i know what he thinks. lol he's too lazy to type. (i think hes winded from his last post)

average conversion rate? well my sites dont update frequently anymore as i have chosen to move to hardcore, so i couldn't give you the numbers. but i do recall comparing them many times during their lifes with all the other sites. and they were always in same ball park .. well with other sites with similar popularity . looking at conversion rate has always been rather pointless to me.. the smaller a site is, the better it will convert, always been like that since the beginning of time. this is why beta does well, this is why people complain about manwin, etc - the bigger you get, the lower your conversion rate will be. when my conversion rate sucks, i know i've made it. everybodys seen my stuff. my content is everywhere.

btw i never said conversion rates are always the asme, i same price per member, which is a stat you can see in ccbill for how much money you make per member, which has to do with rebills.

whats your tgp site? so i can check out your trade partners. i can tell you why an old model might do better but i suspect you know why this is the case sometimes

Zishy is at a lower price so that is a bit of a different set of parameters. It's a $7.99 sale vs a $25-30 sale. Zishy has to rebill a lot to make up the difference. But the customers are rebilling a few months to get you to $10.53 per member at that rate. I'm not sure why FTVGirls wouldn't rebill they have some great content on there. Top models doing the naughtiest things.

Hehee - he likes to speak for me, I don't mind. But what is the question here? Bods is the same as you as an affiliate, the old NN stars sell best on Bods, Nikki, Patty, Brooke etc

NN sells best on Bods - the 2 latest Prism Cash NN girls, Lilyxo and Shannynxo have sold great, the best new solo site girls for Bods in the past 2 years.

The average payout on Zishy on Bods is $5.59, also remember that there are some multi month memberships mixed in at 19.99 i think sp those sales I think are $7.99 commission - so Zishy isn't really even rebilling 1 full month on Bods, just short of it.

I agree, I think Doug has done some fine work with Prism Cash.

I haven't promoted Zishy, yet, so I don't know the numbers. I just hope he does well because I like what he is doing. So I guess that is conjecture on my part.

Take into account, mutt and i's membership costs are 29.99. Much higher than normal, as thats the cost you have to have if you want to expand. Good companies typically do. I see even EPC has sites at 39.99

Yes doug has. If you can succeed from scratch in 2014/2015, you know what youre doing. Doug's a great webmaster. Though he is catering to the type of traffic he has internally and through trades. As thats the best avenue for him.

I love Zishy, I approached him about shooting something for me long ago but he wasn't interested in doing what I wanted. Then Doug asked him to shoot a girl for him, Zishy said it would be $500 per photoset :)

Yep if only that site could get more graphic (most of it being in the members area), the potential would be MASSSIVE. It would take over the web. Shame he has no interest in it

I like his work enough that I would've probably paid him that. He shoots just dead on with the flash but he does it perfectly. He's an artist.

Him and John shoot the best photos in this niche by far based on my personal opinion.

John's great, he makes girls look beautiful and happy, Zishy has a totally different style and people *think* it's not hard to shoot, but it is, it's more than just the dead on flash.

Its not that its hard, its just that his style is what people happen to like in porn as its refreshing. Most skilled photographers dont stay and focus on making their photography look amateur. They go more and more professional to showcase their talents.

What is hard about it , is holding back from wanting it to look more and more professional. As a photographer myself, even if you know its not exactly what the fans care about, you care more and more about the technical part of the photography. He puts that aside

I'd say its just more unique than difficult or skilled

Yeah ill take a photographer who can make girls look good over a more skilled photographer anyday, both zishy and john's photography does that to girls. very very few in the adult industry make girls better than they are. actually i'd go as far as to say, they make them worse. obviously not talking about no makeup to makeup, moreso just what another photographer could do with their makeup and wardrobe vs them

Color, framing, wardrobe, location, poses. It's not all amazing, but whose stuff is? Zishy is consistently eye-catching. It looks like American Apparel ads.

That's the art. I'll take that over only day-lit stuff in a rented mansion where the sets are indistinguishable. "Okay now sit on the couch" (Snap 200 photos.) "Okay now stand by the window." (snap 200 photos) "Okay now stand by this... old piano... I guess."

We've all been guilty of boiler plate shooting, and sometimes that's what you have to do when you are paying a day rate, have an uninterested model and need the sets to close out the shoot. It takes some artistry and inspiration to accomplish what he is doing, and I'd agree with giving him credit for that.

we're all giving him credit, its just not really skilled or hard, its just having an eye/artistry/and sticking with amateur. and not caring about profit. which he does not, which hes admitted himself. he didn't care if he only made a bit of extra money. and re: poses, wardrobe, location, all come with just taking more time and shooting less in a day

in this industry, artistry has never paid off. lol 2000 cookie cutter pics from a good photographer will sell more than 20 amazingly unique photos. ive tested quality vs quanity many times before. most programs dont go the route of continually putting out cookie cutter stuff just because they can't do anything else, its done because it gives the owner the most bang for the buck. it also gives them a higher chance of succeeding out of the gate

this isn't an industry for artists. ;)

thankfully sometimes when you have enough money and arent so obsessed with money and taking it to the next step/or have other sources of income, you can take the time to do things how you want. i have a feeling if you started in 2014/2015, you wouldnt' be spending all the time you do making those little short films you make with your models ;) haha

:Oh crap It was a sexy piano, though!

http://i.imgur.com/CAjfZH8.jpg

http://www.solorevenue.com/piano1.jpg http://www.solorevenue.com/piano2.jpg

what are you trying to say phad :( lol

Old and dusty, just how I like 'em!

THERE IT IS!

http://partyallstar.com/forum-pics/Piano.jpg

Yeah what red blooded American guy doesn't know a girl who had an old piano in their nice house, and was always teasing them by playing piano. Man, all this talk about piano is getting me fired up

Alex = Alexa.com

:thumbsup :thumbsup

This thread is fascinating to me, I haven't pushed solo since Lightspeedcash in 2004.

Time to begin again :winkwink:

Welcome to solo girl sites.

I see your site is ccbill , I will put some links up :thumbsup:thumbsup

John's always done amazing work.

Zishy makes commissions for quite a few affiliates. I MIGHT be able to make more money doing things differently, but at some point we all need to rely on our own intuition. I like art and all, but what I really care about is what is sexy and appealing. It is rare that I encounter these qualities on the typical adult site.

are those real boobs? were they augmented or not? just curious.

they are real

Thanks hun! Since the daily cam shows, the conversions have increased 2 fold :winkwink:

How about Destiny Dixon? (destinydixon.com)