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TheSquealer 01-27-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20372061)
I don't mind being the only one here who gets the fact that teachers can learn from this to acquire better tools to maintain control of their classrooms.

You are the only one denying the fact that a student attacked a teacher and was 100% wrong to do so and its more than likely that absolutely nothing could have been done to avoid it.... and you have NO OTHER INFORMATION to tell you exactly what led up to that moment exactly, what was said, what threats were made, how much time there was to think or say something and so on. You just have this strong emotional reaction against the teacher and you are grasping to rationalize it. Seriously, everyone can see this. This is a moment where you could step back and ask "wow... hm... i seem to be very out of sync in my understanding of the events vs others... what is off here?".

dyna mo 01-27-2015 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20372242)
You are the only one denying the fact that a student attacked a teacher and was 100% wrong to do so and its more than likely that absolutely nothing could have been done to avoid it.... and you have NO OTHER INFORMATION to tell you exactly what led up to that moment exactly, what was said, what threats were made, how much time there was to think or say something and so on. You just have this strong emotional reaction against the teacher and you are grasping to rationalize it. Seriously, everyone can see this. This is a moment where you could step back and ask "wow... hm... i seem to be very out of sync in my understanding of the events vs others... what is off here?".

you might want to read the thread better prior to your psych profile making this about me.

Because when and if you do, you will see at least 2x where I've agreed with others such as AaronM that the kid was wrong and should be punished and I've even rementioned that at least 1x more time since then.

after that you might realize I'm the most pragmatic person in this thread.

and gofuckyourself.

dyna mo 01-27-2015 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20372042)

there is no question the kid assaulted the instructor




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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 20370799)
The kids in these videos need to be expelled. :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20370805)
i totally agree.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20370931)
they aren't mutually exclusive. bad parents + bad teacher + bad student = physical altercation.

the math works here.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20371033)
instead you like to make shit up such as me defending the student even though I am OTR earlier agreeing with AaronM the kid should be punished.

my pragmatic view backed up by researchers and educators:

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20370997)
according to this article, power struggle in the classroom is the responsibility and fault of the educator.

Chapter 20: Conflict Resolution and Power struggles

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20371004)
from the National Education Association:


Avoiding Power Struggles with Students
The dos and don'ts of dealing with classroom confrontations.

many educators have developed strategies for dealing with confrontational students. At the top of the list: “Never get into a power struggle,” says Mary Barela, a middle school teacher in Fort Collins, Colorado. “You are the adult and know better.

NEA - Avoiding Power Struggles with Students

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20371008)
A Report by the American Psychological Association Board of Educational Affairs Task Force on Classroom Violence Directed Against Teachers.


Understanding and Preventing Violence Directed Against Teachers


Educators should be prepared to identify early warning signs of aggressive and violent threats (see Warning signs of youth violence), reacting from an effective response repertoire. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has compiled a list of resources that is a great resource for schools.

When equipped with best practices training, empathic caring and a supportive administrative staff, a proactive and knowledgeable teacher is his or her own best protection against threats of student violence.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20371041)
Incidents of aggression and violence in the classroom should be met with immediate, nonaggressive consequences. The author discusses specific strategies for preventing violent episodes and for reacting appropriately when they do occur.

Practical Strategies for Working With Students Who Display Aggression and Violence
CYC-Net: CYC-Online


Lykos 01-27-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20370010)
chill ese no matter the race they still suffer :2 cents: even Aryan Brotherhood you are a pice of work!
https://audiobookprisonstories.files...risonerpic.jpg

They look fucking dangerous :)

dyna mo 01-27-2015 01:29 PM

ANd I haven't even began to rip apart the argument that it is OK for strangers to exact physical punishment on our kids.

TheSquealer 01-27-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20372246)
you might want to read the thread better prior to your psych profile making this about me.

Because when and if you do, you will see at least 2x where I've agreed with others such as AaronM that the kid was wrong and should be punished and I've even rementioned that at least 1x more time since then.

after that you might realize I'm the most pragmatic person in this thread.

and gofuckyourself.

Again, my point was that you literally have no clue what the exchange was before the video. You know nothing but the video and the statement that the phone was taken from a 3rd party. That is all you know. So there is zero basis whatsoever for suggesting the teacher should have done something differently as you've been doing. Whether there is something to be learned from the incident, depends on what ALL THE FACTS ARE... not your simplistic "rush to judgement" over simplifications.

As for your quotes. Who cares? I can dig up things to support any view I want. I can dig up research to prove aliens built the pyramids and go on and on about how PHD's agree with me. That means nothing and is 100% irrelevant to the undeniable truth that you do not have all the facts of the event, to pass judgement on the teacher.

dyna mo 01-27-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20372273)
Again, my point was that you literally have no clue what the exchange was before the video. You know nothing but the video and the statement that the phone was taken from a 3rd party. That is all you know. So there is zero basis whatsoever for suggesting the teacher should have done something differently as you've been doing. Whether there is something to be learned from the incident, depends on what ALL THE FACTS ARE... not your simplistic "rush to judgement" over simplifications.

As for your quotes. Who cares? I can dig up things to support any view I want. I can dig up research to prove aliens built the pyramids and go on and on about how PHD's agree with me. That means nothing and is 100% irrelevant to the undeniable truth that you do not have all the facts of the event, to pass judgement on the teacher.



do you understand the difference between inference and deduction? I mean do you? because I don't think you do. If you did you'd easily see that what I am assuming is well within the boundaries of logical inference enough to conclude that violence prevention trumps escalating violence in the classroom.

I mean really, arguing against prevention. that's your stance here. :1orglaugh you're stating I am rushing to judgement to even suggest that it better to diplomatically control the classroom with superior intellect over muscling students.


next.
obviously you CAN'T dig up things to support your view all you want because I asked yesterday for 1 simple statistic that supports your view that teachers physically beating our kids in the classroom leads to better education/better people, etc.

I'm still waiting for that.

dyna mo 01-27-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20372242)
You are the only one denying the fact that a student attacked a teacher and was 100% wrong to do so and its more than likely that absolutely nothing could have been done to avoid it.... and you have NO OTHER INFORMATION to tell you exactly what led up to that moment exactly, what was said, what threats were made, how much time there was to think or say something and so on. You just have this strong emotional reaction against the teacher and you are grasping to rationalize it. Seriously, everyone can see this. This is a moment where you could step back and ask "wow... hm... i seem to be very out of sync in my understanding of the events vs others... what is off here?".

feel free to retract this nonsense since I've proofed it false.

dyna mo 01-27-2015 02:00 PM

okey dokey, i gotta hop for abit but I'll check back later,

remember, there is always opportunity to do better, this event isn't any different.

!


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