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brassmonkey 01-01-2015 08:37 AM
good lord :helpme 50 pop rockers

Family members told KHQ that Veronica Rutledge was visiting family in the north Idaho area. They say she was shopping at Walmart with three other kids, her nieces and nephews, when the 2-year-old boy reached into her purse and the gun fired. Tuesday evening we learned more information about Veronica Rutledge. We're told she has a degree in chemical engineering and works as scientist at the Idaho National Laboratory, which is just west of Blackfoot, ID.

UPDATE: Community, family in shock after 2-year-old accidentally - Spokane, North Idaho News & Weather KHQ.com

TrashyGirl 01-01-2015 11:05 AM
http://www.policemag.com/_Images/blo...ld-7rd-Mag.jpg

News article I read said it was:

9 mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield semi-automatic handgun

...which has a 6.5 pound trigger pull

Gun specs and photos

AaronM 01-01-2015 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20343984)
Look it doesnt matter about his irrelevent comment. Facts do not matter. Only made up stats do.

To me you are wrong. Hes wrong. Im right. Its simple as pie.

I see you've been talking with my Wife. :1orglaugh

Barry-xlovecam 01-01-2015 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TrashyGirl (Post 20344063)
http://www.policemag.com/_Images/blo...ld-7rd-Mag.jpg

News article I read said it was:

9 mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield semi-automatic handgun

...which has a 6.5 pound trigger pull

Gun specs and photos
Here is the reasoning
Why have a thumb safety on an M&P Pistol!
Quote:
Why have a thumb safety on an M&P Pistol!


Why would anyone want a thumb safety on an M&P so now bear with me on this? The M&P like the Glock is a striker fired weapon and there is no hammer to strike the firing pin which could possibly fire if the weapon were to be dropped but there is no hammer on an M&P!

While I do have one M&P that does have one just like my old model 59 it also has a mag disconnect the same as my model 59 but I bought it for a good price and don't even use the safety as it is unnecessary.

The only way a striker fired weapon will go off is if the trigger is pulled and with the cantilever or two stage trigger design that M&P has this almost has to be a purposeful act.

I own 5 M&P's 7 if you count the .357SIG barrels I have for my 40c and 40 fullsize and all are always fully loaded at all times even in the safe. I have had a Model 59 since 1982 and the same is true with it and it nor any other weapon has ever gone off without me pulling the trigger. Now I do chamber a round in them all and with the model 59 since it has a hammer I do engage the safety and disengage when ready to fire the weapon, it is natural as I am sure thumb safety is with those that carry the 1911 type weapons.

Can someone come up with a good reason to have a thumb safety on a striker fired weapon, I would sure like to hear it because I can see no logical reason for one in the first place!
And this: Why have a thumb safety on an M&P Pistol!

Quote:
If a striker-fired pistol was truly safe, nobody would be able to shoot themselves with one, but we all know that people do. I understand that some people need to carry a pistol in condition 1, but most of us really don't. I've heard all the arguments and I still don't buy them. If someone wants a thumb safety on their M&P, so be it.

There are still 10 commandments of shooting safety, keeping a semi auto pistol in condition 1 at all times is a violation of 1 or more of them. Period. Same for the older "cocked and locked" carry method for DA pistols. When did it become okay to ignore the rules of shooting safety? Who was it that decided this was okay?

Nobody asked me, but this is my opinion.
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The inside story of how an Idaho toddler shot his mom at Wal-Mart - The Washington Post

I guess she chose the option to buy the handgun with no safety for the above reasoning. :error (a fatal one). When you have young children and are a responsible adult -- you make the safe choice always. That irresponsible choice cost her her life, and traumatized her son for life. Happy New Year.

brassmonkey 01-01-2015 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20344153)
Here is the reasoning
Why have a thumb safety on an M&P Pistol!


And this: Why have a thumb safety on an M&P Pistol!



The inside story of how an Idaho toddler shot his mom at Wal-Mart - The Washington Post

I guess she chose the option to buy the handgun with no safety for the above reasoning. :error (a fatal one). When you have young children and are a responsible adult -- you make the safe choice always. That irresponsible choice cost her her life, and traumatized her son for life. Happy New Year.
yeah i have sum with no safety. no young kids anymore.

JD 01-01-2015 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20343189)
There is also the chance that she was carrying a revolver of some sort so only the safety had to be turned off and trigger pulled.
:error :error

baddog 01-01-2015 02:21 PM
The 2 year old was not armed; it isn't crockett science.

aka123 01-02-2015 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20344153)
That irresponsible choice cost her her life, and traumatized her son for life. Happy New Year.
The son won't probably remember anything. So he is not traumatized, at least not yet. He was involved in an accident, hopefully it is explained that way to him (at some day).

PAR 01-02-2015 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20342739)
Anyone ever notice a lot of this crap goes down at Wal Mart?
I was thinking just that...
Seems this is what you get for bringing a kids to Walmart...

elmy 01-02-2015 07:41 AM
Wallmart isn't good

aka123 01-02-2015 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20344153)
The safety prevents firing the gun when the trigger is accidentally pulled.

Here is a story from the time I was in the army:

We had a regular exercise and at the latter stages our instructor made us to simulate carrying a wounded man. We made a stretcher and carried the "wounded man" in turns, in some fucking thick woods/ swamp. Some of us gave their guns (assault rifles) and some other gear to others while carrying the wounded. Well.. one guy gave me his gun and at some point as I tried to get a better grip from the gun (I had one gun in each hand), I accidentally pulled the trigger and the result was a good burst while the gun barrel was pointing to my foot. Well, there was only ammo with wooden bullets and the bullets splintered on a metallic device and threw the pieces on the side, so no harm to me (or to others). In this situation I would have appreciated that the safety would have been on, and I should have checked that it is on. I don't even know why the safety was not on, because we didn't have any threat of "enemies" at that point, as we were merely returning to base from long battle exercise, when the instructor decided that this ain't over yet.

crockett 01-02-2015 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20344209)
The 2 year old was not armed; it isn't crockett science.
Obviously the title was satire and the shooting was the resualt of a irresponsible gun owner whom left her gun in a place and in a condition that allowed the 2 year old to get his hands on it and fire it.

Just like almost all airplane crashes are caused by human error, most accidental shootings are also caused by human error or better yet irresponsible actions.

k0nr4d 01-02-2015 10:05 AM
http://i.imgur.com/bfVldGe.gif?0

SuckOnThis 01-02-2015 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20344209)
The 2 year old was not armed; it isn't crockett science.
Yea, he shot her with his pretend gun dumbass.

blackmonsters 01-02-2015 11:43 AM
Stop all the talk about how the kid could pull the trigger.

When the gun is in a purse with all that shit in there all you have to do is
lean on the purse if something has slipped in front of the trigger.


If that shell was a lipstick tube inside a purse and you leaned on it with 6 pounds of pressure then...
http://www.balloongoesup.com/blog/wp...16_Glock19.jpg

420 01-02-2015 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20344950)
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If that shell was a lipstick tube inside a purse and you leaned on it with 6 pounds of pressure then...
http://www.balloongoesup.com/blog/wp...16_Glock19.jpg
Then you would have a hole in your new butcher block. God is a jerk for putting the mother in the path of the stray bullet.

baddog 01-02-2015 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20344940)
Yea, he shot her with his pretend gun dumbass.
I can't believe it; I fully intended on being a nice guy in 2015 and here it is, January 2 and I have to come across a fucking idiot like you.

You might want to look up the definition of "armed" you dumb shit.

armed
ärmd/
adjective
adjective: armed

1.
equipped with or carrying a weapon or weapons.


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