The students are supposed to be respectful of the rules and the teacher.

The students should have better parenting.

Shitty parents + shitty kid = bad teacher? That math doesn't add up.

didnt watch the video. i dont think schools should be parents :2 cents::2 cents:

BTW....The teacher deserves a bonus and a raise in pay.

Somebody has to when the parents fail to be parents themselves.

they aren't mutually exclusive. bad parents + bad teacher + bad student = physical altercation.

the math works here.

if it were based on the student's actions, then that student was in control of that classroom, that's wrong and the fault of the teacher for losing control of his classroom.

remember all is opinion and not law :2 cents::2 cents:

Dude, no offence but you have come to some abnormal conclusions here. It would be interesting to see how a teacher can always keep control of a classroom in a rough black neighbourhood in Detroit, for example. Interesting to see if you can always blame the teacher for losing control of the classroom.

I wonder if you'll try teaching some day and find out the answer in a place like that.

Black community is so known for its parenting skills and moral standards

there's nothing abnormal in examining this event and concluding everyone involved can learn from it. What's abnormal is concluding that there is nothing that the teacher can gleen from what happened to learn to be a better teacher.

the teacher is smarter than the student and expected to be able to not get entangled into a power struggle with someone who is not as smart.


Teacher can use strategies to avoid power struggles in the classroom | Virginia Commonwealth University Training and Technical Assistance Center Newsletter

Teachers who recognize that they are feeling drawn into a battle with a student have a responsibility to take steps to end the power struggle. The following is a list of strategies and considerations that may help when tensions begin to rise (Fecser & Long, 2000; Russell, 2010; Schindler, 2002; Shahbazian et al., 2005; Walker, 1995; Wright, 2000).

Misbehavior or Mother Nature? ? Is the behavior developmentally normal for this student? If so, going head-to-head with a child for simply being a child will almost always cause conflict. For example, adolescents are likely to challenge authority and assert independence frequently. Getting angry about it will not solve the problem, but fair and consistent rules and consequences, delivered in a neutral tone, will help to shape behavior in the future.
Later! ? Choosing to walk away from a heated exchange allows both parties to cool down so that they can have a more reasonable conversation at a later time. Teachers can effectively redirect a student during a power struggle by restating an expectation and leaving the student to make a choice. After the fact, the teacher and student can discuss what happened and try to understand what was behind the behavior so that the teacher can better support the student in the future.

The last word can be lethal. ? Trying to get the last word can be a recipe for disaster. As the teacher is shouting a comment to the student on his way out the door, there is nothing to stop the student from ?topping? the teacher?s last comment. We can only be sure of our own behavior and responses, so gambling on how a student may respond to a parting comment is risky. His last word may be more than the teacher is prepared to handle. There is no benefit to upping the ante in a power struggle.
Is anybody listening to me? ? Teachers may feel the need to raise their voices during a power struggle to dominate the conversation. Raising your voice is nothing but an invitation for the student to do the same. A better approach is to speak to the student privately, out of the room if at all possible. The power struggle is less likely to escalate if it becomes a quiet and private conversation between adult and child.
Sarcasm isn?t funny. ? Often students do not understand the subtleties of sarcasm, either because it is developmentally beyond them or the comment sounds more like an insult than a ?joke.? Teachers can avoid creating stressful situations by eliminating sarcasm from their language while in school. The misunderstanding can start or inflame a power struggle with a student.

Save face. ? Ultimately, this is the goal of both the student and the teacher in a power struggle. The best way to save face is to get out of the power struggle. The rest of the class is observing the exchange and sees what pushes the teacher?s buttons and recognizes the out-of-control behavior. In the long run, this can be damaging to the teacher?s credibility with the class.

Don?t sweat the small stuff. ? The scenario in Ms. Wright?s room is a good example of how getting overly involved in a relatively minor refusal can snowball into a much larger issue. Before making demands of students, teachers should ask themselves if it really matters that the student is standing behind his desk instead of sitting in his chair, or if he starts on the last part of the assignment first. If it won?t change the instructional outcome, there is probably not a good reason to insist on compliance.

Set limits but avoid ultimatums. ? There is a difference between telling a student, ?I expect you to get started with your assignment,? and ?You need to start your work right this minute or you will lose recess for the rest of the month!? The first allows the student to make the choice but the second sets up a direct challenge. If the child still refuses, is this a threat that most teachers are willing to follow through on? What would the consequences be for not following through? This is really a no-win situation.


