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just a punk 01-24-2015 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369026)
German rocket scientists in Moscow.

Thank you for this so important information, <sarcasm> I really didn't know that some of German rocket scientists were working on Soviet space program </sarcasm> :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20369031)
holler back when you learn how to even attempt to build and launch a reuseable rocket like the shuttle.

Buran (spacecraft) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Horatio Caine 01-24-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20368998)
Are you so stupid to believe in those ratings? Look around. Almost everything the US have achieved was done by emigrants from other countries. Also how can you speak about high education if yours available for rich kids only (here in Russia it's free for everyone)?

Its called academic scholarships, dumbass. Plenty available for smart kids including for those from overseas.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrapahqQ1e1qatw1l.gif

Horatio Caine 01-24-2015 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369029)

Boris thinks they built everything from scratch. Including nuclear systems and rockets. :1orglaugh

dyna mo 01-24-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369034)
Thank you for this so important information, <sarcasm> I really didn't know that some of German rocket scientists were working on Soviet space program </sarcasm> :thumbsup



Buran (spacecraft) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:1orglaugh

yes, that's russian high-tech, a reusable rocket y'all only test fired 1 time! never relaunched/reused.

but your posting it here as a win. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 01-24-2015 08:44 AM

more on that

It was treated as a Soviet space shuttle but only the plane itself was theoretically reusable, and while it was recovered successfully after its first orbital flight it was never reused. The expendable Energia rocket served as its launch vehicle.

The flown Buran spacecraft was destroyed in 2002 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome, when the hangar it was stored in collapsed.

just a punk 01-24-2015 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20369041)
Its called academic scholarships, dumbass. Plenty available for smart kids including for those from overseas.

I'm talking about a whole education system but not about some rare cases. How many kids in the States use it? What's about your own kids? Are they getting high education for free, or they are not smart enough to use academic scholarships?

For example, my son is studying in National Research Nuclear University (MEPhI) for free and even gets paid for that by the government (studentship).

BTW. Do you have some kind of free academic medicine for smart people as well? :1orglaugh

just a punk 01-24-2015 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20369046)
yes, that's russian high-tech, a reusable rocket y'all only test fired 1 time! never relaunched/reused.

Because just like your shuttle it's very expensive in comparison with old good rockets. If you haven't noticed, the USA also don't use shuttles anymore and bet on classic rockets like Russia. Buran was made only as a proof of technology, but it has no commercial benefits. It's all about money - nothing else.

dyna mo 01-24-2015 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369058)
Because just like your shuttle it's very expensive in comparison with old good rockets. If you haven't noticed, the USA also don't use shuttles anymore and bet on classic rockets like Russia. Buran was made only as a proof of technology, but it has no commercial benefits. It's all about money - nothing else.

shuttle program was never designed to be a never-ending program. just like the ISS.

but again, the shuttle system was a success and it;s inaccurate to portray it as unreliable. it was thoroughly reliable.

MaDalton 01-24-2015 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20368971)
Yeah, it's always easier to buy a specialist than to grow him (tells a lot about your education system). Even your space program was done by Nazis - something to be proud of :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369034)
Thank you for this so important information, <sarcasm> I really didn't know that some of German rocket scientists were working on Soviet space program </sarcasm> :thumbsup

glasshouses, stones etc...

MaDalton 01-24-2015 09:28 AM

basically: none of you would have been in space that early without ze germans :P

xKingx 01-24-2015 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369078)
basically: none of you would have been in space that early without ze germans :P


True both countries stole top German scientist after the war.

Horatio Caine 01-24-2015 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369053)
I'm talking about a whole education system but not about some rare cases. How many kids in the States use it? What's about your own kids? Are they getting high education for free, or they are not smart enough to use academic scholarships?

For example, my son is studying in National Research Nuclear University (MEPhI) for free and even gets paid for that by the government (studentship).

BTW. Do you have some kind of free academic medicine for smart people as well? :1orglaugh

Rare cases Boris? At least 50% of all students have scholarships and for places like MIT its probably more like 90%. You aren't getting into MIT or Harvard with 2.5 GPA no matter how much money you have. They have academic standards and hardly need extra 100K to keep you dicking around. I had 3 academic scholarships in UM and hardly paid any money my last two years in school.

Horatio Caine 01-24-2015 09:54 AM

Is this magnificent structure like a student union or the grandeur entrance into the most prestigious research facility in Russia?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...C_12.12.12.JPG

Bladewire 01-24-2015 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369078)
basically: none of you would have been in space that early without ze germans :P

I haven't met a German or Australian I didn't like :thumbsup

Used to watch the Hogans Heroes TV show after school when I was a kid. It's not until you get older that you realize how society tries to slant things a certain way through media & entertainment :1orglaugh:1orglaugh










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just a punk 01-24-2015 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20369090)
Is this magnificent structure like a student union or the grandeur entrance into the most prestigious research facility in Russia?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...C_12.12.12.JPG

These are the gates (the university buildings are inside the secured area, because it's a strategic object), idiot :1orglaugh

P.S. This university has its own Radiation-Accelerator Center (RTC) (yes, under ground right behind the gates shown at your screen) + a lot of branches across whole Russia.

