Fitty Escape Myths :Graucho

There are a lot of unanswered questions regarding almost everything that happens on this earth, even when there is video evidence and eyewitnesses - this fact allows anybody to imagine any number of possible explanations to the unanswered questions. normal people will look at these theories, judge the quality of the evidence and the credibility of those putting forth the conspiracy/explanation, simple people and those with a psychological need to believe the powerful are keeping secrets from them will believe in anything that supports that need.

LOL FBI reports - like the local police the FBI has a responsibility to investigate anything brought to their attention and make a report of it. In the conspiracy theory industry FBI and any government reports are gold, because they know that even if these scanned old documents prove nothing they know a very large number of stupid people will conclude that any FBI document with reference to any object or person involved in a conspiracy theory in and of itself is irrefutable evidence that the conspiracy was real. The black bars redacting names is the icing on the cake, government keeping more secrets.

Hitler had many people with him in that bunker, they watched the madman cracking up, he wasn't behaving like a man with any secret getaway planned, everything he did was consistent with a coward about to kill himself. He killed his beloved dog before him and Eva. Others in the bunker killed themselves rather than being taken prisoner. Hitler's mindset was to never surrender, he couldn't admit he was wrong, the Third Reich would fight to the bitter end - most in the Reich knew the war was going to end very badly for all of them for a very long time, it's why there were multiple assassination attempts on Hitler - it's those people who were working on contingency plans for themselves to escape to South America. Not Hitler.

It's unfortunate that the bodies were burned and the Russians collected the evidence.

well it explains allot now doesn't it.... it just does...

See, the bad thing about Hitler is he gave artists a bad name.

But seriously folks, the problem with Adolf Hitler is he ruined both little moustaches and the name Adolf.

Then again, he designed the Volkswagon Beetle.

Then again, he had one testicle.

So, I dunno. I'd say....yeah, a bad guy. I can never fit into a Beetle.

wehateporn posted a thread on this, had documents on how the FBI got involved etc. seemed a dude out of that part of the world had contacted the fbi looking for money on the location of adolf hitler, rumoured to be in argentina

there is a few weird quirks with the story, but, people rather believe what they are told on flimsy evidence rather than looking through other flimsy evidence and accepting the basic fact of 'i don't really know'

hahaha i wish i was a filmmaker. i'd love to do a comedy of Hitler living out his life as a gentleman farmer in the hills of Argentina, trying hard to mask his true identity but unable to no matter how hard he tries, always reverting back to his foaming at the mouth Fuhrer ways.

So he also ruined the name Einstein.

Considering the fact American oil companies gave support to German U-Boats in the Atlantic coast up until US officially entered the war, anything is possible. For that fact to become widely known might be embarrassing for some people. For the fact, if it is true, Standard supporting German U-Boats transporting Nazi elite, (fuel and provisions) to their new homes in South America would be incredibly hard to come back from.

Anyone know when fuel tankers started harboring offshore and delivering their cargo to refinery pipelines? That technology was developed and enhanced for the purposes of evading "legalities" in the Bahamas where Standard refueled the Nazi subs. No conspiracy theory here. It is documented.

Has anyone researched the "elements of the US government" that Eisenhower tried to warn Americans about????

IMHO, WW2 never ended, just the shooting via troops ended. I do know a lot of Germans and Italians fled Europe after ww2 and went to Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, etc.

Americans paid a lot for intelligence from Germany and Japan on their special projects. Medical and technological advances.

Interesting to me this article comes out in an Israeli newspaper as Obama's minions are in Israel trying to throw the election against Netanyahu. This article to me is possibly a subtle warning. Factor in, Mossad. Well, Mossad appears to be no friend of the Likuds. And Mossad, as capable as they are, are no match for the juice behind the military-industrial complex of the US.

No one here was in the bunker. All of us have a picture of WW2 based not on facts but on the winners marginally fictionalized "histories". And lets face it, people will say anything if the motivation is right.

Nazi and Neo-Nazi and Fascists from anywhere make me sick. I am with Dalton on this one, if he did live, the best thing actually...since he would be ill, sick and in terrible pain until he drew his last rancid, vile, wretched breath.

Bullshit.

That was Elvis.

If it doesn't support his view that hitler is/was running around in South America he doesn't want to hear it.

That means nothing. If it was not his skull, it does not mean he did not died, it only means that they did not have his skull.

And, by the way, all this discussion is so unbelievable. There are witnesses, like the secretary whose testimony was the plot of the movie Downfall.

It was impossible for him to scape at those dates. Others could not. The red army had the control of Berlin and there was no way out.

And if you think about it, suicide was the best option. The only alternative was being arrested and humiliated world wide while being incarcerated waiting for execution after years of senseless trials -senseless because all would know what he did, even he, and they would be made only to show that killing him after condemning him would be just, instead of just killing him at first sight-.

Coward?

It was not coward.

If it were not for this epic ending, Hitler would not be such a legend... Call it a bad legend, a bad person, whatever you want. But this is exactly what causes discomfort and annoys nationalists from the other countries that fought: they could not get him.

I am not defending what he did with the people. I am only saying that suicide is not a coward act nor the worst thing to do, and dying this way sometimes make history more epic.

