And you don't get what I am writing. "Calling everyone racists." If you read what I wrote, it is hardly name calling.

If I say that humans are characterically racists, etc., it is like saying "humans are mammals". You can take it as a name calling or not. I don't. I don't blame you being mammal. You are animal (this isn't name calling either).

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i get what you're saying. But i wouldn't describe it as 'racist', i'd describe it as being prejudice towards people other than themselves - yes, everyone has that. But it's logical.

The discussion here isn't about that though. It's about two completely different cultures that do not mix very well - it's proven over the years, that this utopian multicultural society - read: muslims in western countries - is a completely failed project. We don't mix well. And it's only muslims. We also have indonesians, chinese, etc, why didn't their immigration in western countries fail?

I meant prejudice for different human groups; that can be anything starting from some prejudice against people from different town, town part, etc.

Word racism is used to describe prejudice and discrimination. Or if you want take the word literally: for starters discriminating someone because he is black, isn't racism per se without some belief about races and racial differences and discriminating because of that, but hardly no one asks those motives, and the accused might not even tell when asked. If you discriminate someone based on their skin colour, it is called as racism. Still, I am blamed for not getting what "racism" means. It is anyways quite hard to use the word as it was meant at the beginning of 19th century; as it requires knowing someone's racial beliefs (or the lack of those), and the exact motives about the discrimination.

That is why UN has a more broader definition, so that things don't get too complicated (when the issue is taken seriously and the meaning of the word makes difference).

"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where do you think prejudices and stereotypes come from? It's not like "racists" invent them just to justify their hate. Wake up and smell the Sharia law.

the issue is you politicized a sociological trait .... it's called TRIBALISUM, when you say racist it is name calling, when you state tribalism, it's science... :2 cents:

no offense, but typical euro idiot. 0 understanding about the subject.
when it happens in Germany it will be too late, might be already too late.
whats the difference between Germany and France? Few hours drive? lol.
wake the fuck up.

Neither tribalism is the right scientific word for it. And I wasn't even trying to use some exact word, if there even is such. Shortest simplified description would be fear of unknown + tribalism. As you can apply the fear of unknown even to different looking fruit (even though your mom says it's OK), tribalism is hardly the right word in here.

No one has said anything about halal meat in hospitals.

Civil war? Yea it might happen, it's all about people waking up. If this keeps going on, the tolerance of much more tolerant people than me will be depleted.

Celebration of christmas not allowed? That's a question for the future not today.

But here's something for a starter

Converting Denmark into a Muslim Country

Prejudices and stereotypes come from somewhere surely, but those being accurate descriptions is another matter. Goebbels made up some stereotypes about jews, but the accuracy is another matter, and in this case; racist really did invent stereotypes.

And this is not just about sharia, I will mention that when I speak about that.

Im leaving this thread now, but fact is the nationalistic parties is growing and the establishment wont touch the topic in an intelligent way.

How the hell are you going to manage to be tolerant towards the intolerant...

It will get worse, just watch and see. By then it might be too late.

Christian Fundamentalists are very dangerous and threaten world peace, I think we should ban all Americans from traveling until they reject religion and except science.

I think all the British who have been living abroad for more than a year but have failed to learn the local language should be made to return.

Everyone who wants to restrict immigration should hand in their own passport and say they are happy never to travel so long as no one else can.

The lack of passports doesn't seem to matter that much regarding refugees, although I don't think that they come for the sake of traveling. :)

I am all for restricting immigration. Letting everybody in, isn't very good plan.

That would mean kicking every religious person out period.

:1orglaugh

Except that the foundation regarding views about right and wrong has been shaped by western religion (Christianity). Thus Christians are more or less in sync with western laws.

Gets my vote! :thumbsup

i can only spot one idiot here - and that ain't me

and first and foremost: I will not have GFY keyboard warriors dictate me what I think what is going on in my home country

fact is: those demonstrations are organised by neo nazis in disguse and a few thousand stupid people blindly follow

we can discuss other issues with religious extremists of all sorts, but in a civilized manner

won't happen on GFY though i'm afraid - especially with people like you that call me an idiot out of the blue

and now, in best GFY christmas spirit: Go Fuck Yourself :winkwink:

Adolph!
preheat the ovens!
we gonna be busy!

http://www.abigmessage.com/halal-meat-in-danish-hospital-sparks-debate-on-retaining-food-culture.html

http://m.cphpost.dk/news/how-one-local-decision-created-a-national-war-on-christmas.3388.html

http://www.aina.org/news/2012082490853.htm

Just a few examples.
And why is it we are always supposed to be scared, just because we don't want our culture and society fucked up by a religion that have failed to adapt to the 21th century.

You are right a lot of people are forced to travel by war and poverty. What as been the countries who moan about immigration policies? Have they created war and poverty? Have they funded the very extremists they now worry about?

Freedom for all to live where they want is not a plan it is a right. A right I am sure you want to have.

Human beings move, they always have.

I would let in Syrian refugees trying to escape war anyday, even better if we could exchange them for people who call for immigration controls.

Let them see what it is like to live in fear as they lack the imagination or compassion to understand the struggles of their fellow humans.

two car attacks in france today ... let them leave to their country, and let them live there with their allah ... :2 cents: nothing else to say, seriously ... how can anyone tolerate religion like this? ban it, make it illegal, as it have to be, problem solved ... if someone will harm your family, will you just look and think about how racist any counter attack will be? come on ...

There is no such right as to live where whoever wants, and I don't want such right. Humans are territorial animals for reason, as are other territorial animals too. I am nationalist and I am willing and able to kill for this plot that I call home my come country, I have been trained for that.

