melting pot is a historically term. it was a phrase used to represent a period of time over 100 years ago. the goal/thinking was a homogeneous society.

certainly you don't want that.

a bit on melting pot:


this is not the desired goal! :1orglaugh

interesting quote that also relates to the topic:

Analyzing the "racial masquerade" that was involved in creation of a white "melting pot" culture through the stereotyping and imitation of black and other non-white cultures in the early 20th century, historian Michael Rogin has commented: "Repudiating 1920s nativism, these films [Rogin discusses The Jazz Singer, Old San Francisco (1927), Whoopee! (1930), King of Jazz (1930)] celebrate the melting pot. Unlike other racially stigmatized groups, white immigrants can put on and take off their mask of difference. But the freedom promised immigrants to make themselves over points to the vacancy, the violence, the deception, and the melancholy at the core of American self-fashioning".

The general take on melting pot for most Americans, and how I see it, is a non segregated society where my black neighbors, or neighbors of any ethnicity/sexual orientation, can live in my neighborhood without prejudice. Everyone has a unique background, we're all Americans. Divide and conquor will always be the MO for people wanting to make a buck on our minute differences as human beings. Gonna be like that for a few hundred more years probably :2 cents:

clueless idiot :2 cents::2 cents:

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A melting pot is a metaphor for a society where many different types of people blend together as one. America is often called a melting pot.
asshole!

lolz, I'm adding to the dialogue here, no need to get defensive simply because you're a uneducated dolt and incapable of carrying on an adult conversation.


the borg would like to meet with you, you're stupid enough to fit right in there.


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that's what I'm commenting on, the general take on the term distorts the facts, history and idealogy behind the thinking.

it was a goal of making everyone more white and american.

total assimilation:

why I would be called an asshole for commenting on the etymology of a fucking term is so completely fucking bizarre.

is that a black thing? or just an uneducated thing?

both prolly.

nothing like an ignorant black to distort history so as to argue for racism and call someone an asshole for pointing out the racism of a term.

what an ignoramus.

http://i.imgur.com/myMEr0F.jpg

the melting pot myth was that, in theory, everyone was welcome, even the tired and the poor. Each would enrich American culture. Each would embrace the idea of a common identity. Each would adopt and eventually achieve the ?American dream? of freedom and prosperity.

The bad part of the melting pot was its rationalization of racism and intolerance. The melting pot metaphor writes off racism as a temporary transition period for minorities. As each culture is melted into the American culture, racism and prejudice fade away for that particular group. But history shows that immigrants and other cultural minorities have not been welcomed. And racism and intolerance are not temporary, but rather chronic, conditions of American society.

The End of the Melting Pot | Results Accountability

US has always been a salad bowl, not a melting pot.

That depends on where they are from. Mexican is NOT a race. They are either White hispanic or Indian Hispanic.

You can easily see the difference.

Two reasons I never have, or will, use that term in regards to race/culture relations:

1) I HATE salad, just hate it. I'm not a rabbit

2) Salad bowl brings to mind tossing salad, :Oh crap

Melting pot is best. I think of cheese when I hear melting pot. I like cheese, melted cheese, of all types. yumm :thumbsup

Melting pot is not just becoming like "white" people, it's also "white" people becoming part of everything else, it goes both ways :thumbsup

I'm from California, we're more a bowl of granola.

Sharpton is a racial opportunist, in the wake of the Sony hack when those purportedly "racist" emails came to light he persuaded Sony to employ him as a "Consultant on Race Relations" at I'm sure a hefty fee and now he sees the opportunity to get his grubby little mitts on the rest of the movie industry.

And Lord how the money rolls in :1orglaugh

lolz, you're posting from newport beach. easily one of the most gentrified cities on the entire planet.

No I'm posting from Monarch Beach where I live, in South Orange County.

ok.
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http://i.imgur.com/vVGios7.jpg

5 year old race statistics, and?

