hola Roald... how's the cam going now?

Where's the industry taking the good, the bad, and the ugly?

I was about to make this point. It's pretty 'sad' that in 1999 you had to pay to see one breast and now girls are one-upping each other with toys and plugs and dancing like monkeys to get your attention for free.

As for the OP's post:

He may be right about people wanting a GF experience but the real question is, "is there just as much money in promoting cams as there used to be?" ... Obviously not.

If there is, please do tell how to get a nice slice of the pie.

RE: Pirating Sex Shows

This is a response to an article posted on a webmaster forum and from an experience from a few webcam models.

It is said today that the advantage of webcam porn shows over recorded videos is that it's live.

Unlike films recorded then put into a members area, where it simply needs one member to download then upload the videos to all the tube sites, forums, torrents and so on (which in turn may be reposted, and reposted by others).

This gives the model the advantage that people need to watch her live.

However it must be noted that the shows may and often are recorded. These may be by individuals or automated by websites. Many sites such as camgirlcaps appear to automatically record the shows then upload to the site. They can often be found by simply doing a google search for the name of the model. However it is also probable that other sites do not use the models names and so finding the vids online becomes far harder.

Some people record the shows then upload to sites such as xhamster and other tube sites.

While others will share online via other sites.

Tracking such videos is extremely hard and one must question if its worth even the effort.

If having such videos online is going to make problems for you (say at work) then one needs to think about this before doing webcam.

Ideally when you do a show, but some material up behind you to disguise your room.

And whatever you do, never disclose personal information such as your personal email, your real name, your real location, family and friends and so on. This may seem obvious but someone I know has done this and it's caused her problems.

Its been said that those who download the videos are probably not ever going to be your customers. But I disagree.

My advice to any webcam model is to always on webcam show such as your twitter address or website or something. You can download software to do this or very simply have it on a banner on a wall behind you.

The idea then is those pirated videos now become advertising for you. Say your videos are seen by 60k of people it would be hoped that 60k may join you on twitter. And when you do a cam show you can post to say your going online and now you may get 60k watching you.

One thing to note is that before you do this (putting such as your twitter address on your cam site) check with the terms and conditions as some sites may not allow you to do this.

RE: Pirating Sex Shows | Wouj Webmaster Site

MFC has a problem in that it does not seem to police itself that well.

By this I have known models ask openly for money for escorting and doing shows on skype and asking payment via paypal.

A girl I know uses MFC simply for this.

This should be against the rules and harsher punishment.

The is so much myth around "cams" and "earnings".

Quite simply, EPCs aren't great when averaged across all unique clicks with cams. Why send high quality unique traffic to cams and earn say .02 per click when you can send to dating and earn .30 per click? Cams are much much harder to convert than anything else. I've owned cam sites. I've bought shit loads of traffic to cam sites. I am intimately familiar with the economics of cam sites. I don't send my bought traffic to cam sites. No big player does in media buys that I am aware of.

Of course someone occasionally spends a ton of money. How much money was spent trying to get that guy?

People excited about promoting cams are like having jack off friends that love going to Vegas to play black jack. All you hear about are the wins. No one talks about the losses. No one talks about how big the losses are over time.

:2 cents:

I am not sure about the affiliates, but running a mid to large cam site it is profitable. Running too small cam sites it is a waste of money and can bring the owner bankrupt.

Cams can be pirated but pirating cams feeds is made impossible by encryption. However, desktop display video can be recorded.

To do it right requires tech knowledge or you can use some of the windoze .exe proggies that are usually exploits to your windoze system.

Piracy is an overrated cost. People that want free don't pay (usually). The other school of thought is that if they could not find it free they would pay. There is little empirical evidence but not any definitive evidence to support the latter assumption. Personally, I think the latter assumption is wishful thinking and unrealistic -- the market got moved. At any rate, eventually wildfires burn out and some trees are left standing -- the forest regrows. Porn has survived a 7,000 year history in one form or another :2 cents:


I don't have any personal experience with dating other than being told it is profitable and seen its growth over the years.

It usually costs me $0 to get that guy but you are correct in that standard porn traffic sucks. Cams are their own market and porn surfers don't really give a shit about it.

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone or something. Cams are dog shit easy to promote if you aren't approaching from a porn webmaster perspective. I would never send bought traffic to a cam site period. Bought traffic is garbage when sent to things they are interested in.

So without revealing your sources, how do you go about getting these guys? What is different about them compared to porn surfers?

FIDDY cam secrets. :)

I want to promote cams and make money without losing my shirt. Any tips? PM me if it's a big secret. LOL :)

They want real girls not amateur porn stars pretending to be amateur girls. It's a market in and of itself and most on a porn tube aren't really looking for that connection. All I know is it's the ones that buy panties, watch clips, ask to be mods in chatrooms, etc. They want to hang out and have a conversation, not jerk off and close the window. It's why Chaturbate and MFC do so well while the rest of the industry struggles.

See my last post. Don't get me wrong, adding a cam link to an existing porn site will make some money as there is some overlap. My point is the reason so many on GFY did not believe how much people were making on cam for so many years is that the market is completely different.

That said, I've had the same experience as most here with linking to cams from standard porn. The conversions suck, earnings suck, etc. I've seen sites with 50 times the traffic I had put cams in a prominent place but make 1% of the money I did. I was converting 1:10 RAW when I started and that was to my landing page. The links I had there converted 1:3 or 4 for years. A couple of thousand hits per day was worth way more than millions of TGP hits or similar, I know because I tried.