And the human culture is full of this kind of endings, from Socrates to Tristan and Isolde (alias Romeo and Juliet).

It is hard to forget someone that actually had the courage to do it. Or would you say that the japanese kamikaze were cowards? They were convinced that they were doing the best they could to defend what they loved...

Were they wrong? Maybe, but that does not makes them cowards, only incorrect.

We will never know the truth! It's hard to say, but when i watch on this photo i think this man really looks like Hitler... but I have big doubts. Our population is 7 billion people and this is normal that we have twins or people who are very similar to us.

That is the way the cookie crumbles.

There's nothing courageous about suicide

Bullshit. We do know the truth.

Hitler committed suicide at the bunker.

Armstrong walked on the moon in 1969.

Muslim Fundamentalists crashed airliners into the twin towers and the pentagon.

You can get pregnant from anal.

The Earth is 6000 years old.

And of course....


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Hitler had many look alikes made by Third Reich. You know, to look like Hitler.

that is soo not true :winkwink:

it was designed by Ferdinand Porsche who "adapted" it from Tatra engineer Hans Ledwinka

(some might say he stole it)

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Hans Ledwinka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hitler just gave money for the development

no he doesn't, he's right. people who read random blogs, written by click bait champions, who try to use as fact in arguments should be shamed as much as possible. it deters other suckers who don't understand what a fact is from doing the same.

we should all ask questions on things, whether it be the state of the economy, political figures or even history. But cherry picking words written by ANYONE or just a random video made about something without any real backing isn't going to solve anything, all it does is white wash the issue and make all questions seem just as stupid in the process. By assuming governments or 'higher powers' are behind everything evil in the world just means you have replaced the word God for the word government--nothing less.

Dude your from Canada right?? You cant talk. America says so.

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Not directly related to this thread, but in 1964-1965 while stationed as a U.S. Army Captain in Berlin, every few weeks as my turn came up to be the overnight Duty Officer for U.S. Army, Berlin, one mandatory checklist item was for me to go inside the Spandau Prison and "lay eyes" upon Rudolf Hess to insure that he (Hitler's former Deputy) was physically still there in custody. Every three months, the Russians, British, French and Americans rotated responsibility for running Spandau. Hess passed away long ago. Another duty roster task we lieutenants and captains had was to periodically enter East Berlin in an American military vehicle and uniform via Check Point Charlie and assert the American right of freedom to access and to move around in the Russian Sector (the Russians had that same 4-Power right in our American Sector). When not functioning in duty roster matters, I was the Personnel Officer for the American Army Military Brigade stationed in West Berlin. My Wife, infant daughter, and I lived in military housing in the American Sector. The Berlin Wall had gone up a couple of years before my assignment there. I've driven past Hitler's Bunker many times while living/working in Berlin.

Are you referring to me ? I have a totally open mind and think this could have happened :2 cents: Unlike some in here who swear the "official" version is the correct one. History is written by the Victors, to suit their own agendas :thumbsup

this is actually a much bigger mystery

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Despite serious attempts to write history as someone pleases; it usually doesn't work. For starters as we have archeology, and history is studied extensively anyways. You may be bullshitting folks in North Korea and maybe in US (creationist stuff and such), but even in those countries people will get to know things as they are, although it might take some time.

And what comes to tinfoil hat stuff, it clearly demonstrates how many people are open to propaganda; from victors or not. So, history is also written by some weirdos with a computer and keyboard. Not any big victories required.

I remember that garden; it was small, but Hess loved being in it. One Sunday while checking on him, he insisted on showing it to me------I recall it being to the right as we (and one of the security guards) walked out into what reminded me of a small back yard; he had red roses and some tomatoes growing in it, and seemed very proud of the growth.

He wanted to show me everything he was planning to plant, but I was more focused on getting him safely back inside the prison-----he emphasized where grape vines were going to be planted the next year. Small world-----from a GFY thread to the stirring of ancient memories for me. At the time, he reminded me of my Grandpa back in Saratoga Springs, NY. And now, back to business stuff:-)

Thanks for sharing Dave !:thumbsup

It could have happened. There was lots of Nazi submarines running around at the close of war, and it's possible one left Europe with Adolf Hitler in it and made it to South America. It was pure chaos towards the end, and some of them did in fact slip through.

However, we have no evidence of this at all. We also have dozens of people who all tell the same exact story. At the same time, there is no reason why our government or any other government would have lied about this - if he did in fact live we would have hunted him down and killed him, plain and simple.

Then.... You would have thought the Mossad would have found him if he was a live.

I think he died exactly how we think he died, and the reason we cannot find his body is because it was smashed to smithereens when the Russians bombed every last inch of Germany. Keep in mind no one knew where the bunker was or even that Hitler was in it when Berlin was over run. If I remember correctly the first few people who entered the bunker were two or three female Russian soldiers.

The chaos was for the Germany, not allies. Running with nearly impunity, they were more organized than ever.

