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blackmonsters 01-10-2015 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20353532)
you arm chair swat guys crack me up.

that was a textbook assault. there wasn't any finesse planned. look at the video again. the entire plan was to open that door and brute force bum rush inside with overwhelming #s and kill the terrorists and that's what they did.

:2 cents:

These people watch too much TV.

pornmasta 01-10-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20353357)
much less than in Moscow in 2002:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Ouvéa cave hostage taking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you can read french:
Prise d'otages d'Ouvéa ? Wikipédia

directfiesta 01-10-2015 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20353545)
I totally disagree. the terrorists already killed 12 by hand + 3 of the innocent people in that grocery store.

there really isn't any option at that point. can't negotiate with that. can't wait it out, cut the electricity etc.

so the only strategy was brute force. After that, the fog of war clouds the event. The fact is those guys ARE professionals and they successfully completed the mission.

strange ... I agree with you :helpme

blackmonsters 01-10-2015 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20353542)
A very stupid tactic. How can you kill a terrorist, staining behind a hostage and using him/her as a live shield? The French special forces acted like idiots on that video. These are not professionals.

Yeah but while you were eating snacks and watching porn the "stupid" people went out and got the job done.

:2 cents:

just a punk 01-10-2015 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20353756)
Yeah but while you were eating snacks and watching porn the "stupid" people went out and got the job done.

Yes of course, but such a work can be done by the same amount of people armed with stones in a Hollywood way (100 people with stones can surely beat two terrorists). Watch the 3rd video from my post above. There were 3 kidnappers. One has shoot towards the police and got the shoot back (a single bullet which killed him), two others where taken alive. Can't you really see the difference?

blackmonsters 01-10-2015 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20353771)
Yes of course, but such a work can be done with the same amount of people armed with stones in a Hollywood way (100 people with stones can surely beat two terrorists). Watch the 3rd video from my post above. There were 3 kidnappers. One has shoot towards the police and got the shoot back (a single bullet which killed him), two others where taken alive. Can't you really see the difference?

I can see that I served in the Army and used weapons and trained in raid tactics and
I therefore have enough skill in it to know that I don't know shit.

You on the other hand don't realize that you don't know shit.

:1orglaugh

just a punk 01-10-2015 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20353781)
I can see that I served in the Army and used weapons and trained in raid tactics and
I therefore have enough skill in it to know that I don't know shit.

You on the other hand don't realize that you don't know shit.

I was serving in the army too (it's a mandatory thing here). I'm an officer in reserve of the Russian army and I have no guess how it can be related to this thread. This thread is all about police (not army), isn't it? So what are you talking about?

klinton 01-10-2015 04:26 PM

this is the best Russian military video that I've ever seen :1orglaugh


shoot twice 01-10-2015 04:38 PM

I was sent the following:

I question a world that has capacity to talk about 12 French victims Charlie Hebdo but not the 2000 Nigerians killed by Boko Haram this week?

2,000 Nigerians were killed by Boko Haram this week: Boko Haram May Have Killed Thousands in Attack, Say Experts - NBC News

blackmonsters 01-10-2015 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shoot twice (Post 20353813)
I was sent the following:

I question a world that has capacity to talk about 12 French victims Charlie Hebdo but not the 2000 Nigerians killed by Boko Haram this week?

2,000 Nigerians were killed by Boko Haram this week: Boko Haram May Have Killed Thousands in Attack, Say Experts - NBC News

You know the answer to that.
Not even debatable.

pornmasta 01-10-2015 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20353771)
Yes of course, but such a work can be done by the same amount of people armed with stones in a Hollywood way (100 people with stones can surely beat two terrorists). Watch the 3rd video from my post above. There were 3 kidnappers. One has shoot towards the police and got the shoot back (a single bullet which killed him), two others where taken alive. Can't you really see the difference?

