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georgeyw 02-10-2015 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20389577)
How can you be sure he didn't turn into a magical unicorn and fly away on a rainbow? You weren't there. You probably don't even believe in magical unicorns :disgust

Jesus christ, you need to learn how to have a discussion without impressing upon everyone how amazing you think you are :2 cents:

MPGdevil 02-10-2015 07:05 PM

I've heard they keep a cloned Hitler at Area 51. Kinda like Ellen Ripley in Alien Resurrection. You know all the UFO stories? That's actually Hitler circulating over our heads making new plans to conquer the world.

mikesouth 02-10-2015 07:06 PM

ya thats a very old and very NOT true story. if you know the real history he was, as was pointed out, a very sick man...likely dying from various poisons he was being injected with by his personal physician Dr Theodor Morell as "medicine".

The decline in his mental facilities was evidenced by his strategic decisions in his latter years.

I dont think there is any doubt he died in that bunker by his own hand but even if he did not he wouldn't have lived long enough nor was he in good enough health to even make the trip to Argentina

lezinterracial 02-10-2015 07:08 PM

I don't believe Hitler could have got out of there.

Josef Mengele died in 79 in Brazil.

This was spot by a police helicopter not too long ago, Over Brazil
http://i.imgur.com/F0GEfKq.jpg

MaDalton 02-10-2015 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20389647)
ya thats a very old and very NOT true story. if you know the real history he was, as was pointed out, a very sick man...likely dying from various poisons he was being injected with by his personal physician Dr Theodor Morell as "medicine".

The decline in his mental facilities was evidenced by his strategic decisions in his latter years.

I dont think there is any doubt he died in that bunker by his own hand but even if he did not he wouldn't have lived long enough nor was he in good enough health to even make the trip to Argentina

apparently from the last videos of him they took that he also had Parkinsons (shape of his body, shaky hands)

like you said - even IF he made it out, it would not have been for long

but i have no doubt it ended that night

mikesouth 02-10-2015 08:04 PM

madalton yer right about his deformities but it likely wasnt parkinsons if ya wanna slog through it (Its really a good, interesting story) read this

Der Fartenführer: The Story of Hitler?s Illnesses - Neatorama

thats a reprint of a lot of the history I read.

AdultKing 02-10-2015 08:07 PM


TheSquealer 02-10-2015 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20389623)
I've been always buying butter from Mr H., he has a great quality stuff at modest prices :winkwink:

That would be a weird day right? "Hey honey, you know that guy 'Steve', our butter guy? Turns out that's not his real name"

TheSquealer 02-10-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 20389636)
Jesus christ, you need to learn how to have a discussion without impressing upon everyone how amazing you think you are :2 cents:

I didn't intend to insult any unicorn fans. My apologies.

ilnjscb 02-10-2015 09:32 PM

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JFK 02-10-2015 09:33 PM

Fitty Escape Myths :Graucho

Mutt 02-10-2015 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 20389610)
Not trying to be a hero, but there are a lot of unanswered questions regarding this issue. You cant belive everything you are fed as a matter of course:2 cents: Question what is real and what is not, except for Unicorns of course :Graucho

There are a lot of unanswered questions regarding almost everything that happens on this earth, even when there is video evidence and eyewitnesses - this fact allows anybody to imagine any number of possible explanations to the unanswered questions. normal people will look at these theories, judge the quality of the evidence and the credibility of those putting forth the conspiracy/explanation, simple people and those with a psychological need to believe the powerful are keeping secrets from them will believe in anything that supports that need.

LOL FBI reports - like the local police the FBI has a responsibility to investigate anything brought to their attention and make a report of it. In the conspiracy theory industry FBI and any government reports are gold, because they know that even if these scanned old documents prove nothing they know a very large number of stupid people will conclude that any FBI document with reference to any object or person involved in a conspiracy theory in and of itself is irrefutable evidence that the conspiracy was real. The black bars redacting names is the icing on the cake, government keeping more secrets.

Hitler had many people with him in that bunker, they watched the madman cracking up, he wasn't behaving like a man with any secret getaway planned, everything he did was consistent with a coward about to kill himself. He killed his beloved dog before him and Eva. Others in the bunker killed themselves rather than being taken prisoner. Hitler's mindset was to never surrender, he couldn't admit he was wrong, the Third Reich would fight to the bitter end - most in the Reich knew the war was going to end very badly for all of them for a very long time, it's why there were multiple assassination attempts on Hitler - it's those people who were working on contingency plans for themselves to escape to South America. Not Hitler.

It's unfortunate that the bodies were burned and the Russians collected the evidence.

x12media 02-10-2015 10:32 PM

well it explains allot now doesn't it.... it just does...

