Reagan worked very well with other leaders. He worked with the other side in politics as well. Carter had people in his own party that didn't want to work with him. After the gas rationing, he became very unpopular.

But I will say one thing about Reagan, his speeches were legendary. He brought the people together as a whole, not divided by party!

I still remember getting the word we were heading home the day after Reagan took office. We were between the fleet and the coast during the 444 day war for almost 6 months to protect the fleet.

Gas prices are down. The moment they rise all the charts will look worse as well. Nothing is fundamentally different so we are in the same cyclical mess as always. Single payer healthcare, real student loan reform, etc would have a more meaningful impact.

this is an unrealistic statement Robbie, the military has ALWAYS deafened a nation states interest around the world (trade routes). not sure why you wouldn't know that?

I agree that he gave great speeches (just like Obama). But I disagree that he brought everyone together.

I remember the news constantly attacking him every night. Newspapers wrote articles hating on him. He was pretty much HATED by liberals.
They would say he was "out of touch" "too old" "confused"...I remember reading that he and Nancy Reagan sat down regularly with astrologers and fortune tellers and that he was influenced by all that on his policies.

Hell, even popular music attacked him. Remember Don Henley singing: "This tired old man that we elected King"
Or Genesis and the video to "Land Of Confusion"

No, I don't remember it quite like that at all. This was the way Reagan was treated by the liberals of society:

The only reform student loans need is to not have them backed by the government and make them cancelable in bankruptcy

How can you not say that makes someone very smart, if they know to surround themselves with the right people and work with others, that's pretty smart.

I didn't mean he wasn't a smart guy compared to the average person. I just meant relative to the people surrounding him.

Many times a great leader isn't the smartest guy in the room. But he has the ability to get the smart guys to believe in him and follow his lead. Reagan had that gift for sure.

I grew up around Republicans, didn't see liberals really till I got in this business.

The cold war ended because of his policy, I can't think of a more liberal thing.

I had a couple conversations with gays that say they hated Reagan, they said he was anti gay, he couldn't even say the word AIDS till 87 according to them. They were misinformed

Reagan spoke out against the Briggs initiative that would have made it illegal for gays to be teachers

Reagan's secretary was asked about aids in 83 and the answer was it was at the top of Reagan's list and in 85 Reagan was asked about AIDS funding and Reagan said that the government had already funded 500 million toward research. Remember his best friend was Rock Hudson and that he did serve as the President of SAG. Not a position of someone anti gay.

These are the actions of a liberal person, so if the liberals had a problem with that, they can go fuck themselves. Reagan was a very progressive president in many ways.

Yeah he's my favorite president, I'm getting married in the same church that he did this summer and my daughter served on the USS Ronald Reagan.

Everyone's income is down. Our net worth is down too. But that's not because of Obama, that's because of the recession that hit during the last administration.

This is where the Republican party fails.... They want to roll out every freaking possible excuse. "Oh, we need to adjust the way we've been doing unemployment for the past sixty years" or "We need to look at the people who have given up looking for jobs" or "the labor force is less". My favorite is "welfare is at an all time high". This is all bull shit and smoke screens. We do not "suddenly" need to adjust the way we figure out unemployment, but if you insist let's do it - all it's going to do is push ALL of the numbers up, and you will still see the same trends. The labor force is less because our labor force is older, and more people than ever before have retire. And I never understood this "People have given up looking for jobs" - Well, if that's the case, I guess they didn't really need them.

And then there is the welfare thing. That's funny. People didn't go on welfare because Obama is in office; People went on welfare because they lost their jobs and then lost their houses. And that wasn't because of Obama.

Obama isn't superman. Unemployment isn't down because he's a genius; It's down because it couldn't get any freaking higher. The economy isn't up because Obama is a genius, the economy is up because it couldn't have gotten any more worse.

Nah. Let's not accept the truth. Let's just spit put bullshit numbers to confuse everyone. Or let's just "insist these numbers aren't correct" and insist we have to "use a different method to get better figures".

That's two large reforms and I agree on both counts, but I'd go further.

I'd add transparency laws with teeth so all schools need to release the percentage of revenue spent on current students each year. I'd do away with 'college degree requirements' on most governmental jobs. I like Obamas community college act idea, if it can be tied to minimum credit requirements and standardized testing minimums because it creates downward pressure on low end school pricing. I'd regulate the incoming class size of schools based on the employment records of their last 4 years of graduates and create other initiatives designed to incentivize schools to help student gain employment post graduation.

There are a lot of things that would help. Charging 200K for a degree with no employment on the horizon just so they can securitize and sell student debt the way they packaged and sold mortgage debts isn't good for the country. :2 cents:

I gots me fiddy jobs ;)~ even though they tried to squeeze me Im back on the tax radar

Look at the wealth gap and what the source was. The RTC is the same thing. He pretty nuch set up the US to fail by a huge debt somewhere down the road. Not a great legacy.

only 5.6% ?

Under Obama, the middle class has got smaller and the rich have got richer.

Median wages have dropped 8% and the upper class has increased 10%.

In LA, they are taking down mansions to put in bigger mansions.

Under Reagan, the middle class grew and the median wage increased $4,000

Do you always pull your facts out of your ass?

The rich have got richer under Obama, the top 10% median wage has increased under Obama, while the rest of us it has dropped

Incomes fell for most families in past three years, while top 10 percent prospered: Fed - Washington Times


But lets not confuse everything with numbers! LOL, Fuck you are really funny sometimes acting like you know anything about what we are talking about!

not blaming Obama, just stating a fact :2 cents:

Come on guys...Everything that is wrong in 2015 is all George W. Bush's fault.
And so was everything that was wrong during Bush's presidency too.

