if posting deeply insulting comics, just for the sake of insulting/trolling/whatever, without any cultural or political good will, just pure trolling, is "the best journalism in france" then this is indeed very sad...

why is everybody blind to the utter stupidity of what they did in the first place, to provoke 2 idiots in to shooting them- a terrible crime but very very predictable considering the death threats and closing down of schools and embassies because they HAD to print muhhamed doing stupid irrelevant shit regardless of prior warnings of the government and their security agencies?

it was wreckelss and stupid...no 2 ways about it :2 cents: ...nothing to do with "free speech" just $$$ lets face it...nothing to do with promoting any noble cause whatsoever...just pure troll wrapped in freedom of speech packing...



why do you assume things and then try to hold me responsible for your assumptions?...

no victim character assasination just plain truth:

you wear a slutty dress without adequate male escort------> not very prudent

you put copper wire in electic socket--------> not very prudent

print muhhamed comic despite of governmen warning about imminent terror attack------->not very prudent


nobody deserves to die and/or get raped or whatever...but lets be adults and not do stupid shit? :2 cents:


dude im eastern european and atheist...1/4 of the planet just got alienated a bit more by the actions of 2 nut jobs and I put the blame on irresponsible journalism...I am calling out the "Freedom of speech" abusers who make life worse for everybody by posting POINTLESS SHIT CARTOONS just for lol-s...

I do not support any sort of violence whatsoever, nor did I imply this in any way shape or form...its just despearation and lack of any real arguments on your side that drives you in to thinking that I do...

Keep calling it deeply insulting/pure trolling, I see only one troll here.

here, this guy started a great thread, educate yourself :2 cents:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...een-paris.html

it's like being a porner, I don't like the fact that max hardcore represented our first amendment right to be porners, he's still a tard. But he did and paid a price for that.

just like this, those cartoonists and editors were sophomoric satirists at fucking best. Their schtick was vile, period. Nevertheless, they have the right to print it without fear of reciprocity. They paid a price for that and I don't see "journalism" as a whole crying like little bitches in a lopsided way that discounts the fact these guys were beyond insulting.

dude if a GOVERMENT asks you not to print stupid trolling shit because of concerns for general safety and they have to close embassies and like 20 schools abroad after that then seriously :1orglaugh

tell me something, if your government came to you and asked you, for the sake of the security of 100-s of innocent people, to not post a religiously provocative drawing, that is completely meaninless and not even remotely funny or important to the human race, would you post the drawing anyway?

I sure hope the OP never breeds. Fucking DICKHEAD!!!

where are all the black guys shooting up those white power dickheads who have been making and publishing racist cartoons for decades?

it seems everyone in the world has more sense than these "extremist" muslims. they act like children. they need to grow the fuck up and realize that the world isn't going to bend to their moronic whims.

but they are crybabies...

journalists have teflon coating...no responsibility sticks to them...but at the same time most of them will agree that the pen is mightier than the sword...you can literally start a war by controlling the media...

islamophobia is mostly to blame on sensastionalistic journalism...they satanize everybody from communists to africans to arabs , you name it, the media has made $$$ on bending the truth and inserting panic and fear and xenophobia...

the western journalists first satanized an entire religion, then then a small handful of them made deeply insulting comics about their satanized religion, and now they whine like bitches about "Free speech" :1orglaugh

its hilarious...not the deaths and the xenophobia...the journalist bitch is hilarious :1orglaugh

the french government has promised 1 million euro to the magazine to keep it going after the attack.

dude it was 2 IDIOTS...just TWO...one two...and you are painting a whole religion violent?

would you post the drawing if the government asked you not to for the sake of others and for the reason that the drawing is stupid insulting irrelevant shit? yes or no?

You say this all like you think most of us don't know that. yes, sensationalism sells news. It's been like that for decades now.
Nevertheless, regardless of whether or not those cartoonists were asking for it,

the outrage over the murders is real and justified and warranted.

Ask yourself the same question, you talk about how USA government coerces people into doing shit they don't want to do and that's why we're hated. So are you suggesting YOU would kowtow to a government and not print a silly cartoon that satirically blasphemes religion?

I am painting the whole part of the world where they come from violent. Their laws are archaic and barbaric. their people and their culture is being kept on a leash called islam. it seems their religion is keeping them from evolving.

if you think its only 2 people who are the problem...i don't know what to tell you. i am not saying all muslims are bad, just the fanatic ones though they all seem to have a stick up their ass and expect the world to change for them instead of the other way around.

Hmmmm, looks like a peaceful protest to me.

I don't see any guns, swords or bomb like thingys in the picture.
But it looks like a pack of wolves to you right?

