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I am not an enabler. |
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Thanks for coming in screaming, stomping your feet and throwing your toys around like a 3 year old. . |
Canadians are good folks, they'll walk away from a $400 million/day resource on account of it's dirty and all. pee-yew!
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Funny how the Canadians refused to allow the pipeline to run through THEIR country, and out to the international market, eh? BTW, here's some reading material for all of the corporate apologists and Koch brother deniers out there... http://kochcash.org/wp-content/uploa...rgo_Report.pdf |
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Oops, my mistake - looks like the corporate-owned Canadian government is getting ready to trash THEIR clean water and pristine lands now, too...
Energy East Pipeline: TransCanada's Keystone XL on Steroids » EcoWatch |
canadians are people too, a dashed line on a map doesn't change basic DNA. people are people.
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No harshness heard, or read, or whatever. Canada is pretty clean for the most part, but the Alberta Tar sands is a huge fucking disgrace. And Haper, our Primeminister, is a real fucking douchebag, especially when it comes to the environment. |
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If you measure it in lives lost and property destruction, Forbes says "truck worse than train worse than pipeline worse than boat ". Pick Your Poison For Crude -- Pipeline, Rail, Truck Or Boat - Forbes So in that case, pipeline doesn't seem so bad. If you want to compare how much energy is required to pump all that oil from Alberta to Texas, that would be cool to know. I honestly don't know. To me, a pipeline would seem to be the best way because it probably takes the least amount of energy, and SHOULD be the safest way way, and fastest way, vs train. On the other hand, a train is made up of segmented parts that are individually checked for leaks, and a single segment can be removed, unloaded and repaired in the event of a leak. Should it all leak out, you lose maybe 5000 gallons of oil or whatever those things hold. But if there's a leak in a pipeline, you dump 50,000 - 100,000 gallons or more because its (a) under lots of pressure, and (b) not always detected or found before the damage is done. I'd feel better if pipelines had a better history. |
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So sad .. but not surprising that you missed the entire point. |
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In other words, a pipeline encourages this idiocy - it ENABLES IT. No pipeline = No profit in polluting the world with this pond scum. |
At current prices you are correct, if it goes back up to $100+ its well worth it, in fact even at $80 its worth it. I mean I know all my friends that work in oil service industries are really just asswipes falling for the Koch brothers bullshit and not trying to feed and support their families but still might know something about it. :winkwink:
So maybe the Saudi's flooding the market and tanking the price is who people should thank if they don't want it. |
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Speaking of 3 year olds, when you were that age did you think 'when I grow up I'm going to be a foot soldier for the biggest polluters on the planet' or did that happen later in life? |
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The man is a complete tool. PLEASE lets Trade him for Obama. |
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You have such a hard-on for Obama and you are so fascinated with US left-wing politics why don't you just move to the US and join the cult along with the other brain-dead drones like BF3TK? Harper has done a much better job with his time in office than Obama has with his. Any objective person should be able to see that. But you are obligated by your extremely myopic left-wing eco-warrior views to hate Harper because he is an "evil conservative". . |
The Koch homies at it again... Got yall mufucas yappin about nothin much, while they pockets get fatter and fatter off this stagnant keystone shit. Heh.
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Where did that "Like" button go? :winkwink: Seriously, I'm only for the pipeline because Mark Prince is so dead set against it http://i.imgur.com/xeHaMzM.jpg |
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All I'm doing is asking WHY it is such a big deal to have it. It seems extremely risky because: - The oil it will contain is the most toxic kind of oil - Very long distance from source to tap - Passes through a major aquifer in the Northern part of the US - Less profit due to low price of oil which looks like it's here to stay for a while - Means more foreign oil for the US, and billions of US Dollars spent in Canada instead of the US - Only about 50 permanent jobs Where are the conspiracy-minded folk from GFY in this thread? Doesn't it seem like something ELSE is going on here? |
As a proud Albertan...The home of the tarsands. ..I can say that although the Keystone would be a nice to have addition to our distribution network, we are not terribly concerned either way. It's still coming out of the ground and we'll still sell it. To think the US doesn't need the oil is the pipe dream of hipsters and other idealistic fools.
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Mark you do realize that by using that logic NOTHING would ever get built. Everything that is constructed is built by companies that DO construction. When you have construction crews building a highway, for instance, it gives work to the company that contacted the job. Sometimes it takes years to complete projects. Money is constantly being pumped into the project. People working on it are making great salaries. And they SPEND that money (just like they always do) which helps the economy. After the job is done? They move on to the next project. That's how things work. Using your logic...nothing would ever be built because it doesn't employ people for LIFE to build that one thing. Of course that's not reality. I rarely see any hint of reality in these discussions. |
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There is already a pipeline that has been running for years...
This would be a new pipeline to double the capacity |
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