Thank you for your thoughts Laurent. Very sad indeed. See you in Vegas.

I should've been more specific. I was referring strictly to Islamists, whose ultimate goal is a world encompassing Islamic state. That implies "Muslims only".

I have Muslim friends too and I have no problem with those. In fact, I have a few Muslim families as neighbors, they don't pray, have no problem drinking, don't care about Ramadan and are completely Westernized, short of not eating pork. Their kids go to the same school as my kids. And guess what, Santa came with presents to their kids too!

The majority of Muslims in the West are fairly adapted to the societies they live in and are much more liberal than the ones in their shithole countries of birth. Prime example, the millions of Turks living in Germany, of whom you're undoubtedly aware.

However, more and more of the less liberal ones are allowed to settle in the West. These refuse to adapt and have problems learning the language. Not only that, but as soon as they understand the concept of freedom of religion, they start feeling entitled to all kinds of help from the government. And they start enforcing their religious laws within the neighborhoods they live in, and ultimately within bigger and bigger parts of the country. All under the guise of freedom of religion. Which they simply translate to us having to adapt to their culture, instead of the other way around.

Just to clarify who are you calling SPINELESS CUNTS, it's not the victims is it?

I personnally don't care if they drink or not and for the moment, i have never been asked to change my behavior to comply with muslim standards.
The only thing that could bother me is that i have to pay taxes to pay the social security of migrants.
Anyway, wehateporn is right on a point, some people are ready to lose their freedom to prevent 20 deads per year while it would be unimaginable to do the same thing to prevent road accidents that are far more deadly

i do quite agree to this.

but let me give you an example why we have today more problems than 20 years ago - german example:

Hans Müller and Turgut Ercan went to the same school, have the same grades, finished together, apply for the same job. Guess who gets considered first?

Even though Turgut speaks german with no accent and considers himself as german as Hans is.

And that is why a lot of 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants are frustrated and turn into the wrong direction - whatever they do, they get the short stick - even when they did everything to adapt.

There are a lot of intelligent and well educated young people of turkish origin going back to Turkey cause there they have excellent chances for good jobs.

and that is OUR fault, not theirs.

and those that remain in Germany are the ones that drop out early and fuck everything up

now replace "turkish" by "algerian" and you know why they don't return in algeria

I believe some countries (Sweden?) have implemented trials where the name, nationality and sometimes gender of the applicant are purposefully left out of the equation, in order to combat discrimination.

I am not going to deny that there's racism and xenophobia in many Western countries. But how come some of these immigrants (even first-generation ones, having arrived as adults) do get ahead and succeed, while others claim racism and discrimination?

If you're driving up a hill then just step on the gas harder. If you simply blame the society for your own problems you're shit out of luck and aren't very likely to get anywhere in life.

Yes, it is our fault, but only in part. It's a two way street, we give you, but fucking give something back. If you resign to circumstances and refuse to work for your own success, what's the probability that you'll do well even if you get more help?

i can see that

they also tried the anonymous method in Germany and some day it might go into law

and while I agree to a certain degree to the rest, it actually applies also to a lot of germans that refuse to work and live from government handouts - while complaining about immigrants

like i said earlier - i just don't like generalizations

True. it's always been a problem for 2nd generation immigrants, now exacerbated by wider cultural differences.

Having said that it's a little too convenient for people like the Kouachi's brothers, Ahmed Merabet was also a 2nd gen not a brain surgeon and according to his family very proud to serve the public.

Many not very bright, sometimes plain stupid, people like the Kouachi brothers finding excuses for their own shortcomings.

I don't either. Again, the only problem I have with Islam is Islamism and the attempt to implement Sharia law in full, which would remove many of my freedoms and impose their culture/religion on me.

Other than that I do my best (although I'll admit that it's not always easy) to not pre-judge anyone, Muslims, Christians or what have you. At the end of the day I'm no more than human either.

absolutely - those guys were nothing but stupid criminals and there is not the slightest excuse ever for what they did - see what I wrote earlier in this thread about muslims having to deal with Mohammed caricatures without killing people


i have the strong feeling that something like sharia would never happen here in CZ - they even made a supermarket chain stop selling halal meat. eastern europe in general is pretty xenophobic

on the other hand i am a foreigner here that doesn't speak the language and my ancestors used to round czech people up and shoot them - that doesn't win you a popularity price right away ;)

And racist. Very often to large minorities of indigenous population, namely gypsies.

Uhm, you still don't speak Czech after so many years of living there? Now who's the one not being able to adapt? :winkwink:

Pro tip, if you spoke Czech then there'd be a lesser chance of being disliked for being a German. :1orglaugh

absolutely..

i know, i know - that's why i am always very careful when it comes to asking others to adapt :1orglaugh :helpme :error

At least you're not a hypocrite. :thumbsup

shooting unarmed people is a spineless cunt thing to do...I was referring to the 2 terrorists and separating them from any race or religion...