no...
Here is the story:
- they killed these 12 people at the journal
- the next day the black guy kill some apprentice police woman while the 2 brothers were in their car chased by the police.
- one more day later, the 2 brothers met the police on the road, they shot and flied to an enterprise that works in printing
- the french tv reported the news and soon later, the black guy and someone else (that is for the moment unknown) decided to take some hostages in a jewish grocery (the video that is displayed here)
- the black guy tried to negociate the freedom of the 2 brothers, so the lifes of the hostages were threatened if the police decided to attack the 2 brothers (it was also thought that the 2 brothers had themselves a hostage, but he hid himself successfully)
- at this point i don't know if the police decided to attack the 2 brothers or if it was the opposite


- but since the lifes of the hostages in paris were endangered, they had to attack the other terrorist in the same time, so they brute forced the situation.

The 2 brothers are dead so like is the black guy, there is someone else but i don't have informations on him/her

pornmasta 01-10-2015 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20353781)
I can see that I served in the Army and used weapons and trained in raid tactics and
I therefore have enough skill in it to know that I don't know shit.

You on the other hand don't realize that you don't know shit.

:1orglaugh

another one ? (not me, but you are not the first)
Do you have a rank in the russian army, cyberseo ?

David! 01-10-2015 05:09 PM

Arm chair quarter backing at its best as usual on GFY.
The cops knew what was going on inside the store, they had access to the live security feeds and someone inside the fridge was texting the police what the terrorist was doing.

When that piece of scum started praying, that's when the cop stormed the place, they knew where he was and they aimed right at him. They knew that 4 hostages had already been killed and they knew that over a dozen were hiding and they knew where the hostages inside the store were.

That bastard got what he deserved and that's the end of the story!

American Psycho 01-10-2015 05:56 PM

Ok lets just get one thing clear guys arguing here.
The only elite forces are us special ops forces.
The French and Russians suck. Yeaaa merica!

Seriously u Fuckwits that say this french team is amateurs are surely clueless

That takes guts and they clearly got a tough situation handled albeit they a did look a little like stoogse in the video.

shoot twice 01-11-2015 02:48 AM

Well I'm Watching the news and it's obvious they're going to whip this into another 9/11. I just can't imagine what they're going to do to us at the airports now!

Probably full body cavity search with a complete medical X-Ray and subsequent security interview

just a punk 01-11-2015 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20353846)
Do you have a rank in the russian army, cyberseo ?

Yes, I'm LT.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20353832)
The 2 brothers are dead so like is the black guy, there is someone else but i don't have informations on him/her

As far as I have seen they even didn't want to take them alive, that's unprofessional as well. No one in France want to know who was behind those guys?

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Originally Posted by American Psycho (Post 20353883)
The only elite forces are us special ops forces.

You wish :) They never been and never will be. Look at Israel, Turkey and Russia - the countries that have "problematic regions" and where the special forces doing their job everyday.

bronco67 01-11-2015 05:34 AM

The first guy in = BALLS

just a punk 01-11-2015 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20353803)
this is the best Russian military video that I've ever seen :1orglaugh


A good video, BTW :thumbsup

Slappin Fish 01-11-2015 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20354052)
As far as I have seen they even didn't want to take them alive, that's unprofessional as well. No one in France want to know who was behind those guys?

Paris terror arsenal: Kalashnikovs, rocket launcher, grenade

$50 000 worth of equipment, repeatedly expressed the wish to become martyrs, you don't want to give them a chance to blow anything up. shoot to kill.

But what do I know you are obviously an experienced special forces badass :winkwink:

ITraffic 01-11-2015 06:26 AM

i see some guys who had some balls. you don't know what kind of weapons they really have or if they are going to suicide bomb themselves.

video games and reality are two very different things.

pornmasta 01-11-2015 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20354052)

As far as I have seen they even didn't want to take them alive, that's unprofessional as well. No one in France want to know who was behind those guys?

There is no life penalty in france and when somone do this kind of thing, at the end the terrorist is usually dead. I can't tell that this result happens on purpose but it's usually what happens.
There is also a pretty common idea (at least among journalists) that a lawsuit gives a tribune to the one who is prosecuted and that it can be used for the sake of terrorist propaganda.


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