Take charge of yourself. ? As stated earlier, most teachers continue power struggles because the student?s behavior has struck an emotional chord. If you realize that you are feeling angry at a student, take steps to calm down before continuing the dialogue. Managing your own emotions will help you approach each student in an impartial and supportive manner.

I'm losing hope, I can't believe there are people defending the kid and his property rights. It's a CLASSROOM, there is an ADULT in charge of CHILDREN in that room, the teacher has a right to run his classroom in the way he chooses so the students get an education. Part of school is preparation for LIFE as an adult, there's work to be done and there's a boss who makes the rules for behavior in that classroom,we call them teachers. If the teacher's policy is phones aren't to be used during class or the phone gets confiscated then that's how it is.

I've had my desk turned over with me in it by a volatile 65 year old teacher, been kicked hard by a female teacher in the ass, given the strap by an old principal with an eye patch whose hair, fingernails and everything else on him were stained yellow from nicotine, had a Bible thrown at my head by a religious school teacher ...... I more or less deserved it, no real harm was done and my parents didn't run to the school administration, they assumed right that I had been acting up and deserved punishment.

This kid needs to be charged with assault, then off to juvie hall.

:(

just pathetic

according to this article, power struggle in the classroom is the responsibility and fault of the educator.

Chapter 20: Conflict Resolution and Power struggles

using knowledge and wisdom and experience put into protocol to avoid classroom power struggle is pathetic to you?

from the National Education Association:


Avoiding Power Struggles with Students
The dos and don'ts of dealing with classroom confrontations.

many educators have developed strategies for dealing with confrontational students. At the top of the list: “Never get into a power struggle,” says Mary Barela, a middle school teacher in Fort Collins, Colorado. “You are the adult and know better.

NEA - Avoiding Power Struggles with Students

A Report by the American Psychological Association Board of Educational Affairs Task Force on Classroom Violence Directed Against Teachers.


Understanding and Preventing Violence Directed Against Teachers


Educators should be prepared to identify early warning signs of aggressive and violent threats (see Warning signs of youth violence), reacting from an effective response repertoire. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has compiled a list of resources that is a great resource for schools.

When equipped with best practices training, empathic caring and a supportive administrative staff, a proactive and knowledgeable teacher is his or her own best protection against threats of student violence.

The ignorant cunts in here defending the kid are truly hilarious.

I love watching dyna mo waste his time trying to prove a non-existent point.

Kid got charged with assault, the law has already spoken.

No idea.

I just want to live around civilized considerate ''good'' people who are responsible.

Whether that is black, white, Asian, or Hispanic. Doesn't matter to me.

What I don't want to live around is people with garbage culture, loud, ignorant, thieving, lying, in denial, pieces of shit who only exists to serve themselves.

Whether that is black, white, Asian, or Hispanic. Doesn't matter to me.

I haven't even mentioned the kid you dimwitted dolt.

you think creating a better teaching environment is a non-existent point yet I've linked accredited educational instutions policies and best work practices on the very point.



Nevertheless, obviously I am trying to make a point to people who completely lack any ability to realize there is opportunity to learn and make things better here, instead you like to make shit up such as me defending the student even though I am OTR earlier agreeing with AaronM the kid should be punished.

but hey, stick with your view that dumbfuck teachers can create out of control teaching space and then engage in violent confrontations, because hey, black kids deserve it.

Incidents of aggression and violence in the classroom should be met with immediate, nonaggressive consequences. The author discusses specific strategies for preventing violent episodes and for reacting appropriately when they do occur.

Practical Strategies for Working With Students Who Display Aggression and Violence
CYC-Net: CYC-Online

A huge percentage of your homeboys don't think fathers should be parents. :disgust

Parenting is for suckers :2 cents:

Well said.

It checks out.

parenting = hard work = for suckers

It's nuts right? Remember when every classroom had a big ass paddle hanging over the black board? This shit just didn't happen. Talking back didn't happen. Raising your voice to the teacher didn't happen. Not following instructions didn't happen. "Demanding respect" didn't happen. Getting punished by the teacher was always preferred to what happened if you actually got sent to the principle. I remember seeing some violent shit too between teacher/students when things went to far and I don't remember ever not thinking "well idiot, all you had to do was shut your mouth". An incidentally, when a kid came home after a run in with the teacher or principle, there was a worse fate waiting for them.

