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dyna mo 12-16-2014 11:49 AM

Trouble.

adultmobile 12-16-2014 12:07 PM

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k0nr4d 12-16-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20326545)
Fucked? You wish :1orglaugh Read something about 1998 crisis. That time dollar jumped from 6 rubles to 36 (yes in 6 times almost immediately). Sure that wasn't a cool thing for many, but the heavens did not fall. The same will be again. China (as well as other countries) still buys Russian gas and oil for dollars, so "fucked" is not a suitable word in such a situation.

The average citizen does not get any of those oil dollars, though

TheSquealer 12-16-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20326545)
Fucked? You wish :1orglaugh Read something about 1998 crisis. That time dollar jumped from 6 rubles to 36 (yes in 6 times almost immediately). Sure that wasn't a cool thing for many, but the heavens did not fall. The same will be again. China (as well as other countries) still buys Russian gas and oil for dollars, so "fucked" is not a suitable word in such a situation.

I was living in Vladivostok at the time. I remember everything quite well. I remember Yeltsin announcing in the evening that he was NOT going to devalue the Ruble and in the morning he did. Rubles went from something like 5.5 to 1 USD to 9 to 1 USD by noon the next day losing 1/2 their value against the dollar before lunch time. I had money in the banks that i couldn't get out because banks froze all accounts.

The government also summarily pulled the licenses from over 1000 Russian banks, fucking people over, claiming they were money laundering banks with no concern for innocent depositors and how it was going to affect them.

At a certain point, the government was forcing people to transfer $ accounts to Sberbank to be able to withdraw the money in Rubles only and they were exchanging money at very very horrible exchange rates and making a killing on the difference. I am trying to recall the specifics but at some point, the only way to get money out of weak banks was to transfer it to Sberbank for retarded fees and horrible exchange rates, where we'd lose 30-40% of the value just to access cash.

All the large outdoor markets in Vladivostok, relying 100% on chinese/korean imports were shut down over night. The biggest car market in Russia probably is in Vladivostok - selling used Japanese cars and it went from having 40,000 cars for sale to nothing but empty acres and acres of space because no one was going to spend $ not knowing what the next day would bring.

Imports stopped completely.

Everyone that had already imported for sale foods, electronics, cars/parts/accessories, clothes etc etc etc were 100% fucked because they couldn't sell anything at the rate rubles were falling in order to be able to have the $ that they needed to in order to pay back creditors.

There was also a massive murder spree across Russia of bankers and people in the financial industry, primarily because everyone wanted their money out of banks/investments and there was no way for them to access that money, for a variety of reasons (Central bank pulling licenses, no access to funds invested in government related instruments etc).

Of course the economy survived. Why? Because right after that, oil began slowly increasing in price. Otherwise, you'd still be in a bread line today had it not.

So to suggest that no one suffered is idiotic. Everyone suffered in all of Eastern Russia for sure,... as did i when all my funds were frozen in banks that couldn't afford a run on deposits.

So get ready. Oil is going to be cheap for a long time and Russia is being shut out of foreign markets, the Ruble is falling apart and you can talk about the greatness of Russia all you want, but its only going to get worse and worse and worse for a nation of leaders who just can't wait to work against, not with the rest of the developed world.

TheSquealer 12-16-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 20326857)
The average citizen does not get any of those oil dollars, though

Right.. Russia only exports natural resources primarily. These people win all day long. Their costs are in a free fall and they sell products for Dollars and Euros and are killing it. All of the small, medium and large business people that need to import clothes, foods, electronics, appliances etc etc etc are fucked. Sony doesn't make TVs in Russia. They have to be paid for in Dollars, imported AND then they have to be sold for Rubles, those Rubles converted back to Dollars and the debt paid. That's impossible when Rubles are in a free fall and you buy inventory at 35 rubles to the dollar one day and the exchange rate is 65 to 1 dollar a week later. You can't just double the price of TV's and sell them because peoples salaries in Rubles remain unchanged.

just a punk 12-16-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 20326857)
The average citizen does not get any of those oil dollars, though

In fact he does. Free medicine, free education, funny tax rates (how about 6%?) etc. It's all the oil dollars.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20326913)
I was living in Vladivostok at the time.

I have heard this fairytale a lot of times. You know dude, I was living in a few US cities too, but I'm not trying to pose myself as the expert in the US economics.

BTW, the new prices on the same imported goods in Russia, Belorussia and Kazakhstan:

http://pics.v6.top.rbc.ru/v6_top_pic...7584363761.jpg

Full story: http://top.rbc.ru/business/17/12/2014/549039452ae596c9312d5f61

Oh those poor-poor Russians from Vladivostok ))))

klinton 12-16-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20327018)
I have heard this fairytale a lot of times. You know dud, I was living in a few US cities too, but I'm not trying to pose myself as the expert in the US economics.

BTW, the new prices on the same imported goods in Russia, Belorussia and Kazakhstan:

http://pics.v6.top.rbc.ru/v6_top_pic...7584363761.jpg

Full story: http://top.rbc.ru/business/17/12/2014/549039452ae596c9312d5f61

Oh those poor-poor Russians from Vladivostok ))))

why wont you post these prices in rubles...and why wont you say that from now everything imported will be 2,5 times more expensive ? as..1 usd is still 1 usd...but 1 usd is no longer 30 rubles, but 75 ......

edit: ah, ok i see that they are in rubles too.....

just a punk 12-16-2014 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20327029)
why wont you post these prices in rubles...