Everything that was right during Bush's presidency, was thanks to Bill Clinton and lingering Pres. Carter and Pres. Johnson actions

And everything that is doing well in 2015 is thanks to Pres. Obama's wise handling of all things (building off of the incredible wisdom and past actions of all other Democrat Presidents from the past)

And oh yeah...I almost forgot...The Koch Brothers and Fox News are also to blame.
Thank God for Rachel Maddow and Ed Shulz and Al Sharpton.

Don't blame them, everything they know comes from one book!

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/...546706260.jpeg

sarcasm?

and where are the conservatives now who have a touch of liberal in them? Reagan would be run out of the party these days with all of the inmates running the asylum.

Jesus you are so fucking brainwashed. You remind me of a a Religious fundamentalist, it's the same brainwashing and same attitude.

What happened at the end of the Bush presidency brought us to our lowest point in our lifetimes - it brought us (and the rest of the world) down to it's knees. Exactly ten out of twenty hours on my street were vacant because of this, and all of my friends were like walking wounded looking for jobs. I'm not saying Obama is our hero or our savior; We couldn't have really fallen any lower the one thing required to fix all of this is the one thing we handed Obama on a golden platter: time. If it wasn't Obama it would have been someone else.

man, oh man, oh man

Round and round we go, arguing politics, the world's most unproductive pastime. It doesn't matter who it is, PhD's from think tanks, politicians in the highest office, people on Internet forums - nothing gets solved, all just sophistry with a lot of misinformation and distortions.

The student loan problem is a pet peeve of mine. Kids are exploited, brainwashed from we're little to believe a college education is what will make us successful and respected adults. The numbers of kids who go to college and don't get a degree is staggering, they walk away with no degree and tens of thousands of dollars of debt saddled to them - how smart is that, the age demographic who spends every dollar they make which is great for the economy is deeply in debt they can't get out from under.We let kids who are not ready to make big decisions decide to go to college and get into programs that there really aren't jobs for. We should be telling kids the truth - tell the kids what the real odds are of the degree they're paying and working for producing a career for them, that they couldn't have without spending $100,000 to go to college.

Obama has the right idea with community colleges - that's where at least half of college students should be. They have programs that actually teach marketable skills in the workplace. Learn how to do bookkeeping, learn how to prepare taxes, learn how to be an event planner, learn how to be a front end web developer, how to be an audio engineer, learn how to be a veterinary assistant etc etc

It's a status thing and it is damaging - I remember when I was in high school and university, community colleges and the kids who went to them were looked down on as 'losers', the smart kids went to universities. I had one in the town where I grew up - we called the community college as teenagers facetiously 'Knowledge College - where the coconuts grow' or something like that lol I know a bunch of people who went to that school for their radio and television program and most of them have had great careers in front or behind the camera/microphone.

Why doesn't the government give out $100,000 loans to 18 year olds to I don't know, invest in the stock market, start a restaurant, create video games - because it would be money down the toilet but we do it when it's in the name of getting a college degree.

I personally think it shouldn't be community colleges getting the new govt. handout...it should be vocational technical institutions that actually teach a SKILL.

Community colleges aren't gonna get that done. But at VoTech school not only teaches a skill but helps place students in real jobs.

Community colleges in Canada have lots of programs that teach real world job skills and help place students in real jobs. I think they are part 'VoTech' schools.

I hear a radio ad all the time, it's for a welding school, the ad claims that we have a real shortage of welders and the jobs out there waiting pay pretty well.

Same place as the Blue Dog Coalition

Moderates have disappeared from both sides, instead we have a polarized nation, made even worse under Obama.

We use to have that in High School, at least way back when I was in school. I took welding classes off campus.

But then again, My daughter went to a community college during her senior year earning college credits and finishing her high school classes. It was called College connection.

Made worse by people like you whom do nothing but find bad in everything the president does. You can't even make a single comment with out bitching and moaning about Obama. You are so obsessed it's pointless to argue with you as no matter what.. Obama, Obama, Obama..

Replace the word "Obama" with "Bush" and then take a look in the mirror.

i have that idiot on ignore, he still thinks he's talking to me?

but this is new, now that they have been called out on the facts and polls, they are called on the whole calling race card and it's fox news that's to fault and after 6 years it's not bushs fault anymore, it has become that i have nothing good to say. i guess the ignorant fuck didn't see where i approve of opening relations with Cuba. I just know it will get fucked like everything else he had good intentions about.

But that's why i have him on ignore, he has no clue, no imagination and thinks every one other than the president is at fault.


I love where he says it's pointless to argue with me, since I have him on ignore, what a fucking moron

Lol! You know what? You're not even joking. That old prick Mitch McConnel (sp) is already claiming that the GOP run house and senate are responsible for the great economy.

So many republicans in office are terrible, terrible liars. They don't even try to hide their BS anymore. And yet, Vendzilla....

Vendy, this graph is bullshit. First, its published by "The Independent Journal Review". For someone who claims they are not conservative or republican, you couldn't have picked a more conservative or republican "source" for your "information". It is , owned by a company founded by two well-connected Republican political consultants, former Tim Pawlenty adviser Phil Musser and Alex Skatell, a former staffer for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

The site is focused on framing, not reporting.

What you should do is get the REAL source of data for things like this : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Good luck.

Mark you should have searched U.S. Bureau Of Labor Statistics for yourself before you posted. You really make yourself look foolish:

http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/...d_M12_data.gif

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

The labor force participation rate is very, very low. It does skew the unemployment numbers.
To deny that is to make your other arguments not even be taken seriously.

Amen Brother!

Ok, I'm confused. What is "labor force"?

When I see reports like this:

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/fil...lic/1.9.15.jpg

It looks like there are more and more jobs added every month since Obama took office.

If this is wrong, then what am I missing? (I'm not trying to challenge you or poke you in the ribs, just asking a genuine question).