Now I see, you are a real idiot. Don't want to discuss anything with an imbecile. Näkemiin.

Funny to read it's wery clear why we have such conflitcs all the time.

You are an idiot, No u i i was first!

Kiitos kohteliaisuudesta.

About Soviet Union.

"The Soviet Union had its roots in the Russian Revolution of 1917, which overthrew the Russian Empire. The Bolsheviks, the majority faction of the Social Democratic Labour Party, led by Vladimir Lenin, then led a second revolution which overthrew the provisional government and established the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (renamed Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in 1936), beginning a civil war between pro-revolution Reds and counter-revolution Whites. The Red Army entered several territories of the former Russian Empire, and helped local Communists take power through soviets that nominally acted on behalf of workers and peasants. In 1922, the Communists were victorious, forming the Soviet Union with the unification of the Russian, Transcaucasian, Ukrainian, and Byelorussian republics."

Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fuck where did you take your history and geography ? In Mossul ???
I said make a deal with Assad, the Iranians and Putin to knock off ISIS

Last time the Russians burned anybody alive was Jelemlian Pugachev in 1700s.... A long
time before the Americans burned the witches in Salem.

I give up.:helpme

Yes, you did say that. I don't deny that. I said something different.

Nope he hasn't been burned. Burning people alive is an old good Western European tradition (Russians always were too barbaric to use such progressive methods). Pugachev was decapitated.

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They still do this even today. Just in a more technological manner (21th century...)

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it also works the different way....:1orglaugh

like some believe that Russia are angels and US 100 % devil........

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"The sentence for an individual found guilty of witchcraft or sorcery during this time, and in previous centuries, typically included either burning at the stake or being tested with the "ordeal of cold water" or judicium aquae frigidae.[162] The cold-water test was primarily a Western European phenomenon, but was used as a method of truth in Russia prior to, and post, seventeenth-century witchcraft trials in Muscovy. Accused persons who drowned were considered innocent, and ecclesiastical authorities would proclaim them "brought back," but those who floated were considered guilty of practicing witchcraft, and burned at the stake or executed in an unholy fashion. The thirteenth-century bishop of Vladimir, Serapion Vladimirskii, preached sermons throughout the Muscovite countryside, and in one particular sermon revealed that burning was the usual punishment for witchcraft, but more often the cold water test was used as a precursor to execution.[162]"

Witchcraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Finns did burn witches too. Don't take this as another "Whoaa, The Motherland is at the brink of peril! Evil forces are after it."

Only an idiot thinks like that. I'm just starting laughing when citizens of the most aggressive country on the planet accuse my country in aggression. I don't mind to hear that from Mongolians or New Zealands for example :)

50 proxy wars :)

Russians conveniently forget why there's an "ethnic Russian population" that needs "saving" in Crimea. Stalin thought it would be a great idea to mass relocate the original residents of the Crimean peninsula to central Asia and then moved in Russians in their place. Good job comrades, you solved the problem you created lol

:disgust

Afghanistan- massive fuckup on our part since we originally armed the Taliban. However, why did we arm them? Oh yeah that's right, Russia was attempting to invade the region BEFORE we got involved.

Korea- the Russian backed North Korea was attempting to invade South Korea. Big surprise the side backed by Russia was the aggressor. We responded to a request from south Korea to fight off North Korea. Also, looking at how history played out for those two countries, looks like Russia picked the wrong allies :)

The Yugoslavian war was a NATO operation, so its hardly just a US war. You might as well say that WWI and WWII was solely because of the US.

Also, while the US isn't the best country, its a hell of a lot better than Russia to live in. You don't have to even read US propaganda to know that. You can read any of the hundreds of independent quality of life surveys to find that out.

This... the only reason Russia has been even somewhat "peaceful" is because they have been broke since the 90's and 90% of their military has been mothballed until recently and what do you know? Soon as they start dusting off the military hardware they invade Ukraine..

That's a very doubtful statement. I've been to both Russia and States and I have something to compare. I do not happy with our government and Putin personally, but I would still never move to the USA. Southern Europe (e.g. Spain) looks like a good place to me (thinking to buy a house at the sea shore in Catalonia). There is no all that violence like in the USA where police kill more citizens than terrorists do, lack of free medicine, lack of free education etc. The only thing I like about the States is your climate. Russia is mostly cold and winter in Moscow is very depressing (you can't see the sun for weeks - only low gray clouds above). On the other hand, we have no hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes here :winkwink:

Just Google quality of life by country, human development index, or mercer city index. Let me know if Russia comes ahead of the US on any of those reports.

I don't care about abstract numbers and indexes. The things I care about I've mentioned already in my post above. I've been to the USA (have visited a dozen of states there) and it's definitely not a country I would like to live in :2 cents:

Yeah why pay attention to things like facts and statistics? :)

go team..

Statistics is noting. As about the facts, so here they are:

1) High level of violence (police violence, lots of street crime, mass shooting cases etc).
2) No free medicine.
3) No free education.
4) High taxes.
5) High level of bureaucracy (about the same as in here Russia).
6) Very repressive laws, especially for economical crimes (check out this resonant case which happened to an Ukrainian guy I knew via Russian webmaster forums). Hell, you still have a death penalty there!
7) Different values of life. I've grown in the European society and feel much more comfortable in Europe.

These are just the most important ones than came to my mind. If you grown there, you accept them "as is", but for me they are absolutely unacceptable when considering a potential place of living.

BBC News - Ukraine conflict: US 'may supply arms to Ukraine'

Well Obama just announced in a live conference, that he is considering supplying lethal defensive arms (ie lethal weapons) to Ukraine so it looks a nice proxy war is brewing.