BTW, you didn't answer to my question: no free high education for your kids? Not smart enough? :winkwink:

just a punk 01-24-2015 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369029)

You continue amazing me :) How exactly both cases are related to the rocket technologies (a fatal mistake of attendants during fueling and depressurized during landing)?

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369076)
glasshouses, stones etc...

Are we talking about ordinary engineers or about real scientists behind the space programs? Von Braun (the USA) and Sergei Korolev (the USSR). Both persons were keystones for the Soviet and US space programs. Who cares about their apprentices? No Nazi SS scum Von Braun -> no US space program. No Sergei Korolev -> no Soviet space program. Is it really that hard to understand?

Horatio Caine 01-24-2015 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369095)
These are the gates (the university buildings are inside the secured area, because it's a strategic object), idiot :1orglaugh

P.S. This university has its own Radiation-Accelerator Center (RTC) (yes, under ground right behind the gates shown at your screen) + a lot of branches across whole Russia.

BTW, you didn't answer to my question: no free high education for your kids? Not smart enough? :winkwink:


I make too much money for it to be free but she does have 4.0 GPA in private school and will have academic scholarship in Ivy League sollege. Thats how capitalism works comrade. Number of blacks, poor white kids and native Americans get in free.
Speaking of "free education" in mother russia whats this about, idiot. Kids not smart enough?

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Oh and I would pick Morgan or Grambling State over this kind of shack on any given day

http://mfei.ru/i/separate/alekseevskaya_mil_2.jpg

OneHungLo 01-24-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369116)
You continue amazing me :) How exactly both cases are related to the rocket technologies (a fatal mistake of attendants during fueling and depressurized during landing)?



Are we talking about ordinary engineers or about real scientists behind the space programs? Von Braun (the USA) and Sergei Korolev (the USSR). Both persons were keystones for the Soviet and US space programs. Who cares about their apprentices? No Nazi SS scum Von Braun -> no US space program. No Sergei Korolev -> no Soviet space program. Is it really that hard to understand?


America > Russia ---> Is this hard to understand?



:1orglaugh

just a punk 01-24-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 20369128)
America > Russia ---> Is this hard to understand?

What exactly? Your stupidity for paying much higher taxes, having no free education and no free medicine? :1orglaugh

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20369123)
I make too much money for it to be free but she does have 4.0 GPA in private school and will have academic scholarship in Ivy League sollege. Thats how capitalism works comrade. Number of blacks, poor white kids and native Americans get in free.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/lol/Obama-lol.gif

Horatio Caine 01-24-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 20369128)
America > Russia ---> Is this hard to understand?



:1orglaugh

You saying you don't want your kids to get prestigious degree from Nuclear Institute of Lower Tula in Russia? :1orglaugh

MaDalton 01-24-2015 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369116)
You continue amazing me :) How exactly both cases are related to the rocket technologies (a fatal mistake of attendants during fueling and depressurized during landing)?

Are we talking about ordinary engineers or about real scientists behind the space programs? Von Braun (the USA) and Sergei Korolev (the USSR). Both persons were keystones for the Soviet and US space programs. Who cares about their apprentices? No Nazi SS scum Von Braun -> no US space program. No Sergei Korolev -> no Soviet space program. Is it really that hard to understand?

why always resort to personal insults - you cannot stay civil?

Korelev - russian father, ukrainian mother, born in the Ukraine - later colonel in the red army - before that begging to Stalin to relieve him from the Gulag where he was put for allegedly mismanaging money

Von Braun - member of the SS - obviously not one of those that executed people personally but for sure someone who didn't care that others did and didn't care what happened around him and how many people died as long as he could play with his rockets

this is actually not a contest who is the better person - we're just stating facts - and fact is that both the US and Russia plundered the German rocket program after the war for personnel and material

just a punk 01-24-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369139)
why always resort to personal insults - you cannot stay civil?

Sorry, personal insults to whom? To Von Braun? Don't you agree that he was an SS Nazi scum?

MaDalton 01-24-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369140)
Sorry, personal insults to whom? To Von Braun? Don't you agree that he was an SS Nazi scum?

to me - as it has become usual for you by now - for insinuating i am stupid in almost every post towards me

Horatio Caine 01-24-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369139)
why always resort to personal insults - you cannot stay civil?

Defense mechanism of stupids :2 cents:

just a punk 01-24-2015 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369142)
to me - as it has become usual for you by now - for insinuating i am stupid in almost every post towards me

When exactly I called you stupid? You have posted a link to an article which said that some German engineers were working for Moscow. Is it something new or what? Why did you post it? I bet there were captive Soviet (and not only) engineers who worked for Von Braun on his V-2 rockets (you know, the SS scum has personally picked captives to work for him). Does it change anything?

