why does being realistic about challenges get translated by the dense as being naysayer.

y'all have heard about reality right? facing challenges means answering challenges.

welcome to adulthood.

well that's exactly why i would never consider getting an electric car

where I live there is no chance charging it - here's only public and very limited parking space

and i cant throw a cable down from 5th floor

Hydrogen (from renewable sources) makes much more sense when you want to dump gasoline - it's up to the industry to create the infrastructure, the technology exists already and will only get cheaper from here

Let who know? BMW? You know they didn't say that right? the article is fluff, you might want to get up to speed on the topic before you try and be a dickhead.

not to mention quite a few other people in this thread feel the same way that BMW has no intentions of dropping the ICE, be sure and quote them all and be a dickhead some more.

in case it matters - BMW means "Bayrische Motoren Werke" - like bavarian motor manufacturing (or something like that)

while they indeed try hard with the i3 and i8, their gasoline engines are still for lots of customers the primary reason to buy them

they would lose clients easily in the double digit percentage if they stopped selling them

like 50% or more

Wow, that simple huh? Is that the best talking point they gave you in your AGW alarmism manual?

You do realize that the heating potential of CO2 is logarithmic, right? It does not have unlimited potential to heat the earth. Most of the warming caused by CO2 happens in the first 20 ppm. At current levels, and at levels much higher still, the extra heating caused by CO2 is negligible. That's why the earth has never had a runaway greenhouse effect even with CO2 levels as high as 8000 ppm.

http://i.imgur.com/MlWtnCn.png


Yes, there is a lot of pollution there. But that is smog and fine particulate matter. That is not CO2. It is real pollution like SO2 and it is a real problem. CO2 is not pollution.

If you do some research you will find that here in North America and most of Europe the air and waterways are much cleaner than they were 100, or even 25, years ago. For the most part things have been getting better not worse.


Yes that was a terrible accident. But you cannot reasonably use that as an indication of overall pollution levels or as justification for shutting down civilization as we know it.

Besides that no technology is without its problems or potential negative environmental or health impacts. Not even your beloved electric cars:

Study: Lithium-Ion Batteries Can Impact Environment, Health Negatively


Yes, probably true. But you do realize that oil naturally seeps into the environment all of the time, right? In fact oil is a natural product of, and a part of, the environment. Oil extraction should be no more or no less scrutinized than extraction of any other natural resource. We just have to learn to be a little more careful extracting and transporting it.


You're not serious are you? Either you need to rephrase that or you need to go back to basic high school physics. If you have such a flawed understanding of something so basic it's no wonder you are so easily fooled into the whole "CO2 is pollution" dogma.




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i noticed you didn't post in my today's sunset threads.

life a beach **********, dig it.

beach life in California

http://i.imgur.com/ySpqr9M.jpg

Eon:

Your graph is incomplete.
CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas.
I didn't say China is full of CO2. You said the air is cleaner. I shared that pic.
Oil DOES naturally seep into the ocean - but its the oil companies that cause all the damage.

But besides all of this, are you saying everyone should just ignore what scientists are saying, and go ahead and forget all about pollution controls and energies alternative to carbon?


Dynamo:
If only your pretty California sunsets were representative of the whole world. Unfortunately it is not.

Same question: Are you saying that everything is "ok", and that we should just go ahead and keep burning everything?

Not sure how much running you do Mark, carrying a phone / charger / cables is definitely not a great idea at all.

i agree that FLorida beaches are not as beautiful as Cali beaches.

My point is we can address problems, hurdles, road blocks and issues without having to portray doom&gloom on such a dramatic level. IN fact, I think that sort of things gets in the way of progress. You know I agree with you fundamentally on most things, I disagree with your making it all out like there's no joy in the world, you know, on account of global warming. and then you back that up with a crappy picture. L-pink lives in Fl and he posted a FL sunset pic-

http://s21.postimg.org/ypgcqskef/DSC00085.jpg