Never understood big guys who think they're chin magically won't shut down when it's tagged because... they're Big.

I have maybe 30lb of pure muscle on royce and no-gi is not as technical as I would like to admit...I have been BJJ/grappling for 10 years and my conditioning is up to par with royce to say the least...

he would demolish me in GI...out of 100 fights in GI I would be lucky to tap him once...

but no-gi is a completely different story...I do not care who you are, or how good you are, If you are 30lb lighter and you are not insanely strong, I can pull your arm out by sheer brute force, and I do not care how good your technique is, because you will not have the chance to use it before addressing my attack...

you can even be a smart smart fighter and go for an attack right away, not giving me the time to set up an attack of my own, but this is of no importance...what matters is that I am 30lb heavier and I want your arm/leg/neck right now...

you will argue that royce is an insanely technical fighter, I will agree, I would never talk stupid shit if this was a GI fight...I would get schooled by royce like a little bitch...but no-gi is such a different story...I am a slippery mother fucker with elastic joints and am brutally powerful...

I am not saying royce has no chance this is silly...I am just saying I can beat him too...his victories in the UFC were a great inspiration to us all but today he is just an average fighter...

Worse, the ones who think size is a universal advantage, not understanding their legs have to bear all that weight and when their knees start getting thwacked it becomes far harder for their legs to handle 250 pounds than it would be to hold up 140 pounds.

Uriah Faber is a great fighter.... This is what his leg looked like after a bout with Aldo:

http://a2.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdi...955.high.0.jpg

Ricardo Lamas posts picture of bruised leg thanks to Jose Aldo's kicks | FOX Sports

Oh, so you are stating it out of nothing but your own personal bias. No accolades, no ADCC wins, just what you think.

Well, you are entitled to that, I guess. The rest of us live in the real world. Rip his arm off, eh? Ten years training, eh? Lulz.

well its obvious to me that crusifissio would beat all our asses , at the same time.

:)

No, because You, Anthony and I have a greater total weight than him. It has nothing to do with the fact that there are 3 of us and 1 of him... or the relative skill levels... all that matters is total weight. That's why a giant block of cement was World Champion from 1870 to 1903. Nobody could beat it. It weighed more than the rest of the fighters and everyone who kept hitting it just got frustrated and quit. It's "basic physics" :winkwink:

here is another vote for Bruce Lee!

I have been in martial arts since I was 10 I am now 42...a little girl can have perfect technique she still hits like a little girl...a little girl can hit me really really fast it still does not hurt for shit because I get hit 20% slower by guys who are 100% heavier and you do the math...I used to get hit over and over again for rounds and rounds from people who are in my weight category before I would even start to register that I am taking any sort of damage...

you would be surprised at how crap of a fighter he was :1orglaugh

chuck norris was 100x the fighter bruce lee was...seriously :2 cents:

Btw... Here is what we have learned...

Saying Lee is not a great fighter... Plausible

Saying a great boxer would beat a great MMA fighter who weighs much less... Doubtful

Saying a great boxer would beat a great MMA fighter of similar weight ... Insane

Saying anyone on GFY could beat Royce Gracie in a fight .... /thread

Well, now we have an explanation for why you posted you think you could beat Royce Gracie.

Head trauma :winkwink:

you obviously know little about this and I do not blame you for putting too much importance on technique in grappling...rocye beat a bunch of stand up fighters heavier than him and this confuses you...

I am not claiming I can do shit against anybody who is ADCC level and my weight...far from it...I am not even claiming that I can beat royce once with a GI...I am just claiming that you obviously do not have experience with no-gi and do not understand the advantage of being far far stronger than your opponent...

you are completely ignoring the context of my claim to be able to beat a far lighter fighter...royce gracie is maybe 80kg with a chubby belly...he has at best 70kg muscle I am close to 100 and ripped...I can military press royce for reps...man its almost 30kg this is 60+lb weight advantage...gimme a break eh? :1orglaugh

I'm telling you, you don't know what your are talking about. Since you started with there's no striking in BJJ. You obviously don't know the difference between, Self Defense, Sport Gi/no Gi, or MMA BJJ.

I'm a Purple Belt, better No gi than I am with the Gi. I should be higher belt in the Gi, but I stopped doing Gi early, I didn't go the competition route since I wanted to fight MMA. At my biggest and strongest, juiced to the gills, I could not rip off my opponents arms in No Gi. Your hyperbole sounds like it's coming out a white belt's mouth who's only competition he's had are other white belts.

I'm not coming on here making huge claims. BJJ is easy to spot the poseurs. We self police. If you say you're that good, I'm expecting to see your competitions wins to match Dean Lister's.