The world is officially fucked.

can someone provide this thread with statistics, hell, even a statistic, that supports the notion that allowing teachers to beat and whip our children produces a higher quality education/better person?

I'm open and happy to stand corrected on my view that intellect trumps muscle in teaching and that we should teach violence prevention to our teachers and not kung fu/small arms carry.

Tax payers children? I highly doubt his parents paid a fucking cent into the system. Shit, that was probably an obamaphone :2 cents:

This has deviated a long way from the OP video showing a black thug physically attacking a 65-yr-old teacher who did little to defend himself.

For the requirements and understanding you are suggesting that teachers have.. There would be no fucking teachers.

You can quote bullshit articles all day long, it certainly doesn't mean your right. In this thread, like many others.. You take an ignorant stance and keep keep keep trying to prove it.

I love watching you waste your time. Please indulge us some more.

As was stated, this thread was about an ignorant ass student who body slammed his teacher for taking away his cell phone. Your political correctness gone mad bullshit about the way these underpaid teachers who are no doubt working these jobs because they are decent folk and want to contribute is a ridiculous thought in itself.

Perhaps that teacher implemented your quoted tactics all year long.. But there comes a point where what's right is right.

I'm guessing he shouldn't have taken the cell phone. Or when the student defied authority and demanded it back from the TEACHER, he should have then just coughed it up.. Like that would set a good example.

My whole point, and most everyone else's here.. Besides dumb monkey troll of the year, was that the teacher was in the right.

You can take your training and idealistic bullshit and torch it, because this shit happens all over the country with black students regardless of the teachers awareness, approach, or actions.

It starts in the home.

But do indulge us in some more semantic bullshit and keep patting yourself on the back you awful little egotistical douchebag bro jo cunt. Everybody is listening to you, I promise.

Like it has fuck all to do with the simple deduction of what happened. I look forward to you grabbing some other micro tangent and blabbing on about it for two hours as well.. We wait with baited breath you sincere intellectual you :thumbsup

I think it's spot on, tbh. prevention of the situation via superior intellect. that physics teachers should be 10x smarter than that punk student and cnsequently, easily manipulated the event in another direction.

Paterson freshman charged with assault after classroom attack on teacher - Paterson - NorthJersey.com

He said the teacher apparently confiscated the phone — which belonged to the assailant — from another student. The principal said students are allowed to use cellphones in class for academic purposes, but staff may take the devices and return them at the end of the day if students use them for other reasons.

Only if you assume it was a bad teacher.

We know the student is wrong. Had his parents raised him better then he would't have fucked up in the first place. :2 cents:

Somebody gets it.... :thumbsup

He didn't even mention the kid was black you dimwitted racist dolt. :winkwink:

The adults who don't get it are actually a bigger part of the problem (not the kids themselves who should in the "juvie" as you say) and the reason why it's not gonna get fixed anytime soon. That's what's really depressing.

I don't think it's a leap to assume the teacher handled this poorly. So let's assume he's a good teacher that handled this situation poorly. Being allowed to "confiscate" a phone during class time doesn't mean actually physically fighting to confiscate the phone.

by all accounts, the teacher took his phone from another student, then this student went and grabbed it from the teacher, who then made it into a fight for the phone.

YOu are one of the more common-sense gfyers, I bet you agree that this teacher and policy could use some best practices updates on how to handle these types of students, maintaining control of a classroom and how to confiscate a phone.

there is no question the kid assaulted the instructor but he would not have if that phone was just sitting somewhere and he took it back. the teacher held on to it and made it a physical altercation by not relinquishing it. He could have put the phone away and if the student then usurped a boundary to get his phone back, a simple call to security would have kept that teacher in control of his classroom and kept the other students out of harm's way.

i realized after my editing time expired that the black part didn't directly reply to the implied narrative in this thread.

so take the black part out. my point is still valid that the teacher is much smarter than the student and easily could have handled this situation better.


and gofuckyourself. :winkwink:

I don't mind being the only one here who gets the fact that teachers can learn from this to acquire better tools to maintain control of their classrooms.