Some nazi submarines might have slipped through from Germany, but chances were not that great. Even when they were still in France, most submarines didn't get to the open sea from bay of Biscay, at the end nearly none. WWII submarines were mostly suface wessels, only exemption was Germany's latest and best submarine, but it too had to run on surface to recharge batteries.

the Russians knew exactly where the bunker was and that HItler was in it. Also, HItler's dead body was rolled up into the rug carried upstairs and outside then set on fire by some of his colleagues. HIs body and eva's were found there.

That really is an incredible story and amazing part of our world history to have been a part of or to have personally witnessed.

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I heard he moved to Brazil and opened a Gay bar!

Nothing could be further from the truth. The Allies were organized in many ways, but also completely over overwhelmed and constantly in motion. Towards the end of the war the allies were taking in millions and millions of German POWs and other "misplaced persons" and housing and feeding them.

It would be easy for a small group of Nazis to hide with the displaced persons and make it to the coast.

I also believe some Nazi submarines surrendered or otherwise scuttled their ships in South America weeks after the war had ended.

They believed her was in a bunker and that it was near the German Chancellery in the center of Berlin, but not exactly where. Narrowing down the location to a five block or ten block radius isn't too helpful, and even less so when there is a way going on, movement is limited, and bombs are raining down.

As for his body, it was laid to rest outside of the main bunker entrance in the garden of the German Chancellery building. I would imagine it was near where the Goebbels killed themselves. That entire area was bombed to death so it's highly unlikely that any remains of his body would have been found - between the fire the bombing, there would have been only fragments left. Keep in mind the Russians didn't exactly have time to deploy a forensics team - There was a war going on. The war went on for another week and even then was still a very dangerous place.

Yes, allies had troubles with all the prisoners, but it wasn't chaos; especially regarding this submarine issue. There weren't that much "misplaced persons" at the sea, and especially with submarines. And even in the land there were rear echelon troops after rear echelon troops.

Of course they could have dressed Hitler as some grandma and taken quite easily to the coast, if Hitler would have just wanted that. Getting some submarine and traveling to Argentina is a tad harder to accomplish.

the the Russian encirclement of Berlin clamped down around the Chancellory almost from the beginning. They knew where they were going.

The Russians had plenty of time to manhandle the HItler's corpse and that's exactly what they did, they buried him and dug him up several times, if memory serves, within that week.

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That picture is from WWII. These Jews had escaped from the Warsaw Ghetto and hid out in the forests. From their camp, they'd attack German troops. oddly, there was a Russian group living nearby in the forest doing the same thing. The 2 groups didn't get along.
The Avengers: A Jewish War Story was an interesting read.

It was pure chaos all around. You had multiple US armies rushing in, millions of people displayed, and little to no infrastructure. You couldn't check IDs; Most people were homeless and didn't have them. And it's not like the Nazis couldn't forge an ID by it's own government. Give Hitler some extra padding, shave off his mustache, give him a haircut and a pair of glasses, and no one would know who he was. Some nine thousand Nazis escaped to South America - It wasn't very difficult and much easier if you had money.

As for submarines, you make it sound like it's easy to find a submarine at sea and easy to destroy. Nothing could be further from the truth. They sneak in at night, pick him, and stay under water until nightfall. I can think of two Uboats that surrendered in South America after the way - U-530 and U-977.

While I believe Hitler committed suicide at the bunker, anything was possible and it's obvious it could have happened because thousands pulled it off.

The Russians bombed the Chancellory for over a month before they could get to it. I don't believe the Russians knew the bunker was there or even if there was a bunker; Their goal was the Chancellory.

If I recall correctly, I have a book that says the first two people to discover the bunker was two Russian women. I'll have to find that.

Because I love this stuff.....

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I pulled out my copy of "The Bunker" and on page 354 it says... More or less.... Hannes, the radio operator, was the last person in the bunker - everyone else had fled. He saw a group of people walking down the tunnel from the Chancellory. It turned out it was 12 women from the Red Army Medical Corps. They asked him first about where Hitler was, and then they quickly asked about Eva Braun. They asked to be taken to her room, where they quickly helped themselves to Eva's "frilly things".

The first Russians into the bunker were nurses on a sight seeing trip. The Russians had no clue of where the bunker was; It was discovered by accident by nurses.

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I'm not sure about that. The nazis were still committing suicide in the bunker up through the first couple days of may. hitler died late april i believe.

interesting. any more details on that?

It's a near impossibility that Hitler escaped alive - ludicrous really. Another conspiracy perpetrated by people who have a strong motive and gain from the myth. However it is fascinating to follow the motives and thought trails of conspiracy theorists and the gullible suckers that fall for them

Did you know that Rudolf Hess's real name was in fact Rudolf Hess-Hess

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There is a theory that he had moved in Argentina and lived there for a long time... But, how knows...

What does anyone gain from it after all his time? :2 cents:

You use too much that "nothing could be further from the truth." Regarding submarine detection, I think one word is sufficient: radar, and for tad more words; especially radar equipped submarine hunting airplanes. That is how the submarines got sunk at the Bay of Biscay, and also in generally most of the later war German subs fell to radar equipped submarine hunting airplanes, those could detect even sub's snorkel.

Yes, Hitler could have escaped to South America, but most probably not with submarine, and he didn't do it with any way.