Yep, size makes a difference. Here's Royce against a guy with over 100KG weight advantage.

Royce Gracie vs Akebono - YouTube

Yes, you could beat Royce... in a military press competition. :2 cents:

In a fight, he would own you... and you would have an excuse after the fight as to why it didn't really count or what you would do differently next time... until he owned you again and again and again.

Bruce Lee. I bet Tyson would not even get one punch.

Again....
Bruce Lee = actor
Mike Tyson = one of the fastest and most devastating heavyweight boxers in the history of boxing.

There is absolutely no grounds whatsoever for even beginning to think Bruce Lee could win any kind of fight. There is a very long chain of proof that Tyson can .

You may as well be arguing if Frank Dux or George Dillman can beat Batman

Chuck Norris. LOL

Doesn't "heart" and an inner drive to never stop count for anything? I bet it does. If we're talking about a SMART fighter. You are all focusing so much on physics, weight, etc but forgetting about INNER power, fortitude, inner strength, personal power, etc.

Tyson is a bully and, like all bullies, once his ass was properly good and kicked, never threatened anyone ever again. Lee? He faced racism and bigotry at a much harsher time than Tyson did and therefore had more "drive" than the average martial artist (which is probably what killed him, over-training). Was the drive for fame rather than proficiency? Perhaps...but drive is still drive, and Lee had it way above Tyson.

So if we are betting on "the man" I go with Lee. Never underestimate whoever wants it more will win. One good hit to Tyson and the bully would fade like the pussy he is. Lee would fight to the death.

PS: Please read some Bruce Lee biographies. He DID "fight", and win, and kick countless asses. Did he fight "professionally" as in a boxing federation etc? No, but that does not mean he did not "fight" or was not a fighter. Also, remember the Era we are discussing here. Just like with Football and most sports, you cannot compare "eras". The 1950's-early 1970's is nothing like the 1990's-present. The comparison should really be Ali vs. Lee but the height difference alone would be rough.

Hey didn't Lee kick Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's ass? Haha!!

Are you saying the Black Man doesn't live a harsh life in the USA? Are you kidding me? No bigotry? I usually like reading some of your posts, but this one is really out there.

Tyson lost because he lost the drive and discipline when Cus died. Before that, he cleaned out the HW Boxing division as the smallest man in the ring, and when you get hit by HW, you go down.

All of you who pick Bruce Lee do so from watching him in movies. Show me one fight, just one. If he was such a great fighter you'd have video proof of it everywhere.

When Cus died ;)

And Lee briefly trained Jabaar. He didn't fight him.

Impossible. Kareem weighs more than Lee, therefore as a matter of "basic physics" Kareem would win. The heavier person always wins... except for the thousands of times that has been proven false over and over by fighters with superior technique. :2 cents:

Yes, weight classes exist in all fighting styles and promotions for no reason at all.

Weight classes exist to make sure that people of comparable skill are properly matched against each other. They do not exist to protect highly skilled fighters from much less skilled amateurs. If you want to argue Lee was not a fighter, we can't test that so we have to leave it at that. Im fine with that. If you want to argue a lighter man can't beat a much heavier man, or that a well rounded fighter can't easily destroy a one dimensional boxer... we can see the results of that test many times and it's painfully obvious what the answer is on that.

Tyson thinks Royce would have won. Couture destroyed Toney. Royce beat Akibono and many other much heavier fighters. The idea that a one dimensional boxer would stand a chance against a skilled MMA fighter (even a much lighter one) is pure 100% nonsense. In fact, that monumental amount of nonsense likely weighs more than the difference between Tyson and Royce or Tyson and Lee... :2 cents:

Thanks man, corrected.

it surprises me that you speak of punches in BJJ yet you claim to be a purple belt...how strange...BJJ instructors may teach self defence or MMA but BJJ does not have one single punch...how many punches did you see at the world cup? :1orglaugh come on man...

I said direct quote "I can pull your arm out" not rip it off...pulling it out refers to the most common defence in BJJ and grappling= keeping your arms the fuck in, as in close to your body in...I can pull royces, or anybody elses arm who is 60lb muscle lighter than me, out , and apply a lever and force him to tap...I will not use pretty pretty technique, I will "brock lesnar" it :1orglaugh

ripping an appendage out was not what I meant :thumbsup


you have a hard time believing that a trained fighter like me can beat pretty much anybody who is 60lb lighter in pure muscle mass, and I understand why...I used to be like you and liked to attach greater value on technique than it really deserved, in relation to pure brawn...royce was my hero...waaay lighter than most his opponents and not even a puncher...defeating your opponent with no punches is truly the pinnacle of martial arts and it was beautiful to watch...but he did it to people completely untrained in any sort of submission wrestling...this is a huge point that I did not know at the time...

after royce appeared I seriously got in to BJJ, and loved the crap out of it...we did just GI for 5-6 months...then we tried nogi for the first time and I started to submit guys easy based on my sheer size and strength...not the purple and browns but the blues and whites...was a disappointment for me to realize that technique did not matter so much in grappling as it did in BJJ with gi...the gi allows for almost perfect control of your opponent and the weight and strength advantage are not so great...no gi is a whole different ball game...its hard to pin down a guy who is slippery as shit and 60lb+ and you have nothing to hold on to :2 cents:...doing an arm bar with a gi is infinitely easier than no gi...