I would never print a silly irrelevant no-talent bullshit cartoon if it was to endanger somebody elses life no matter how bullshit the reason is...

this is what gets me about the charlie hebdo group...they basically put 100-s of people in danger over "journalistic glory" or whatever...

how could they live with what they did knowing that embassies and schools are closed because of their shit? seriously what kind of people are they?

you need to go to some muslim countries and see that they are just like everybody else...maybe somalia and yemen and saudi arabia are fucked up but they are like 5% of the muslim world total...

asking the muslims to integrate is like asking the heavy metal crew to dress nice or girls not to wear miniskrts...its part of muslim culture to dress modes and be offended by profanity...respect your heavy metal and muslim brethren they are just different not evil :2 cents:

:1orglaugh

Easy to tell who the muslim in this thread is. Your prophet sucks dick; I saw a cartoon that proved it.

It was just 2 this time

I see your point; but there is no "white power" bombing killing 100k black people either so that's not an equal comparison.

eastern euro atheist studio boss...so I guess you are not clairvoyant? :1orglaugh

yes all phrophets suck dick btw :thumbsup

Yes it does.

Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...and The Philippines where the Moro Islamic Front has been cutting head...Abu Sayyaf taking hostages.... and the South of Thailand where teachers are murdered.. and parts of Nigeria... and Sudan... etc.

Anyway the majority of Muslims are indeed moderate but you're missing a big shift in mentality, radical groups who deem other groups of Muslims not radical enough baiting their own. Moroccans, constantly insulted, their sisters are westerners cum buckets, the country along with Tunisia is Qatar's brothel.

Instead of worrying about cartoons moderate muslims should be looking at how they are being bullied by a group of people who have hijacked the palestinian cause and play directly in the hands of Israel and Saudi Arabia :2 cents:

this is what I am talking about..."catroonists" and "artists" causing riots and 200 dead...the pen is truly mightier than the sword...and with a precedent of TWO HUNDRED DEAD PEOPLE the charlie guys in paris thought it would be a good idea to post more bovie excrement wrapped in "Freedom of speech"?

Am I the only one here to notice the utter stupidity in what they did in the name of """"freedom""""" :1orglaugh

dude they make up 1/4 of the planet thats 1.5 billion people...the USA alone kills more people in one month than these guys do in a decade...

they are just like europeans or americans...texas constantly bitches about mexicans bla bla the KKK has probably more members than alquaida does...white boys mcveigh and that nut job from finland killed more innocent people than any single jihadist...does not make the whole bunch bad :2 cents:

its just a few nut jobs on every side...the rest do not give a shit and would rather live in peace...

who killed 100K white people? you put the figure 100K so you must have a counter example?

WTF are you arguing about?
Who said anything about that?

:1orglaugh

:2 cents:

I don't even know why I'm posting in this thread when you don't even understand the simple saying of "The pen is mightier than the sword"
As it simply idicats that communication, or in some interpretations, administrative power, is a more effective tool than direct violence.

The Cardinal's line in Act II, scene II,

True, This! —
Beneath the rule of men entirely great
The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
The arch-enchanters wand! — itself is nothing! —
But taking sorcery from the master-hand
To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
The loud earth breathless! — Take away the sword —
States can be saved without it!

Anyways;
KKK is estimated to have between 5,000 and 8,000 members. How many of these members are currently shotting people and having fun blowing people up..?
Mcveigh wasn't part of the KKK and what happen had nothing to do with white power.
As for the guy in finland, he is/was 1 person.. There are currently 30,000-50,000 estimated members of ISIS
Al-Qaeda had/has enough members to keep a few well armed armys busy for years...
Total number of people killed by the groups combined over the years would be well over 100k (seems you like that number)

That said you have said only 2 thing that is correct.
1) Not all Musilems are bad.. Most are not, and it is a small % that are part of any movement.
2) The USA kills more people than than the militants do.. But I would not say they come close to killing more a month than the these guys do in a decade.
Isis killed 1922 or so people last June..
1,393 civilians, 380 soldiers and 149 policemen among the dead. Another 2,610 people were wounded, the majority of them civilians.

The amount of water (in feet) that would roar toward the city of Mosul if the Islamic State decided to destroy the Mosul Dam had it not been stopped..
Est population 1.5 million..

My brother. I extend the white hand for a shake with a man who understands. Some things just need to be over looked.

what about Edward ? :-)
THERE IS no Sharia law in France , THERE IS freedom of speech..feel insulted ? dont read it ? dont like Israel ? dont like USA ? draw cartoon about them, try to sell it...if you can...easy

That's the new standard to define strength, it means that you accept your emotions :upsidedow

who claims that ?
List of expeditions of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

btw. district 9 is good movie, i recommend it to all :winkwink:

http://uploadpix.files.wordpress.com...strict9-04.jpg

There is no protection from uncivilized people in society.