The Porn Nerd 02-10-2015 11:05 PM

See, the bad thing about Hitler is he gave artists a bad name.

But seriously folks, the problem with Adolf Hitler is he ruined both little moustaches and the name Adolf.

Then again, he designed the Volkswagon Beetle.

Then again, he had one testicle.

So, I dunno. I'd say....yeah, a bad guy. I can never fit into a Beetle.

_Richard_ 02-10-2015 11:38 PM

wehateporn posted a thread on this, had documents on how the FBI got involved etc. seemed a dude out of that part of the world had contacted the fbi looking for money on the location of adolf hitler, rumoured to be in argentina

there is a few weird quirks with the story, but, people rather believe what they are told on flimsy evidence rather than looking through other flimsy evidence and accepting the basic fact of 'i don't really know'

Mutt 02-11-2015 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20389457)
Of course, Nazi hunters from all over the planet chased these guys down in South America and everywhere else and brought them to justice but Hitler... the most easily identifiable and recognizable of all of them, a Charlie Chaplin looking dude..., a deranged midget, a murderous psychopathic lunatic suffering from syphilis and a methamphetamine addiction, managed to live a quiet little life growing tomato's and radish's. Because if anyone is going to just settle down and take up a nice hobby like building handmade wooden furniture or selling his own butter in the farmers market... its Adolph Hitler.

Sounds legit.


This story has been around for decades btw..

hahaha i wish i was a filmmaker. i'd love to do a comedy of Hitler living out his life as a gentleman farmer in the hills of Argentina, trying hard to mask his true identity but unable to no matter how hard he tries, always reverting back to his foaming at the mouth Fuhrer ways.

MPGdevil 02-11-2015 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20389807)
But seriously folks, the problem with Adolf Hitler is he ruined both little moustaches and the name Adolf.

Then again, he had one testicle.

So he also ruined the name Einstein.

Captain Kawaii 02-11-2015 01:19 AM

Considering the fact American oil companies gave support to German U-Boats in the Atlantic coast up until US officially entered the war, anything is possible. For that fact to become widely known might be embarrassing for some people. For the fact, if it is true, Standard supporting German U-Boats transporting Nazi elite, (fuel and provisions) to their new homes in South America would be incredibly hard to come back from.

Anyone know when fuel tankers started harboring offshore and delivering their cargo to refinery pipelines? That technology was developed and enhanced for the purposes of evading "legalities" in the Bahamas where Standard refueled the Nazi subs. No conspiracy theory here. It is documented.

Has anyone researched the "elements of the US government" that Eisenhower tried to warn Americans about????

IMHO, WW2 never ended, just the shooting via troops ended. I do know a lot of Germans and Italians fled Europe after ww2 and went to Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, etc.

Americans paid a lot for intelligence from Germany and Japan on their special projects. Medical and technological advances.

Interesting to me this article comes out in an Israeli newspaper as Obama's minions are in Israel trying to throw the election against Netanyahu. This article to me is possibly a subtle warning. Factor in, Mossad. Well, Mossad appears to be no friend of the Likuds. And Mossad, as capable as they are, are no match for the juice behind the military-industrial complex of the US.

No one here was in the bunker. All of us have a picture of WW2 based not on facts but on the winners marginally fictionalized "histories". And lets face it, people will say anything if the motivation is right.

Nazi and Neo-Nazi and Fascists from anywhere make me sick. I am with Dalton on this one, if he did live, the best thing actually...since he would be ill, sick and in terrible pain until he drew his last rancid, vile, wretched breath.

NewNick 02-11-2015 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat (Post 20389598)
i had a beer with him on last european summit in sitges

Bullshit.

That was Elvis.

OneHungLo 02-11-2015 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20389595)
until her death?

read what she wrote, if she would cover that up she would be much more negative about Hitler and that time

but like i said earlier - being alive would have been a much bigger punishment to Hitler than being dead

and we can be pretty sure that no matter what he's dead now

If it doesn't support his view that hitler is/was running around in South America he doesn't want to hear it.

duk75 02-11-2015 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 20389452)
Tests on skull fragment cast doubt on Adolf Hitler suicide story
Bone with bullet hole found by Russians in 1946 came from an unknown woman, not the German leader
Tests on skull fragment cast doubt on Adolf Hitler suicide story | World news | The Guardian


Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That means nothing. If it was not his skull, it does not mean he did not died, it only means that they did not have his skull.

hadden 02-11-2015 05:18 AM

Are these classified FBI files proof ADOLF HITLER escaped by SUBMARINE to Argentina? | Weird | News | Daily Express

duk75 02-11-2015 05:19 AM

And, by the way, all this discussion is so unbelievable. There are witnesses, like the secretary whose testimony was the plot of the movie Downfall.

It was impossible for him to scape at those dates. Others could not. The red army had the control of Berlin and there was no way out.