Why won't I? The ruble prices are shown on the same picture.

TheSquealer 12-16-2014 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20327018)
I have heard this fairytale a lot of times. You know dude, I was living in a few US cities too, but I'm not trying to pose myself as the expert in the US economics.

The simple fact is that I was there, with several businesses. You talked to me like I don't know and I was right there watching it all unfold and I was one of the many trying to get my money out of MDM and Bank of Primorye. So you can cut the "fairy tale" bullshit. I've seen and experienced much more of your own country than you have.

I often have used this situation over the years as an example of how resilient a free market economy is, regardless of reckless tax laws, business laws, corruption etc etc etc.

Of course things will be fine in the end economically meaning that things will eventually find a point of equilibrium and stabilize, but with a long term decline in oil and gas prices, coupled with Western Sanctions and a horrible foreign investment climate in Russia, Russia is in serious trouble for a long time.

just a punk 12-16-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20327068)
The simple fact is that I was there, with several businesses.

I have a serious doubts. Sorry.

P.S. I was born and grown in some cold and snowy Siberian city (it was Soviet Union and then Yeltsin's 90's). I live in Moscow during the last 10 years only. So please don't try to tell me what you know my country better. I don't even think you have been here at all because of all those b/s in your posts :2 cents:

MaDalton 12-16-2014 03:23 PM

Apples online store in Russia is offline: The Apple Store

Apple Temporarily Halts Online Sales in Russia Due to 'Extremely Sharp' Ruble Fluctuations - Mac Rumors

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Apple has temporarily halted online sales in Russia due to fluctuations in the value of the ruble, reports Bloomberg. The online store will be down until Apple is able to revise its prices in the country.
keep on dreaming that this doesn't affect people at some point...

unless wages and pensions are going up as well (we all know they won't), it is going to get ugly at some point

gregdespicable 12-16-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hadden (Post 20326240)
Wherever Russia goes, Germany will follow.

trust me, Germany will stay how it is.

just a punk 12-16-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20327100)
Apples online store in Russia is offline: The Apple Store

Yes and that's true. I've never been an apple adept, but I saw this image posted to one of Russian SEO forums:

http://i016.radikal.ru/1412/bd/2ddde52753a8.png

FreeHugeMovies 12-16-2014 07:31 PM

Prayers sent to Russia and that ass clown Puttin.

Barry-xlovecam 12-16-2014 08:31 PM

Russia may not be able to service its foreign debt of $670 Billion and default;

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["O]ur deepest fear has been ? and still is ? that putting Mr. Putin in a 'nothing-to-lose' situation removes any constraint he might have had against reneging on his foreign debt obligations, which Russian borrowers probably cannot pay off or service now," writes Carl Weinberg, chief economist at High Frequency Economics. Foreign lenders would have to brace for $670 billion in losses. ...

INO.com News - Fallout from troubled Russia risks triggering default and increased aggression in Ukraine

adultmobile 12-17-2014 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20327566)
Russia may not be able to service its foreign debt of $670 Billion and default;

That's not a big debt... is the 18th country by debt, look here:

External Debt by Country

Small countries like NL, Spain etc. have 3-4 times the Russia's debt...

Also Russia's external debt it is decreasing, not increasing:

Russia External Debt | 2011-2014 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

Kolargol 12-17-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20328266)
That's not a big debt... is the 18th country by debt, look here:

External Debt by Country

Small countries like NL, Spain etc. have 3-4 times the Russia's debt...

Also Russia's external debt it is decreasing, not increasing:

Russia External Debt | 2011-2014 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

NL and Spain don't have their currencies demolished and capital influx blocked.

RummyBoy 12-17-2014 12:14 PM

17% haha....... nice to fix an FD at this rate.

If I remember rightly, the last time the US interest rate was higher was 1980 when US interest rate was hiked to 20%.

CAHEK 12-17-2014 12:32 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18dz7qCYAA0hEn.jpg :winkwink:

dyna mo 12-17-2014 12:34 PM

t- minus ???? till russian default.

k0nr4d 12-17-2014 02:36 PM

- Dad, give me 5 rubles so I can go to the store
- 20 rubles? What do you need 50 rubles for??

2MuchMark 12-17-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hadden (Post 20326240)
Wherever Russia goes, Germany will follow.

Germany relies heavily on renewable energy like wind, Hydro, and solar. They export all kinds of things like cars from Mercedes, Volkswagen , Audi, BMW,r minerals and metals like iron ore, Nickel, Uranium, energy like natural gas, but I don't think they are big exporters of oil like Russia. In fact what else does Russia export expect oil?

pornmasta 12-17-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 20328450)

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dyna mo 12-17-2014 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 20328628)
- Dad, give me 5 rubles so I can go to the store
- 20 rubles? What do you need 50 rubles for??

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

MaDalton 12-18-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hadden (Post 20326240)
Wherever Russia goes, Germany will follow.

i am still interested why that is...


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