#Waiting :thumbsup

Only read through the first half of the first page. You can see a lot of people here have no experience in fighting. Needless to say, Tyson for the win.

You guys go back to watching MMA on tv and pretending you have a clue.

OK this is the sexiest thing you've said all thread. :bowdown

I actually have 100-s of videos of me rolling I tape my sparring sessions with a gopro and view them when I get home...3rd party perspective is invaluable for developing good technique and finding a strategy of fighting best suited to your particular abilities/disablities...I see no point in posting them because I see no direct gain in it for me...

sorry to burst your bubble but there are literally 1000-s of experienced heavies and super heavies that could do the same to a guy 7 categories under them :thumbsup

just deal with it :pimp

If it's an all out fight, where they can use all their abilities -- Bruce Lee wins.

My partner can do 2 fingers & the thumb, he's 13 stone, Bruce lee was maybe 10?

I see no point to giving any thought to an Internet-tough-guy who claims he could win a fight in a cage with Royce Gracie and then proceeds to back it up with a misunderstanding of: physics, bjj, the property of weight, what happened in the Brock / Mir fight, whether Royce wore a Gi or not in the UFC and pretty much everything else you poorly attempted to claim in this thread.

I know Anthony is the real deal. I know Royce is the real deal. You? Not so much... So go ahead and post some proof... or go back to daydreaming about your imaginary MMA prowess but don't expect anyone to take any of it with even a tiny amount of credibility...

Calm the fuck down slut!!! ;)

ALSO...

could people stop posting , randomly, ""Bruce -fucking-lee""??? ;)

Read the thread..it is now the majority view Bruce Lee was an actor and worth less than my ma , in a full on row!!!

And....... apparently , at least 25% of the posters in this thread could kick his ass!! :)

This thread has evolved...jesus!!!

;-))

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Carry on :)

Did we figure out who has the bigger dick yet?
Superman or Batman?

Fighting is bad.

I give my vote to Mike Tyson. Cut out all the training in the world and you have to ask yourself who is willing to hurt someone more and first. In a real fight that is usually who the winner is.
The one who is just itching to try and break someones arm, or punch them in the throat, or see how far they have to push on someones eyes until they scream they give up and run the other way.

IT isn't much btw.

By the looks of the other photos you have posted he can fit his whole hand inside.

We did. We learned that a lunatic Serb and part time webmaster is actually one of the toughest men on the planet who can easily defeat the guy who dominated the first 4 years of the UFC at his own game...

It's been a couple days of big revelations.

i just beat you all up in my head using moves i learned from movies and video games. fuck you all.

you are idolizing royce...many top heavies get submitted all the time let alone middle weights, if it is too much of a stretch of the imagination for you to believe that an average super heavy (brazilian standards not european) can beat somebody who is 7 BJJ weight categories beneath him in no-gi, then fine...

just saying royce is not unbeatable by any standard...you may doubt in my abilities but you know that royce gets submitted all the time just like everybody else...he is no god :2 cents:

Yeah, they get submitted by other top bjj experts... not by a GFY webmaster with delusions of grandeur.

Ray mercer vs tim sylvia. Sylvia was knocked out in 17 seconds. Sorry to destroy your argument. :thumbsup

I don't caree about BJJ at all and think Royce is a complete dickhead as a person. Like Tyson, his achievements speak for themselves as does your lack of the same. I'm not saying someone can't beat him or that he is "unbeatable". ,Im saying you can't beat him. Big difference.

He has no argument as there is zero proof whatsoever that Bruce Lee can even fight.... Never mind failing to demonstrate he's a "well rounded fighter" and just asserting it over and over as fact. That's why he is trying to change both the question and the argument. ;)

Mike Tyson all day!

Bruce Lee for the win. Brains always beats brawn.

Only in trivia pursuit. :1orglaugh

That happened at the main event at MMAs 'Adrenaline III Bragging Rights' on the 13th of June, 2009.... right after Sylvia had lost consecutively to Nog and Fedor. Sylvia weighed in at 310 pounds completely out of shape for that fight while Mercer was in much better shape and much smaller when they fought, weighing in at 256. By contrast, when Sylvia won the UFC title years earlier from Rico Rodriguez at UFC 41, Sylvia weighed in at 252 pounds. After that fight Sylvia went on to fight mostly nobodies at a variety of smaller road shows and then retired.

So your example shows us two important things:
1 - A shot former champion fighter who is 60 pounds over his prime fighting weight does not gain an advantage simply by being larger... in fact he tends to get his ass kicked

2 - A smaller fighter can knock out a substantially larger fighter if he strikes well, as Mercer did with Sylvia coming in at 58 pounds over his own weight in their fight.

