While I agree with much of what you said, doing it creates reason to build the better technology because there is actual need vs wanting to create a better rocket engine for example.

Look how long we have for the most part just depended on launching a satellite and letting it float at that speed in which it was first projected never going faster or slower until it sling shots off another planet or hits it's final orbit.

There is no great need to develop anything fast, so resources go to other things. Start sending people to Mars and then there will be a need to speed up the process, so resources will be use to do just that.

As far as growing food or water, most of the ways around that have been tested already. It just needs to be refined.

Water can be squeezed at high compression out of the dirt on both the moon and on Mars. This has been tested and that is how they would likely get their water. To do that they would send the system to Mars ahead of time to make sure it was ready and working before people showed up.

As far as food, they would likely have to use some sort of green houses, which would also sent ahead of time, allowing them to start growing and producing food well before the people get there. There is no way around not producing their own food & water if they intend to colonize.

Who knows if dirt there would be good enough to grow with, but long as they had the water supply going, the most logical solution would be hydroponics.

Eventually technology would get there to build structures using 3d printing and the dirt on Mars, so they could start developing better infrastructure and have more room, that or start digging and building underground..

i bet that it's not gonna happen... now according to this video the main criteria to be selected is to be able to handle sexual frustration...

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that would be a fun trip something no one else has done :pimp:pimp:pimp

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Put that on Mars and I will find a way to get there, space tap 2x, see Mons Olympus, space tap again, and get back to earth in time for Walking Dead

I'm not so deluded that i think people are good and nothing but good and only capable of good. People are tribal. They are covetous. They are jealous. They are aggressive. They are violent. They get sick. They get stressed. They get cancer. They start fucking the others girlfriend. Mental disorders arise. Psychopaths routinely and successfully fake personality tests. Stress changes every one. Millions of things happen to change personalities, outlooks, mental states and trigger discontent and ultimately violence. Some people turn out to be perpetually lazy, some very hard workers. Everyone has a subjective idea of "fairness" that differs greatly from that of others.. Confinement ultimately brings out the very worst in people... just as every prison, everywhere ever fully demonstrates. You cannot predict who will lead and who will follow. You cannot predict uniform agreement and consensus on life altering decisions. You can easily predict discontent, disagreement, resentment, anger, jealousy, etc etc etc.

All that we are as people in terms of our behaviors, are constantly evolving and taking twists and turns which cannot be predicted. People can't just be voted "off the island" in this case, for developing problems with others.

You cannot predict how a person in today's state of mind will be behave in a future state on another planet or predict it at any given point of time. You just can't. It is not possible.

It's not even reasonable to predict positive future mental states under stressful and completely new conditions any more than you can predict the weather 1 month out.

You cannot predict how they are going to respond and react to leadership and each other when they are faced with countless life threatening events and life altering decisions that have to be made as a consequence. It only has to go wrong once, for everything to devolve into chaos.

There is no difference between 20 people and 100 people or 200 or 2000. These people, in whatever limited numbers are going to be confined, restricted in movement and locked up, unable to escape the company of those around them for the rest of their lives.

Furthermore, only people that would choose to die on Mars aren't exactly going to be the most stable personalities to begin with. A stable, normal, well adjusted person is one with a great career, a great marriage and a great family and friends. It goes against our biology to walk away from that as an emotionally healthy, well balanced and centered human being (no offense to your nomadic lifestyle and living in a vehicle). Someone lacking all that is undoubtedly dealing with personality problems that will not serve everyone well.

Eventually, primitive behaviors take over and people act like the evolved chimps that they are. This is always the case, everywhere... on the planet. It makes no sense that people think that in a world full of people who happily stand by and watch genocides unfold, watch children get raped, crucified, beheaded or sold as sex slaves are going to somehow be model citizens under the most extreme circumstances, every experienced by mankind.

Just having a "positive attitude" and "believing in the dream" isn't going to overcome the practical issues of dealing with the dark side of human nature.

If everyone only dwelled on and was scared of the dark side of human nature we would still be living in caves. You say that well adjusted people wouldn't walk away from a normal life, yet people do it everyday, knowing it might be their end.

Soldiers go off to war, with out being drafted.. Fishermen go off to sea in some of the most dangerous places on Earth.. Humans have long gone in search of the unknown in the face of danger. It's part of what separates us from those chimps in the trees.. We explore, we advance and we colonize new lands, it's what humans have done for thousands of years.

If we are to continue to thrive we now have to colonize new planets. It's what we will do or our species will eventually come to a wasted end here on this planet.

True pioneers that the world lacks in its leaders.
Exploring for the sake finding something new.
Knowing that you only live once so choose to live it on your terms - Good For Them!

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Some people are constant Debbie downers. At least you didn't come in here claiming to be an expert in the field Squealer. You have your opinion on MAN, the fact that we are here and thriving instead of just bashing each others heads in all the time proves you wrong.

