The chaos was for the Germany, not allies. Running with nearly impunity, they were more organized than ever.

Some nazi submarines might have slipped through from Germany, but chances were not that great. Even when they were still in France, most submarines didn't get to the open sea from bay of Biscay, at the end nearly none. WWII submarines were mostly suface wessels, only exemption was Germany's latest and best submarine, but it too had to run on surface to recharge batteries.

the Russians knew exactly where the bunker was and that HItler was in it. Also, HItler's dead body was rolled up into the rug carried upstairs and outside then set on fire by some of his colleagues. HIs body and eva's were found there.

That really is an incredible story and amazing part of our world history to have been a part of or to have personally witnessed.

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I heard he moved to Brazil and opened a Gay bar!

Nothing could be further from the truth. The Allies were organized in many ways, but also completely over overwhelmed and constantly in motion. Towards the end of the war the allies were taking in millions and millions of German POWs and other "misplaced persons" and housing and feeding them.

It would be easy for a small group of Nazis to hide with the displaced persons and make it to the coast.

I also believe some Nazi submarines surrendered or otherwise scuttled their ships in South America weeks after the war had ended.

They believed her was in a bunker and that it was near the German Chancellery in the center of Berlin, but not exactly where. Narrowing down the location to a five block or ten block radius isn't too helpful, and even less so when there is a way going on, movement is limited, and bombs are raining down.

As for his body, it was laid to rest outside of the main bunker entrance in the garden of the German Chancellery building. I would imagine it was near where the Goebbels killed themselves. That entire area was bombed to death so it's highly unlikely that any remains of his body would have been found - between the fire the bombing, there would have been only fragments left. Keep in mind the Russians didn't exactly have time to deploy a forensics team - There was a war going on. The war went on for another week and even then was still a very dangerous place.

Yes, allies had troubles with all the prisoners, but it wasn't chaos; especially regarding this submarine issue. There weren't that much "misplaced persons" at the sea, and especially with submarines. And even in the land there were rear echelon troops after rear echelon troops.

Of course they could have dressed Hitler as some grandma and taken quite easily to the coast, if Hitler would have just wanted that. Getting some submarine and traveling to Argentina is a tad harder to accomplish.

the the Russian encirclement of Berlin clamped down around the Chancellory almost from the beginning. They knew where they were going.

The Russians had plenty of time to manhandle the HItler's corpse and that's exactly what they did, they buried him and dug him up several times, if memory serves, within that week.

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That picture is from WWII. These Jews had escaped from the Warsaw Ghetto and hid out in the forests. From their camp, they'd attack German troops. oddly, there was a Russian group living nearby in the forest doing the same thing. The 2 groups didn't get along.
The Avengers: A Jewish War Story was an interesting read.

It was pure chaos all around. You had multiple US armies rushing in, millions of people displayed, and little to no infrastructure. You couldn't check IDs; Most people were homeless and didn't have them. And it's not like the Nazis couldn't forge an ID by it's own government. Give Hitler some extra padding, shave off his mustache, give him a haircut and a pair of glasses, and no one would know who he was. Some nine thousand Nazis escaped to South America - It wasn't very difficult and much easier if you had money.

As for submarines, you make it sound like it's easy to find a submarine at sea and easy to destroy. Nothing could be further from the truth. They sneak in at night, pick him, and stay under water until nightfall. I can think of two Uboats that surrendered in South America after the way - U-530 and U-977.

While I believe Hitler committed suicide at the bunker, anything was possible and it's obvious it could have happened because thousands pulled it off.

The Russians bombed the Chancellory for over a month before they could get to it. I don't believe the Russians knew the bunker was there or even if there was a bunker; Their goal was the Chancellory.

If I recall correctly, I have a book that says the first two people to discover the bunker was two Russian women. I'll have to find that.

Because I love this stuff.....

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I pulled out my copy of "The Bunker" and on page 354 it says... More or less.... Hannes, the radio operator, was the last person in the bunker - everyone else had fled. He saw a group of people walking down the tunnel from the Chancellory. It turned out it was 12 women from the Red Army Medical Corps. They asked him first about where Hitler was, and then they quickly asked about Eva Braun. They asked to be taken to her room, where they quickly helped themselves to Eva's "frilly things".

The first Russians into the bunker were nurses on a sight seeing trip. The Russians had no clue of where the bunker was; It was discovered by accident by nurses.

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I'm not sure about that. The nazis were still committing suicide in the bunker up through the first couple days of may. hitler died late april i believe.

interesting. any more details on that?

It's a near impossibility that Hitler escaped alive - ludicrous really. Another conspiracy perpetrated by people who have a strong motive and gain from the myth. However it is fascinating to follow the motives and thought trails of conspiracy theorists and the gullible suckers that fall for them

Did you know that Rudolf Hess's real name was in fact Rudolf Hess-Hess

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There is a theory that he had moved in Argentina and lived there for a long time... But, how knows...

What does anyone gain from it after all his time? :2 cents:

You use too much that "nothing could be further from the truth." Regarding submarine detection, I think one word is sufficient: radar, and for tad more words; especially radar equipped submarine hunting airplanes. That is how the submarines got sunk at the Bay of Biscay, and also in generally most of the later war German subs fell to radar equipped submarine hunting airplanes, those could detect even sub's snorkel.

Yes, Hitler could have escaped to South America, but most probably not with submarine, and he didn't do it with any way.

"In early 1944 Döniz ordered a renewed effort, only to lose 37 submarines and sink only three merchant ships. Most submarines were not even able to break out of their port areas in the Bay of Biscay before being located and sunk by marauding aircraft."

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If Hitler would have wanted to get out of Germany, at least I would have chosen some other method than submarine.