I haven't asserted that over and over. I've said I believe Lee would have done very well in the cage based on what I have seen and read. I also fully accept it is an untestable assertion and left it at that pages ago (if you read the thread). What is testable, and in fact has been proven by a very large preponderance of evidence is that weight only matters when fighters are of comparable skill levels... and one dimensional boxers lose to much more well rounded fighters unless they are wearing boxing gloves and fighting by boxing rules.

If you don't want to take my word for it... take Mike Tyson's word for it, he is quoted in this thread earlier saying exactly the same thing. He freely admits Royce would have beaten him, which may be surprising since it appears Royce would be unable to beat a GFY webmaster according to cruxifiasco:error

What is shows us is that a boxer can, and defeat a mma fighter. And a 48 year old boxer at that. :thumbsup

Yup, a big slow 60 pounds out of shape shot MMA fighter dropped by the UFC and on a 2 fight losing streak can lose to a boxer. He can also lose to a doorknob, a heavy piece of luggage, or he can even choke on a pretzel. Especially if it's a sprawl and brawl fighter like Sylvia. If you think that is the same as a well rounded quality MMA fighter in their prime losing to a boxer... we disagree.

You said a one dimensional boxer could not beat an mma fighter. I showed that it could and has happened.
Yes, 80% of the time a well rounded mma fighter would win against a boxer.

Back to the original topic, Mike tyson would kill bruce lee.
Hell jackie chan might kick bruces ass.

Whatever. :upsidedow

80% is a very soft estimate I'd say it's closer to 95%. The one example you posted is against a guy 60 pounds overweight out of shape and at the tail end of his career. If you are saying that a boxer has an extremely long shot 'puncher's chance to win' - yeah, Matt Serra beat George St. Pierre so anything can happen... but that's clearly not anywhere close to likely.

As to Lee, since it can't be tested, it's a matter of pure opinion. I believe he would have done very well, you believe he would not... that's about all we can say about it. As to pro MMA fighters vs pro boxers it's much easier to determine how that fight is likely to end and Tyson himself agrees with me. As to weight being a big deal, it isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be unless you are dealing with comparable fighters... and a one dimensional boxer is not a comparable fighter unless he is wearing boxing gloves in a boxing ring using boxing rules.

Aldo vs Mayweather in a cage... who wins? If you say Mayweather, at least we can stop chatting at that point. :winkwink:

Bruce Lee.

You are just talking in circles.

The question was simple: "Who would win between Tyson and Bruce Lee". That is all. There was no other question. There were no other people mentioned.

The answer is simple. "There is no record of Bruce Lee fighting, therefore, there is absolutely nothing to based his supposed skill level as it pertains to ACTUAL FIGHTING on"

Again, there is absolutely nothing to base any assertion that Bruce Lee could beat an actual fighter when there is no demonstration anywhere of Bruce Lees skill or ability... other than movies, which is closer to dance than fighting.

You can keep saying "one dimensional boxer" and "well rounded fighter" and that doesn't change the fact that you have absolutely no idea whatsoever of what Bruce Lee was capable of... or any proof whatsoever apart from a list of Jeet Kun Do techniques and other styles he trained at. You can't call him a "well rounded fighter" as there is zero proof that he was. Knowing techniques and being able to effectively use techniques in a live fight are not the same thing. They are not even close. It also seems you have no idea what Tyson is truly capable of, because you've never went at it with a heavy handed, lightening fast heavyweight fighter. You have no idea of Lee's proficiency in general. And any fighter understands that having a black belt in something, has absolutely nothing to do with being an actual fighter. (crucifiso, being the exception as his training apparently gave him super powers)

Actually fighting and practicing a martial art for 20 years are absolutely not comparable in any way, shape or form. Tyson actually fought 6 days a week, for a large portion of his life. Bruce Lee did not fight at all. He spent his life punching and kicking the air.

you should learn to recognize when you overthink. the OP is a hypothetical question, 2 fighters in their prime. all this shit about who lee actually fought, meaningless. your so worried about whats real? well today a washed up tyson would beat up on lees dead corpse.

the point is to use your imagination on fighting style, not breakdown what they did in real world, duh.

you fail to mention tyson was a useless fighter after 2 rounds. maybe you think lee would stand there & take the big punch. LOL. what did tyson have when he couldnt connect the big punch? ear biting. the woodpecker would gradually wear down the big oak.