Also, I GUARANTEE you, it's not 17% Hispanic here :thumbsup

My son went to school at Dana Hills High and he was a minority.

oh lord bring in the gfy race charts :helpme:helpme

I guess what I am saying is it's odd to me to see you clinging to a term that defines a failed bigoted idealogy because you don't like salad. :winkwink:

solution, step the fuck up, be a black man that high quality people would like to associate with instead of a creepy black hood rat crying about getting fucked over by the man all day long .. just sayin'... you know?

what's wrong with the latest census result? are you saying there's been a fundamental shift is the # of blacks in dana point?


that % of hispanics is dynamic, it depends on the # of landscapers commuting in to trim your lawn(s). :winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh and to invalidate my experience, in my neighborhood.

I know it's a hard concept to grasp but definitions change, as do ideologies. Bigoted is bigoted. If you see my explanation of multiculturalism living happily side by side in my neighborhood as not a bigoted melting pot then great, if not, then so be it. I could tell you stories about my black neighbors sons' struggle assimilating to living here after living in NY all his life but that doesn't fit the agenda of current "strained" race relations in America :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm not surprised you'd discount actual facts and reality.

I didn't invalidate your experience. YOu stated you intend to continue to use the term "melting pot" for various reasons, I pointed out your'e doing that from a highly gentrified town.

that's actually validating your experience. :)

You are aware that most hispanics identify as, and tick, white right? SOURCE

It's the quality of people in a neighborhood that define it's value.

multi-culturalism and melting pot are not interchangeable. 2 entirely different theories.

The dictionary disagrees with you

melting pot
Syllabification: melt·ing pot
Pronunciation:
Definition of melting pot in English:
NOUN

1A pot in which metals or other materials are melted and mixed.
EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.1A place where different peoples, styles, theories, etc., are mixed together:
a melting pot of disparate rhythms and cultures

that has nothing to do with my reply you are quoting, which wasn't a reply to you.

nevertheless, not sure where you are trying to spin my comments to, my comments here are

1. the etymology of the term melting pot is different that most think

2. Orange county coast is highly gentrified.


that's it. that's all I've stated here. Oh, and I've also pointed out assmonkey for being a ignoramus.

where in that definition is the word multi-culturalism?



hint- it's not anywhere in that definition.

the difference between multi-culturalism and melting pot

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Both multiculturalism and melting pot are terms that relate to the subject of diversity in society. These are two different outlooks on cultural diversity. The main difference between multiculturalism and melting pot theories is whether separate cultural groups should be encouraged or whether a country should have one basic cultural norm.

I haven't said anything to you to warrant this sort of shit. not to mention your distorting my other comment into some sort of questioning your experience.

you keep it adult and I'll keep it adult too. see assmonkey for details.

Nah you were trying to throw shade on me as being either bigoted or ignorant of the old meaning of the term melting pot, not it's current definition in modern society :winkwink:

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Last post here educating you dude man you're a lot of work trying to weasel yourself out of this

"place where different peoples, styles, theories, etc., are mixed together:
a melting pot of disparate rhythms and cultures"

Put the two underlined words together: disparate cultures - different cultures - multi cultural

Definition of disparate: essentially different in kind; not allowing comparison.

You're welcome :thumbsup

no, i was actually trying to add some humor to the topic so you would know I was trying to be chatty about a topic that interests me on 2 angles- etymology and cultural diversity.

Nevertheless, the fact you took my comment as an insult means I could have worded it better and for that I apologize.

I'm not weasling out of anything, I'm contributing.

perhaps some others reading this thread will appreciate my contributions to the thread.

Here's more on when the shift in embracing theories happened:

"Some Western countries such as the United States had more of a melting pot mentality about diversity before changing to a more multicultural policy by the 1980s. Many factors lead to changes in decisions about whether to back the melting pot approach or the multicultural aspect. Tensions between dominant and other cultures and questions about what constitutes equality are common motivators to rethink a society?s position on cultural diversity."

thank god you dont run things :2 cents::2 cents:

Sharpton is on a tack to become one of the top ten biggest assholes of the past 50 years.

He's currently just one rung back of Falwell in fact.

Who are #Oscars Voters?

-94% White
-77% Men
-2% Black
-2% Latino
->.5% Asian, Native combined

Oscar Voters: 94% White, 76% Men, and an Average of 63 Years Old - The Atlantic

there might be a connection..

at the same time: feeling entitled to be nominated based on color is stupid as well