And if you think about it, suicide was the best option. The only alternative was being arrested and humiliated world wide while being incarcerated waiting for execution after years of senseless trials -senseless because all would know what he did, even he, and they would be made only to show that killing him after condemning him would be just, instead of just killing him at first sight-.

duk75 02-11-2015 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20389781)
everything he did was consistent with a coward about to kill himself.

Coward?

It was not coward.

If it were not for this epic ending, Hitler would not be such a legend... Call it a bad legend, a bad person, whatever you want. But this is exactly what causes discomfort and annoys nationalists from the other countries that fought: they could not get him.

I am not defending what he did with the people. I am only saying that suicide is not a coward act nor the worst thing to do, and dying this way sometimes make history more epic.

And the human culture is full of this kind of endings, from Socrates to Tristan and Isolde (alias Romeo and Juliet).

It is hard to forget someone that actually had the courage to do it. Or would you say that the japanese kamikaze were cowards? They were convinced that they were doing the best they could to defend what they loved...

Were they wrong? Maybe, but that does not makes them cowards, only incorrect.

JeepersCreepers 02-11-2015 08:17 AM

We will never know the truth! It's hard to say, but when i watch on this photo i think this man really looks like Hitler... but I have big doubts. Our population is 7 billion people and this is normal that we have twins or people who are very similar to us.

scottybuzz 02-11-2015 08:28 AM

That is the way the cookie crumbles.

dyna mo 02-11-2015 08:32 AM

There's nothing courageous about suicide

NewNick 02-11-2015 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JeepersCreepers (Post 20390111)
We will never know the truth! It's hard to say, but when i watch on this photo i think this man really looks like Hitler... but I have big doubts. Our population is 7 billion people and this is normal that we have twins or people who are very similar to us.

Bullshit. We do know the truth.

Hitler committed suicide at the bunker.

Armstrong walked on the moon in 1969.

Muslim Fundamentalists crashed airliners into the twin towers and the pentagon.

You can get pregnant from anal.

The Earth is 6000 years old.

And of course....


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aka123 02-11-2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JeepersCreepers (Post 20390111)
We will never know the truth! It's hard to say, but when i watch on this photo i think this man really looks like Hitler... but I have big doubts. Our population is 7 billion people and this is normal that we have twins or people who are very similar to us.

Hitler had many look alikes made by Third Reich. You know, to look like Hitler.

MaDalton 02-11-2015 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20389807)
Then again, he designed the Volkswagon Beetle.

that is soo not true :winkwink:

it was designed by Ferdinand Porsche who "adapted" it from Tatra engineer Hans Ledwinka

(some might say he stole it)

Tatra V570 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hans Ledwinka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hitler just gave money for the development

PR_Glen 02-11-2015 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 20389636)
Jesus christ, you need to learn how to have a discussion without impressing upon everyone how amazing you think you are :2 cents:

no he doesn't, he's right. people who read random blogs, written by click bait champions, who try to use as fact in arguments should be shamed as much as possible. it deters other suckers who don't understand what a fact is from doing the same.

we should all ask questions on things, whether it be the state of the economy, political figures or even history. But cherry picking words written by ANYONE or just a random video made about something without any real backing isn't going to solve anything, all it does is white wash the issue and make all questions seem just as stupid in the process. By assuming governments or 'higher powers' are behind everything evil in the world just means you have replaced the word God for the word government--nothing less.

pornguy 02-11-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20389544)
America rules the world?

Wait...wha...?!

Dude your from Canada right?? You cant talk. America says so.

hehehe

davecummings 02-11-2015 10:11 AM

Not directly related to this thread, but in 1964-1965 while stationed as a U.S. Army Captain in Berlin, every few weeks as my turn came up to be the overnight Duty Officer for U.S. Army, Berlin, one mandatory checklist item was for me to go inside the Spandau Prison and "lay eyes" upon Rudolf Hess to insure that he (Hitler's former Deputy) was physically still there in custody. Every three months, the Russians, British, French and Americans rotated responsibility for running Spandau. Hess passed away long ago. Another duty roster task we lieutenants and captains had was to periodically enter East Berlin in an American military vehicle and uniform via Check Point Charlie and assert the American right of freedom to access and to move around in the Russian Sector (the Russians had that same 4-Power right in our American Sector). When not functioning in duty roster matters, I was the Personnel Officer for the American Army Military Brigade stationed in West Berlin. My Wife, infant daughter, and I lived in military housing in the American Sector. The Berlin Wall had gone up a couple of years before my assignment there. I've driven past Hitler's Bunker many times while living/working in Berlin.

JFK 02-11-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 20389945)
If it doesn't support his view that hitler is/was running around in South America he doesn't want to hear it.