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10 vs 5: mike tyson wins

The real problem is that you are unaware of your unaware-ness :1orglaugh

I can not help but notice the ladyboy gene where people forget, or do not know, that some races are tougher than others...everything from african or south america or eastern europe for example...life wa not a pink bubble for us like it was for you :1orglaugh we are simply less ladyboy than you :2 cents:

fact: at 66kg and me at 100 royce can not bend my strong as fuck slippery arm...royces technique is legendary and diamond studded but it counts for shit against an object that simply will not move and is slippery as fuck...end of story...sorry to burst your bubble :1orglaugh

keep in mind I know 10% of what royce knows and in this 10% is every single bad position my hand should NOT be in= in any way away from my body...keep in mind I have 2 co-operating strong as fuck slippery as fuck hands...keep in mind I could probably curl (in bad form) royce for reps...

with no gi...gi is another story...royce 66kg me 100 that is 34 kg that is almost 75pounds...

get over it :1orglaugh

There is also no record of Bruce Lee losing to Buster Douglas. There is no record of Lee quitting in the ring against Holyfield. I like Tyson plenty, but some of the things known about him make Lee an even more likely winner. Since we can't test the premise, it is awfully foolish of you to try to sound so authoritative about the hypothetical result.

Who cares? If they could do an epic rap battle everyone wins!

@Cruxfiasco,

Now you are claiming "some races are tougher than others"? :Oh crap:error

Fantasy odds

a hard life in the 3rd world is much harder than a hard life in the west...natural selection is much stronger in rough parts of the world...the effect of natural selection is a "fitter" population and this allows for a greater variety of srong mother fuckers in the geene pool or in sparring...in an tougher environment you will toughen up better and quicker and more than the rest...put this to work for a few centuries ect...

now factor in the mental part of martial arts...its one thing to be tough physically but a whole different thing to be mentally tough...let me quote rocky LOL its not how hard you hit but how hard you can get hit and keep standing up...

now take both effects in synergy...where is the tougher training in some 3rd world shit hole or in some swiss pussy gym?

royce comes from the same 3rd world but I am also 3rd world...nothing ladyboy about me like them western men with the male purse and hairstyles...just pure eatern euro mother fucker...I could give him my leg for a str8 knee lock and he would not be able to bend it all day long...I do this to light guys in sparring...I do this to heavy guys in sparring...

your bubble is burst...get over it :pimp

Stupidest thing posted on GFY in a while (and that says quite a bit about how stupid your statements were). You have no idea how hard or easy someone's life has been... and it has zero to do with their race or their geographical origin. Jon Jones is the best fighter in the world today. He didn't grow up in the third world. Mayweather, St. Pierre, Tyson, Ali, Hughes (who unlike you actually did beat Royce) all come from first world locations and their ethnic backgrounds differ quite a bit. You should write less and think more. At least that way your racist xenophobia would only be spoken inside your own head.

Go ahead and post that highlight reel video of your MMA prowess any time you are ready...

I did not expect you to understand...it hurts the pride to find out that man purses are not manly...

my argument is unbeatable: 3rd world shit holes make you tough as a rhino...you get stronger, bigger and angrier opponents...this makes you a better fighter...

your argument: a super talented hughes got tough because he was surrounded by man purses and had man purse opponents with hair styles ect...dude huges got tough wrestling the african americans and mexicans LOL in a cash rich system that is US college wrestling...

you do not understand what it means to be tough as nails, and this is why you believe royce is more than human and not beatable by somebody 75lb+...the man purse confuses you :1orglaugh

Conspiracy theory - when you are not competitive at any fighting sport you invent your own style and name it something cool like jeet whatever :)
And then PR it as hell and profit from being a "master".

Everyone knows an mma fighter would beat a boxer, as seen by Toney / couture. No one is disputing that. What is in question here is what were Bruce Lee's capabilities. Did he have a wrestling pedigree like Couture? Was he a brilliant BJJ artist like Royce? I could be wrong but Im pretty sure the answer to those questions is no.

So doesnt this come down to mostly striking alone? Does anyone really think a 140 lb man is going to beat Tyson at striking?

If Lee has a wealth of wrestling and BJJ experience that I'm not aware of then feel free to correct me.

Master wong and therefore problems...

since many experts here - what is the best sport to train for an average joe which would help in a street fight/defense the best?

3000 meters steeple
3000 metres steeplechase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

will beat 95% of any fighters outdoors

Tyson vs Bruce Lee? haha yea...a fighter vs a model - good one

Marksmanship. :2 cents:

Yes, the former heavyweight champion of the world one of the top 5 heavyweights of all time would lose to 130 lb actor, who could do two finger pushups. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Karate.........CHOP!