I hate to admit it but I would beat royce :Oh crap most heavies-super heavies in my club would :Oh crap

Will you Brock Lesnar it the same way Brock did against Mir in their first fight?
Brock was 265 in their first fight, Mir was 245.
By "simple physics" Brock wo.... oh wait, he didn't win...

Seriously, before you come up on me about facts on BJJ you need to go back to school. BJJ is comprised of three different types of training. BJJ for the Gi. Bjj for No Gi. Bjj for MMA/Vale Tudo. Noob.

You must be talking from experience. Please show me a video of you doing this to a 6th Degree BJJ Blackbelt. You must have something like that right? Or you are you just talking out your ass. Doing it to a white or blue belt who you outweigh isn't the same thing.

Purely Anecdotal statement. You haven't shown one example of you doing it to anyone, let alone Royce Gracie. Anyone can say anything. But there's video proof of Royce tapping out a 400lbs man, can't say the same for you.

You aren't a trained fighter or anything for that matter if you are basing your fighting prowess over WHITE AND BLUE BELTS.

I find it funny I'm being told I'm small and rely on technique when I'm 6'1" 225lbs. I started BJJ at 270lbs. I've actually had to learn NOT to base my BJJ on size and strength, to work on technique.

Only noobs talk about size and strength being better than technique. Being big is an attribute, like being flexible. But it's not the only thing.

brock actually dominated him for the whole fight...he put him down in the first 2 seconds and the only reason mir got up was because he turned his head whilst brock was ground and pounding him and the ref called it a strike to the back of the head...it was more mir turning away from the punches like a pussy :2 cents:

frank mir is only 20lb lighter than brock he is a big big guy...and he lost like a bitch in the 2nd fight...he was brocks human punching bag in both fights...

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If only we could have gotten him into the cage in his prime. At 1,230 pounds, by a matter of "basic physics" he would have beat anyone!! Just imagine if Mike Tyson or Jon Jones or anyone else would have hit his massive body with their tiny hands. They would have exploded from the impact with his girth!!

Weight is all that matters? Really... ? :1orglaugh

1st Fight. Brock tapped to a knee bar.

2nd Fight. Brock won with strikes.

I don't think your argument really holds much water.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh dude google it...go to a BJJ competition and ill give you 1000$ for every punch you see thrown on the mat, that does not result in direct disqualification and a riot :1orglaugh

I submit black belts regularly and they submit me...after 10 years training its not a tall statement...its just you being romantic about royce :1orglaugh


you want video proof that its easier to control your opponent when he is in GI than when he is not in GI? :1orglaugh or video proof of a big guy submitting a small guy on pure strength? watch lesnar vs mir 2 :1orglaugh and thats only 20lb difference...man Im 60lb+ on royce :1orglaugh

You may have missed this part here...
The part where Brock tapped to avoid having his leg broken by a man who weighed much less than him:


Watch in slow motion... and show me where Brock 'dominated him for the whole fight' ;)

You must have a reading comprehension issue.


Show me one competition vid. You haven't yet.


Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a wall. SHOW PROOF OF YOUR GRAPPLING GOD LIKE POWERS. POST ONE OF YOUR VIDEOS WINNING AT GRAPPLING.

technique is nothing without power...it matters very little in no gi...

how do you control a strong slippery mother fucker with technique alone? answer: you dont!

if you want me to comment on the video do not put in a slow motion of only the part where mir did the leg lock and leave out the bulk of the fight where mir was brocks human punching bag...

I've wasted enough time here. Video for everyone to see how a very technical small man will beat a larger/stronger opponent in BJJ.

Marcelo Garcia vs Former UFC CHampion Arlovski
Marcelo Garcia vs. Former UFC Champion, Andre Arvloski Training No Gi BJJ Submission Grappling - YouTube
I like it when Marcelo tells Andre he's very strong.

Who do you train with, and who are you instructors? If they aren't teaching you how to control someone No Gi, you either have poor instructors, or you don't listen well to instruction and mostly likely the meat head that powers and muscles out of everything.