Putin, over to you mate, its your move... and don't bother jumping on a horse with your shirt off, that won't help! :1orglaugh

I sincerely hope that Putin does something that doesn't help. I hope that Russia loses this one (war against Ukraine).

You should give some bad advices to your mate.

Georgian army was almost fully equipped with the modern US weapon. The Georgian soldiers were trained by the US instructors. And how long Georgia was able to least against Russia in the open war?

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On the other hand, Ukrainians will get a chance to make some money on selling all that weapon to Assad :winkwink:

Time to warm up all those tanks.As usually, US pushed people to new war and will make profit on it. this time,Russia should answer fast and hard ,without gloves. Straight for Kiev. Nazis will run away fast.

he is attempting to get hired for the 'anti-corruption' post in Ukraine

And you are not Russian or something like that? Good one. :)

Russia should answer to what? It is already attacking Ukraine, and is the one who is attacking altogether. Is it going to answer to its own attack?

What you don't get is that most of the world don't have nazi origin as you which means that you don't have to be Russian to agree and support them.

What you also don't get is that there are people that already went through all this where Ukraine is now.

If Russians reacted properly, not so many lives would be lost (together with people burnt alive in Odessa ).

People who think that Russia should or will let nazis group in their backyard are insane. After liberating most of Europe from nazi and lost so many millions of lives in process, as I am concerned, they are only one what have moral right to stop same scenario once again.

Unfortunately , ordinary people are dying,losing homes and suffering ...but how would US make profit it there is no suffering, so it was expected.

Why in fuck would somebody support Russia, if he ain't Russian in a way or another? Or support any other nation (besides own) at that way altogether?

You have watched too much propaganda, as can be seen from those nazi talks. Besides Soviet Union was as worse as Nazis, so what is the moral right? Moral right to be as asshole? Soviet Union killed millions and suppressed hundreds millions for many, many decades, far longer than Nazis. From two assholes, the Soviets just happened to be the one which won.

From two evils, I prefer to choose neither.

War in Ukraine would have stopped in no time, if Russia would have stopped supporting the rebels and stopped sending its troops to Ukraine. Russia is the one that prolongs that war, and is the primary cause for it.

Anyone that had experience with Germans or NATO in modern history know what dirty things are they doing. Once you are in perspective of someone who lost 5 relatives back in WW2 because Croatian Ustase burned them alive (similar what happened in Odessa) and that have very vivid memory what NATO was doing (bombing schools,theaters, markets, hospitals, helping muslim terrorists, etc) you will understand how would anyone support nation that is not his own. Beside mentioned , I 've witnessed two wars in last decades and was affected as many other people and from that perspective I think I do have more info how things are working compared to someone talking about millions of killed by Russians,from his warm room. That kind of shit is equal to mass graves used as excuse or WMD in Iraq.

Scenario in Ukraine is very,very similar to what was done in Yugoslavia. It seems that Ukrainians are even more stupid than Yugoslavs, what is hard to believe , at first.

Russia supported wars in Balkan, the same ones which Nato did participate too, but the other side; your's side apparently. Your side did quite a lot off war crimes; that was the reason for Nato to participate in the first place.

I suppose you are writing from a warm room too. So what?

And what comes to old WWII stuff, Russia did attack to Finland, and we had two wars altogether during WWII (against Russia). Both of my drandparents fought, other one wounded, but luckily recovered.

You are the one constantly talking about Nazis, so there shouldn't be a problem mentioning the other side too.

After reading your previous statements I've made one simple conclusion: you are missing tons.....once again....tons of info about Balkans at first place. It is completely illusory to polemicize with person that can state thing you just did.

I know how to read Wikipedia. I also lived that time (here in Finland), there were a news or two about it.

You just are not happy, because I am not taking your side.

Nope. You don't have 1% from info about what happened and what is currently happening in this part of Europe. That is all. Why would I loose time trying to change your mind? It took me few years to do it for some people that are now my good friends ("from the heart of western Europe") but they had to come, visit and read a lot before they finally stated that they were blind and under heavy influence of served information. So , once again, there I do not care about "sides" you are mentioning or your opinion. That is all. You are free to investigate on your own and bring into question what you are reading, just like anyone in the world.

So, in simple: it takes a shit load of propaganda and brainwash to adopt your view; whatever that is in detail.

I know that both sides did shitty things in Balkan, that reads straight in the Wikipedia. That still isn't making me wanting Russians to attack fellow countries. Or it doesn't make it OK for all the shit your side did, or the other side did.

The cause for the civil war in Ukraine is pretty clear and simple :

The citizens of ethnic russian regions of Ukraine, which had voted for an elected president of their choice ( - which won ) did not want to be rules by a junta ( regime ) that was clearly promoting repression of anything relating or ressembling Russia .

They asked for a special status ( semi-autonomous regions ) that was denied . They took arms to defend their territory and did a referendum on the statut of the region.
That was not recognized by Kiev that did their own elections without the participation of these citizens .

As Russia this or that, who the hell knows. We do know that the USA are actively invovled in Ukraine and being the puppetmaster :2 cents:

no no no,
Scientists Theorize Why Black Athletes Run Fastest

(btw here it is racist to claim that)

one of the problem is that our politics (especially obama and hollande) hate putin's style, so they want to humiliate his ostentatious and exaggerated manhood.
The problem is that you can never reach peace if you try to humiliate your ennemy and that's true for ukraine but also true for russia...

I'm pretty sure it was the Nazis whom did the invading and taking over of other countries land. Perhaps you should recheck your history books and reclassify whom plays the Nazi role this go around..

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you can't handle kiev, but you can handle the east of ukraine and it's a problem of population not a problem of war theory