Must really suck to see the world through such shit stained lenses.

I never mentioned anyone being "scared". In fact, nothing you said does anything at all to address the obvious behavior issues and subsequent problems which will obviously arise.

Shit stained lenses is the best you can do to address the practical issues that must be overcome which i've mentioned?

Things are rosey? People are bashing each others heads in all day, every single day, all over the globe. The entire middle east has been on fire since the dawn of man. Africa has been genocide central for a century. Europe has a war right now with Russia taking over the territory of a neighbor and killing people who resist. No one cares. Bid deal. Just another day. The history of mankind and before, been nothing but war, genocide, conquest and slavery... with only brief moments of peace. Genocides happen today... and no one cares. Little children are being butchered, crucified and sold as sex slaves across a swath of the middle east as we speak and no one cares. The list of horrible brutalities we commit against each other daily could go on forever and no one cares. It's not because we are well adjusted, enlightened beings. It's because we are more often than not, vicious chimps, pretending to be otherwise.

Ignoring the realities of human behavior doesn't mean those realities don't exist and don't have to be addressed in such an endeavor as sending a tiny group off into oblivion.

Some people are pure animals I agree. That is not the case with everyone. Those who would choose to go to Mars are a special breed of person. Will there be a few issues? Surely. However they are not going up there to die in a month. they are going up there to spend their lives in the pursuit of something great.

IF their basic food and survival needs remain filled I am guessing there won't be a personal emergency that would endanger the mission. Someone goes crazy? You lock them up or medicate them.

Surely you can concede that some people are better than others. I think that it would be a great honour to go there and work on setting up a place where Humans can grow and thrive in the future. The first people there will be be famous through out history.

The ones who build massive domes there to house the livestock and the ones who build domes to keep the farms going. The miners who build housing units into the ground or into existing cliffs...etc etc

These people will be remembered in 5000 years. You and I will just be two nerds arguing on an internet board.

I'm not saying its not a good thing to attempt. Nor am i saying its not important for mankind to try to figure out. I'm saying that the likely outcome initially will be a tragic, Lord of the Flies scenario... and each time, lessons will be learned and eventually it won't be a problem. I would personally imagine this only happening successfully as a military operation, with military discipline and a military hierarchy of leadership, rules, codes of conduct, courts etc. I just don't see a bunch of hopeful dreamers and do gooders pulling this off.

I just happened to read the thread and imagined how quickly people go haywire emotionally and mentally. Everyone pairs up with a mate.. .some of them don't get along, one becomes obsessed with his, she's freaked out by his behavior, she cheats on him, he starts getting hostile and violent etc etc etc. I mean literally there are countless things that normal people can be affected by which will push them into unspeakable acts, which will divide groups, make people jealous, suspicious, damage relationships beyond repair etc.. and that happen without the added stress of the Mars scenario. There is no possible way to even weigh the sheer mental stress of being trapped on another planet and never being able to go home, go to the beach, ride a bike, go for a walk, call grandma or whatever and then being trapped inside with a tiny group of people as they all start to wear on each other. Prisons are the closest thing to that but the fact is that most prisons are full of sociopaths and psychopaths and people with serious emotional problems to begin with. So they make for a poor study group.

I spent a huge part of my life commercial fishing. 5 guys on a 125' boat, in the middle of the Bering Sea can become homicidal towards each other very quickly. Shockingly quick. You get exhausted and stressed and tired... maybe things are going poorly and its nothing but problem after problem... you haven't slept for 2 days, you're wet for 2 days, cold, hungry etc and then maybe then someone does something that almost gets everyone killed. You seriously start thinking about disappearing that person and your mind quickly goes to disturbingly dark places. But in that scenario, you can also get off the boat. You can fly home or to Anchorage. You can get off the boat and call your family and feel better or whatever. In the Mars scenario... who knows. You're trapped in a small facility - a small shared facility until you die. There is no way at all to undo the decision you made for a very long time, if ever. That in itself, is a very harsh reality to adjust to for the toughest of people without going batshit crazy very quickly. People who crave adventure also don't like to sit in one place for very long ;)

This a nice idea... :) They should send criminals and suicidal folks there... :)

I just hope they require residency in order to buy the .mars domain extension.

i tell ya this, if'n i were on the list to go to mars the absolute first thing on my MArs to-do list would be to get some girls there preggo so I can lay claim to being the father of the first Martian.

Save me the time to search for it... Is Ted Nugent, Sarah Palin and others of their ilk on that list (Please say yes)

My 2 cents is that it's not gonna happen anytime soon ;)

They will die one day... but not on Mars LOL

You guys do things with the hard way; it is far easier to bang the chick before she leaves. And with some luck, the child will be popping out just in time. You can of course improve your ods by banging more chicks who are bound to leave. But not too many, so that Mars won't be populated with inbred Dynamos.

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