Are you referring to me ? I have a totally open mind and think this could have happened :2 cents: Unlike some in here who swear the "official" version is the correct one. History is written by the Victors, to suit their own agendas :thumbsup

MaDalton 02-11-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by davecummings (Post 20390236)
Not directly related to this thread, but in 1964-1965 while stationed as a U.S. Army Captain in Berlin, every few weeks as my turn came up to be the overnight Duty Officer for U.S. Army, Berlin, one mandatory checklist item was for me to go inside the Spandau Prison and "lay eyes" upon Rudolf Hess to insure that he (Hitler's former Deputy) was physically still there in custody. Every three months, the Russians, British, French and Americans rotated responsibility for running Spandau. Hess passed away long ago.

this is actually a much bigger mystery

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Hess died on 17 August 1987 at the age of 93 in a summer house that had been set up in the prison garden as a reading room. He took an extension cord from one of the lamps, strung it over a window latch, and hanged himself. Death occurred by asphyxiation. A short note to his family, thanking them for all they had done, was found in his pocket. The Four Powers released a statement on 17 September ruling the death a suicide. Initially buried at a secret location to avoid media attention or demonstrations by Nazi sympathisers, Hess was re-interred in a family plot at Wunsiedel on 17 March 1988, and his wife was buried beside him when she died in 1995.[123] Spandau Prison was demolished to prevent it from becoming a Nazi shrine.[124]

His lawyer, Dr Seidl, felt Hess was too old and frail to have managed to kill himself. Wolf Rüdiger Hess repeatedly claimed that his father had been murdered by the British Secret Intelligence Service to prevent him from revealing information about British misconduct during the war.
Rudolf Hess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chrisdong 02-11-2015 11:11 AM

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aka123 02-11-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 20390243)
Are you referring to me ? I have a totally open mind and think this could have happened :2 cents: Unlike some in here who swear the "official" version is the correct one. History is written by the Victors, to suit their own agendas :thumbsup

Despite serious attempts to write history as someone pleases; it usually doesn't work. For starters as we have archeology, and history is studied extensively anyways. You may be bullshitting folks in North Korea and maybe in US (creationist stuff and such), but even in those countries people will get to know things as they are, although it might take some time.

And what comes to tinfoil hat stuff, it clearly demonstrates how many people are open to propaganda; from victors or not. So, history is also written by some weirdos with a computer and keyboard. Not any big victories required.

davecummings 02-11-2015 01:06 PM

I remember that garden; it was small, but Hess loved being in it. One Sunday while checking on him, he insisted on showing it to me------I recall it being to the right as we (and one of the security guards) walked out into what reminded me of a small back yard; he had red roses and some tomatoes growing in it, and seemed very proud of the growth.

He wanted to show me everything he was planning to plant, but I was more focused on getting him safely back inside the prison-----he emphasized where grape vines were going to be planted the next year. Small world-----from a GFY thread to the stirring of ancient memories for me. At the time, he reminded me of my Grandpa back in Saratoga Springs, NY. And now, back to business stuff:-)

JFK 02-11-2015 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by davecummings (Post 20390398)
I remember that garden; it was small, but Hess loved being in it. One Sunday while checking on him, he insisted on showing it to me------I recall it being to the right as we (and one of the security guards) walked out into what reminded me of a small back yard; he had red roses and some tomatoes growing in it, and seemed very proud of the growth.

He wanted to show me everything he was planning to plant, but I was more focused on getting him safely back inside the prison-----he emphasized where grape vines were going to be planted the next year. Small world-----from a GFY thread to the stirring of ancient memories for me. At the time, he reminded me of my Grandpa back in Saratoga Springs, NY. And now, back to business stuff:-)

Thanks for sharing Dave !:thumbsup

Rochard 02-11-2015 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 20390243)
Are you referring to me ? I have a totally open mind and think this could have happened :2 cents: Unlike some in here who swear the "official" version is the correct one. History is written by the Victors, to suit their own agendas :thumbsup

It could have happened. There was lots of Nazi submarines running around at the close of war, and it's possible one left Europe with Adolf Hitler in it and made it to South America. It was pure chaos towards the end, and some of them did in fact slip through.

However, we have no evidence of this at all. We also have dozens of people who all tell the same exact story. At the same time, there is no reason why our government or any other government would have lied about this - if he did in fact live we would have hunted him down and killed him, plain and simple.

Then.... You would have thought the Mossad would have found him if he was a live.

I think he died exactly how we think he died, and the reason we cannot find his body is because it was smashed to smithereens when the Russians bombed every last inch of Germany. Keep in mind no one knew where the bunker was or even that Hitler was in it when Berlin was over run. If I remember correctly the first few people who entered the bunker were two or three female Russian soldiers.


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