You can only be insulted if you allow yourself to be insulted. No one else has that power unless you give it to them.. By allowing someone to insult you, you are giving them power over you.

YES!

?I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?
Voltaire

It appears your intellectual faculties are not firing on all cylinders. But just in case you get them fixed, try learning the difference between "choosing to" and "being forced to".

I won't hold my breath waiting though.

The only "lol" worthy thing here is you.

So are you a man of your word? You got the explanation you asked for. Did you pay off the infidel for $100? or is your talk cheap without honor?

i still think there is misunderstanding.

charlie hebdo is only 1 step less evil than the terrorists. sorry that you totally cant see it. Regardless of the right to speak, there are consequences to speaking. you cant just insult people & say, i have rights, leave me alone. Thats not the real world.

in the real world, people respond to words. as a result, there are civil penalties for speech. libel, slander, sexual harassment, losing your white collar job due to political incorrectness. in extreme cases, a person may decide to murder you.

Charlie had the right to speak. They are dead because they did, & in a free nation no government can do anything to stop future events exactly like what happened. So people need to understand there are limits on speech from human nature, not just the law. Charlie shoulda had a lot more guards given the game of roulette they were playin.

as far as letting terrorists limit your speech, i understand. there is an ongoing conflict about that, one which will never be won with bombs. Only civil evolution away from sectarianism & tribalism, & towards enlightenment & prosperity in the middle east, this is the only solution to terror. But until that problem is solved in 200 years, one must use their heads & recognize the limits & accept them, even if its wrong. provoking jihadis to come after you is going to result in them coming after you.

do you see where im coming from?

So Charlie Chaplin should have never made The Great Dictator and in case the Nazis would have shot him and the others that worked on that movie plus bombed cinemas that showed it, you would say: their bad, should have waited until 1945....

Thank you for this message Laurent.

Hard to believe there are idiots on this thread that are opposed to what they did but some people can't see the big picture. :2 cents:

You ever heard of no-go-zones?

So lets just say, fine, we dont mock with muhammed and the prophet. Do you really believe it stops there ?

Do you really think that is the only problem we have upon us? Is the real answer we should be more tolerant? Is that it?

Are these so called no-go-zones that I hear about just an illusion, a trick made by right-wing activists?

You refer to afghanistan, saudi arabia and yemen as where actual radical islam is happening. So then why cant I walk in certain streets in paris or london or germany without fearing for my life? It's already happening in our backyard.

European 'No-Go' Zones for Non-Muslims Proliferating

Pull your head out of your ass and wake up. But you right about one thing, journalists are being very irreponsible about all this but that's because they run the errands of political leaders.

As I said in other threads this is just the beginning. It will get worse.

the I am charlie crew be like:

"I am brave in the relative security of my western country, I will not be told what to do even though it will probably kill others. I will put 1000-s of people world wide in danger, knowing 100% that the last time somebody did it 200 people died, as a result of violent demonstrations and stoking on both sides.

I am fully aware my no-talent comics bring no value to the world other than my desperation to make $, but I am in FRANCE! who cares about the MILLIONS of people who are non-muslim minorities who live in muslim countries who will potentially suffer? HO HO HO LIBERTE EGALITE!"



wow what heroes!!!!!!!!! reminds me of the ""heroes"" who wanted to burn down a mosque in my city and a christian priest begged the rioters not to do it because: its easy to be a "hero" in a western country but tomorrow the burning of the mosque will be all over the news and minority christians everywhere will suffer because some SPINELESS CUNTS did something in a non-muslim country and made others pay for it wordwide

@squirrtt

the 100$ was offered to anybody who can explain the artistic value of the drawings...you have to give an actuall explanation that makes sense and this explanation must include the reason that their comics have actual artistic value...my argument is that they are no-talent broke desperate trolls without a molecule of talent between them

come on man...yes there is trouble in some parts but get real with the no-go-zones...yes I have read the articles and as always :journalists sell fear better than the truth...

So wait, all journalists are wrong, when they back up their pieces with footage and stats... But you are right, yet you provide fuck all for reference, aside from your own opinions. Based on alleged experiences no one here can even verify. In fact some members here, who have traveled to the "peaceful" countries you claim to have lived in, report totally opposite experiences to yours. Good to know.

"all" journalists? are you claiming ALL journalists think parts of london are no go zones? HAHAHAHAHA



a few flyers saying "sharia only zone" and a few losers marching the street once in a while does not exactly make it a no-go zone LOL




ok what members? exactly what countries?

is it the slappin fish claim about egypt in this thread? :1orglaugh the dude has never been in egypt in his life :1orglaugh

you must have a specific example or you are just another guy who has never been anywhere ect...

You know what, I'm getting increasingly annoyed by your blanket statements. How about you provide some proof of having been to those countries in the first place?

Besides, most of those news sources carry a lot more weight, especially the BBC, than the opinion of a self-proclaimed truth advocate, with fuck all to prove his arguments.

So unless you can provide some actual facts to back up the statements you're apparently pulling out of your ass, you'd best shut the fuck up. I have repeatedly tried to give you the benefit of a doubt. But you're nothing but a nobody who has nothing better to do than to troll around.