There will be huge conflicts if there would be totally free immigration. I don't have that much will to divide the struggle more evenly. There is more people coming than the lifeboat can support.

Humans have moved, yes, you are right. Although usually that hasn't been that good thing for the original population. What is your view to colonialism? Is this kind of moving good or bad thing?

defending yourself is not and never has been considered racist by anyone.

it is an alarmists fantasy..

you quoting your friend david duke again?

edit in advanced mode

I thought that I tried that. Better luck next time.

The muslims of germany (mostly turkish people) are not the muslims of france (people coming from north africa, excepted in the east of france where there is more turkish people too)

^^^^ this

and with a large majority of them there are no problems at all - they are as "western" as any other german

and i am intelligent enough to differentiate and not blindly hate

Although I have read that many second or third generation Turks (Germans) don't speak German, as there is no need in their huge "ghettos". We have had news stating that the Turkish issue has partially failed in Germany.


EDIT:

Recent news regarding the subject.

All immigrants should speak German at home, say Merkel's allies - Telegraph

once again - correct in some parts, still small minorities

and regarding that article: everyone had laughed at them and they hurried to take it back as they could not explain how they would control that - and because they are from Bavaria and hardly anyone outside Bavaria understands what they speak. Hilarious.


edit: so far in Germany there was no real right wing party - opposed to many other European countries. Now one party showed up (AFD) and the other conservative parties got their panties in a bunch cause they fear losing votes - and now everyone suddenly tries to outbid the others with the most absurd conservative opinions.

meanwhile in reality nothing has changed

Do you worry about Americans and Brits abroad who fail to learn the local language?

Only if they live in my country (permanently). Otherwise this has already failed in US, Australia, and in India, etc. For instance; English folks failed to learn Indian languages (America), and same for Spanish folks. Although I guess that was the least concern for Indians. These immigrants were kinda reluctant altogether.

This shit happening in germany fears me a bit. I read in this thread "lemmings"....and that's what most of these stupids (not all germans, all those protesting now) are.....:321GFY

you are right, i was wrong to call you an idiot. you are just highly uneducated and ignorant about the topic of islam, shariya, etc.
just because the only one doing anything about the problem are the neo nazis, (the rest are too afraid to be called racist to face the problem head on, after what was only 69 years ago its understandable) doesn't mean that there is no problem. The French thought there was no problem either, the Belgiums thought so too only 2 years....if you think Germany isolated from Extreme Muslims you are even more naive then I thought.

just shut the fuck up and go penetrate a donkey

In the 90's my mother worked at some place where some Turkish people (not all) spoke... german... in france...

There is more a mimetic effect:
- people are unhappy
- these people are ready to believe that another islam can save them (or least can hurt the society in which they are underdogs <-- this is the real problem for most of these people)
- they are convinced to do shit
- TV advertize what they are doing
- new people want to copy them.

In corsica, there is 20 bombings per year, you don't hear about most of them in the other parts of France.
Some asshole made explode a waste container near my street (it was strong enough to break some windows of the neighborhood) and it was pretty hard to find news about it even if there was a lawsuit and someone injuried...

A part of the problem is how medias advertize these attacks of muslim extremists.
Some powerful people in our society WANT this problem instead of another one...
Who ? those who want to see religion as a solution...

Media's role might be important, but I don't think that there is anything deeper behind it, besides ad sales.

well it is probably me, but while we are supposed to live in the area of the "end of ideologies", there is suddently more... religions...
They are useful to control people like ideologies but they CAN'T be solutions for democracies in which the public debate is based on reflexion.

Yeah, same thing worked 75 years ago with the jews.
People need a valve to release steam, and blindly follow a movement that promises simple but radical solutions. The organizers are soulcatchers, and they do a pretty good job gathering followers who are not able to see what is going on there.

They are advised no to talk to media during the marches, for good reason.
90% of the sheeps are not able to answer the simplest questions on the topic, most of them dont even know why they are there.

It is like the organizers read the book "Hearding sheeps for dummies".
It works all the time, if you have enough parts of the population unhappy with their personal situation.

Funny that MaDalton is getting called names and uneducated, just because he is questioning and criticizing this movement.


One big argument that is being repeated all the time is, that islam (or all migration), is undermining social welfare. Social welfare in germany is working pretty good so far, something we germans can be proud of.

Problem is, that the welfare and aswell the pension systems are bound to collapse in a few decades max. And the problem is not migration, but simple demographics.
Without migration the welfare system as it is now, will just collapse sooner.

There really hasn't been or probably will never be the end of religions. You know, even from western countries there is somewhat highly religious countries like US and the "Pope countries". In less religious countries we will just assume that others are or will be the same as us, but it is probably wrong conclusion. Regarding this, the conclusion regarding certain refugees and their will to adapt, has been false too. We have made too much conclusions based on our own lifestyle, values and such. Not everybody share those, and never will.

And as everybody gets a vote in democracy, if there are enough folks with different views, that will also reflect to the legislation, customs and such.

Underdogs in europe? Well shit if you dont have any education, no language, no skills, do you really blame others for being the underdog? really wtf? living in Europe they have the same social privileges any european has, that's more then you can say about their slaughtered fellow countryman. And now they come to chop the head that feeds them?

Media has nothing to do with it. I can't educate people about this topic, I will not make anyone change their mind, but in 10 years you can come back to this thread and see that I said that whatever is happening in France today will be happening a few KM to the east or few KM to the west tomorrow.

just like a butthurt schoolboy, why am I not surprised.... I'm wondering how does the thought of penetrating a donkey comes to your mind, but Im not that intrigued so don't bother.