I'm still struggling to respectfully understand the OP's position.

the entire planet is supposed to brush off this insane event because, you know, it would be hypocritical to claim it's all outrageous.

not supposed to brush off anything at all...I am not defending what the terrorists did in any way...hope they got shot in the balls with a big caliber...

but I am wondering what kind of person would print a comic that caused the death of 200 people last time, keeping in mind that the comic has no value whatsoever other than the troll factor...

I am trying to envision the type of person I would have to be to put my broke ass views before the lives of protentially 100-s of people...

then the journalistic community, who had a field day with this whole thing, spreading fear and paranoia about the acts of a few crazy nutjobs...making $$$ on it since the first time it happend in 2005 when the riots broke out over the danish version....

it is strange to me how people do not see the utter iresponsibility in printing it again...

the human condition man. You've seen "saving private ryan", right? that movie was a success mostly because the theme rang true, it's human nature to sacrifice 5-6 guys to save 1 guy.
there's no fairness, no equality, nosense to life/civilizations man. you know that, you just have a overly harsh way of sharing that.

look, regardless, I think we can all agree that the entire event was horrendous. NO! People should not treat others like that, mocking them, making fun of them for profit, etc. yes, they make themselves targets. Yes, it's foolish, childish, and certainly is lowbrow and cheap.

but.

FUCKING BUT. !!!

What happened in reaction to that so far eclipses that. you know this too.

You know this too, it's 2015, people are going to make outrageous claims and cartoons and wtfever to get noticed. ONly cute girls on instagram can do that with cats. these guys do it with a truly outrageous act of barbarity.

that said, I also find it absolutely horrible that 4 more people died in getting these guys. and these ones had nothing to do with anything, I don't know who killed them for certain but it's my understaing they died in the police assault of the grocery store.

The were killed because the were Jewish

As always, thank you for the idiot's opinion.

Political cartoons, insulting ones included, have been a part of the world for centuries, during peace time and war. Normal human beings recognize them as part of the culture. World leaders including the Pope get lampooned. You don't see Catholics hunting down cartoonists and killing them. Because Catholics live in 2015 not 715.

When your country is a theocracy don't be surprised when your religious leaders are portrayed as clowns the same way presidents and prime ministers are portrayed as clowns. There is no other religion that teaches its' followers to murder non-believing blasphemers in the name of God.

The only thing I'll agree with is that knowing what fucking lunatics these people are you should be aware that insulting them may come at a very dear price, your life. So if I were a cartoonist I may avoid offending them because I value my life and dying at the hands of such brainless idiots would be such a retarded way to go out.

well, that's shitty. I hadn't read that. They might as well have been killed for being black eh.

OP..Is this what they refer to as Taqiyya?

congrats on that video...nice peice of "journalism"...its hard to find a video that is wrong in the very 1s second :1orglaugh

"all muslims think stoning is ok"

I had to stop the video at 0:02 LOL

so 1.5billion people think stoning is ok? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you guys are such victims of the media its sad to watch...those charlie guys have you scared like little girls :1orglaugh

i know their work for years, they had some bad stuff published, i never like them, but its not reason to kill anyone

Shows how open-minded YOU are. You didn't even bother to watch it all and see what all of it was about.

there are like 45 islamic countries total and of those 45 maybe 5 have stoning...

in those 5 that have stoning, it is rare and not as the media portrays it...it is a horrible thing, no argument against this, done by stupid shit heads, no argument at all, but it does not happen as much as the western media likes to $ay

the other 40 countries it is simply not reality...

I am not muslim I am eastern euro atheist and do not give a crap about allah jesus or spiderman...

You totally missed the point and I assume you still haven't watched the video. Anyway, it's not the first time I've been exposed to the fact that you can't carry out a FACTUAL argument.

You accuse US of being brainwashed by the media and generalizing based on what they tell us. Yet, at the same time, YOU keep pulling arguments out of your ass, telling us how benevolent Islam is, based on YOUR experience. The experience of ONE SINGLE PERSON. At least we, the brainwashed haters, have sources to refer to. Where are yours?

the video is wrong in the very 1st second :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ALL MUSLIMS THINK STONING IS OK :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dude...mulims make up 1/4 of humanity...there are 45 muslim countries and only 5 are fucked up...

your video is the intelectual equivalent of : ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE KKK :1orglaugh

your "source" of info is making $$$ on your fear :2 cents:

Moron, watch the whole fucking video and see why that caption is used at the very beginning. Surely your attention span can last about four minutes?

Pre-judging a book based on its cover only says that you can't be assed to take in any info, thus making you just as stupid as you claim the rest of us are.