diesel car green car of the year over electric cars.

what a complete idiots!




Audi A3 TDI Wins 2010 Green Car of the Year Award

the Audi A3 TDI achieves its "clean diesel" status through advanced tuning of its 2.0 liter powerplant. Unlike larger diesels in the U.S. market, no downstream urea injection is required. According to the government's Model Year 2010 Green Vehicle Guide, the Audi A3 TDI is certified at the federal Tier 2 Bin 5 level.

The other four finalists in the GCJ competition included another diesel, the 2010 Volkswagen Golf TDI, and three hybrids, the 2010 Honda Insight, 2010 Mercury Milan Hybrid (sibling of Ford's Fusion Hybrid) and 2010 Toyota Prius.



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