P.S. As about Soviet rocket technologies. Famous Katyusha was made in 1939 and w/o German engineers.

dyna mo 01-24-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20369078)
basically: none of you would have been in space that early without ze germans :P

and ze germans would not have embraced and advanced rocketry if it were not for Robert Goddard.

:winkwink:

dyna mo 01-24-2015 11:18 AM

In the spring of 1945, Goddard saw a captured German V-2 ballistic missile, in the naval laboratory in Annapolis, Maryland, where Goddard had been working under contract. The unlaunched rocket had been captured by the US Army from the Mittelwerk factory in the Harz mountains, and samples began to be shipped by Special Mission V-2 on 22 May 1945.[61]

After a thorough inspection, Goddard was convinced that the Germans had "stolen" his work.

pornmasta 01-24-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20368823)
His actions. He does everything to destroy Russia from inside (doesn't matter what he says).

http://s-mahat.ru/pict/050_08.jpg


examples ?

https://sidfernando.files.wordpress....nd-putin-2.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...ny_140412g.jpg

just a punk 01-24-2015 11:23 AM

^ This is one of the examples, actually :2 cents:

MaDalton 01-24-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369147)
When exactly I called you stupid? You have posted a link to an article which said that some German engineers were working for Moscow. Is it something new or what? Why did you post it? I bet there were captive Soviet (and not only) engineers who worked for Von Braun on his V-2 rockets (you know, the SS scum has personally picked captives to work for him). Does it change anything?

P.S. As about Soviet rocket technologies. Famous Katyushaas made in 1939 w/o German engineers.

like i said - start talking civil to me and not in this condescending tone and we can discuss

the way you talk to me above? not interested

dosvedanya

pornmasta 01-24-2015 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369155)
^ This is one of the examples, actually :2 cents:

you posted a picture of putin and jews (i guess to demonstrate something), so i posted a picture of putin and muslims, to demonstrate the opposite.
I guess that the economy of russia is better (at least) now that it was with eltsine, i'm not a fan of putin, but i don't see a proof that he tries to destroy russia

just a punk 01-24-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20369159)
you posted a picture of putin and jews (i guess to demonstrate something), so i posted a picture of putin and muslims, to demonstrate the opposite.

You've got it wrong. It was to demonstrate my suspicions about CIA or Mossad. It has nothing to do with Jews or Muslims as religion groups.

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20369159)
I guess that the economy of russia is better (at least) now that it was with eltsine, i'm not a fan of putin, but i don't see a proof that he tries to destroy russia

Only because the oil price was very high all the past time.

pornmasta 01-24-2015 11:32 AM

and yes, the economy of russia is based on oil and gas and not on technologies (if you except weapons) and that's why the rubble is so low...
Also if someone leaves russia to go elsewhere, it means that russia is unable to keep its scientists (just like Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia under nazi germany)

pornmasta 01-24-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369162)
You've got it wrong. It was to demonstrate my suspicions about CIA or Mossad. It has nothing to do with Jews or Muslims as religion groups.
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so you see a picture of putin and jews and it demonstrates that putin is linked with the mossad or cia (why cia ?) ?

Also why would he want to destroy russia ?

just a punk 01-24-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20369164)
and yes, the economy of russia is based on oil and gas and not on technologies (if you except weapons) and that's why the rubble is so low...
Also if someone leaves russia to go elsewhere, it means that russia is unable to keep its scientists (just like Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia under nazi germany)

Not Russia as a country, but our corrupted government headed by Putin.

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20369165)
Also why would he want to destroy russia ?

Have no idea, but everything he does, is directed against the interests of my country.

femdomdestiny 01-24-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20369140)
Sorry, personal insults to whom? To Von Braun? Don't you agree that he was an SS Nazi scum?

Why do you ask this? Can't you see until now he is German and nazi sympathizer, just like his eastern european colleague from Finland ?

MaDalton 01-24-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20369171)
Why do you ask this? Can't you see until now he is German and nazi sympathizer, just like his eastern european colleague from Finland ?

a very serious and heartfelt go fuck yourself

(and next time when we meet please don't talk to me)

pornmasta 01-24-2015 11:45 AM

i don't really understand your answer, you can be corrupted without being linked to the mossad and you can be a corrupted president and rule for the good of your country... you are just more like a ...king than a president.
Also, you don't know how is used the money stolen by corruption.
In france, politics use often the money to pay political campaigns, not to have a bigger car... It doens't means that it is acceptable or legal, it is just underground.

pornmasta 01-24-2015 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20369171)
Can't you see until now he is German and nazi sympathizer

he is far to sound like a nazi for me...

Mutt 01-24-2015 11:52 AM

Von Braun had no choice, you just didn't turn down an invitation/order from the Third Reich to join the SS. If you did you may have been signing your own death warrant at any point down the road. He was arrested, jailed and interrogated by the Gestapo as it was.

The U.S. and Russia were in a race to get the best of the German scientists for fear that if they didn't the other country would - and they would have. Most went to the U.S., after what Germany did to Russia they rightfully were scared shitless how the Russians would treat them.


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