:1orglaugh

dude im 42 and travelling in around in europe, and to close by african and middle east countries, is something millions of europeans do...its not exactly a luxury or out of the ordinary...plane tickets cost like 200-300e max and I am not talking about them cheap fly companies

its not like I am claiming to have been on the moon :1orglaugh

I find it pointless to prove to you my ability for regional travel...

its not a blanket statement I have been to many islamic countries, they are geographically very close LOL

the media sells fear and sensationalistic stories...1/4 of humanity is not out to get you LOL travel the world a bit you will be surprised :2 cents:

If I look through the thread and read your answers it's pretty clear to me im wasting my time by posting more.

FYI: Journalists over here is doing all they can to make the muslim community look brighter but I have seen upfront what it's like and it's not any flyers in my face but only dispise towards me as a white cunt. Police, rescue people, mail men etc gets harassed just by showing themself in these areas. Oh and they get stones thrown at them too. Car fires 4-5 times a week. Yes muslims and other lowlife immigrants set cars on fire just to have a fire department over there and then spit on them.

Police needs to go hardcore on these individuals and then OUT with them. They lost all their priviligies by not showing any kind of respect to working people and draining resources deliberately etc.

If I were an immigrant in another country I would make sure to do my best and get somewhere in life.

No thanks, you keep living in your bubble.

In other words, you can't prove jack shit. Hopefully you haven't bred already and never will. I will stand by my opinion that these animals are a cancer and as such they should be eradicated. You stand by whatever the fuck you want. I'm done with you.

claim this in france and you are a right wing extremist

claim this in france and you are a nazi, you'll be sued, fined and eventually jailed if you continue...

My ancestors fought and died on the beaches in Normandy to liberate that country - it's high time they put away the white flags and agree that extremist Islamic terrorists ARE a cancer that needs to be eradicated from society.

(no wait nevermind, you explained it correctly)

(yes if he speaks about the extremists it's legal, but it would be illegal for all the muslims)

But it's OK for the islamists to march and threaten to eradicate democracy, in the name of Allah.

What a pussified society we're living in...

neither

you have the right to have moderate left ideas in this country, if not it's not politically correct ("stinky ideas", "racist", extremist...), while only 25% of the population has these ideas... That's how you are free in france...

As long as it is my constitutional right to argue my point, I don't give a flying fuck about what others label me as.

Yes, but i experienced myself a pretty strong social pressure just because i was a troll irl before it was called like that on the internet and this social pressure leads to exclusion.
Call this "my stupidity" if you want or my will to say the opposite of a boring society...

Anyway, the law is here not the point...
Yes, you have still the right to have your opinion and anyway the police doesn't have the means to prosecute you for illegal speeches as long as you are not too stupid (or too visible)

I don't have the same ideas as this (jewish) guy, but read this (in french):

Quand Eric Zemmour imagine la déportation des musulmans français - L'Express

(he claimed that before the attack)

So you mean the rest of society will ostracize me and I'd be living alone? Holy shit, that would be fucking awesome!

I feel the social pressure of my country pretty strong and for me this could lead to this, yes (if you are student, at school...).

the social pressure at work is different

:1orglaugh

Sign me up - I could use the peace and quiet. :thumbsup

Can we share a cabin in the woods? Perhaps near a lake or river, so I can go trout fishing every once in a while. Must have internet though, otherwise I'd miss fucking around on GFY terribly. :1orglaugh

unabomber spotted ! :helpme

My requirements are simple - fully-stocked beer fridge and maid service.

To the OP - apologies for derailing the thread somewhat. Your OP was an interesting read - thanks for sharing your personal experiences and opinions. :)

You're on the verge of being annoying. So it's okay to set cars on fire, throwing stones at service workers?

So there shouldnt be any particular demands on immigrants, they are all free to do whatever they like?

What's the whole point of your comment?

You don't happen to work for hollande ?

Stay safe guys... It's a difficult time to live in...

He's correct though. It's pretty much the same thing all over Western Europe. If you as much as speak out against immigration (Muslim or not) you're automatically labeled as racist. The fact that you raise valid points, such as the costs of immigration, huge unemployment rate among those having arrived during the past 5 years, segregation, lack of adaptation and inability to learn the language, doesn't matter.

The establishment will label you as a racist, because they're afraid that if they acknowledged your points then they themselves would be labeled as racists. But I'm sure you already know this, living where you live. :winkwink:

the problem is that many people do not differentiate, believe every bullshit they got told and at the end it boils down to "arians only" and you know what happened when we had that the last time

Yeah. Only next time it will be Muslims only, and that will make Hitler look like a saint. He only wanted a 3rd Reich. These guys want the whole world.

see - prime example for "do not differentiate" :winkwink:

don't know about you but i met quite a few people that come from muslim families and i have yet to meet one that wanted the whole world (or thought stoning is ok or similar)

some years back one of my best friends was a Kurd who drank alcohol like a camel and just didn't eat pork. he had some really sexy sisters and none of them wore a veil - more like tops and mini skirts.

i refuse to accept that all muslims per se are evil and want to kill me

no you just need to believe that somebody is out to get you...or you are such a poor beggar that the concept of local travel is unimaginable to you :1orglaugh

you are talking about criminals...I believe there are criminals in every country who will use any reason to make trouble: religion, skin color, football club affiliation ect ect...police need to crack down hard on scum...

but a large part of the muslim community is not criminal...in fact, a huuuuge part of the muslim community wants nothing to do at all with any hate or crime...muslims make up 1/4 of the planet and the only difference is they believe in a different middle eastern fairly tale than we do...they are homo sapiens...

It definitely had an impact on us all. With a greater intensity for you living there, I'm sure. Sad, interesting read.