Only clowns like you think that way. But who cares, actually? :winkwink:

Course some unknown American professor of English knows the roots of the word "Ukraine" better than me - the native Russian speaker, and he can interpret/translate it better? You, Americans are so cute when you are trying to be smarter than all the other world :1orglaugh

To dissertate about English meaning of some Russian word, you have to learn its roots (I mean the roots and true meaning of that word and rules of its using in Russian). I don't think your professor can understand Russian at least on the same level as me, to interpret the meaning of "Украина" (if the one that stupid to understand its meaning, he can't translate it to other language). Once again, right now we are just talking about English translation of the Russian word. Your professor did it breaking the rules of Russian language. Maybe he is a great in English, but he should stay away from Russian language, because he knows nothing about it.

france at war:
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this is a hell of a funy picture...

can't kelp myself wondering WRF that guy was thinking of when he put on that costume

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How is it possible to make peace if all involved parties don't want to stop fighting?

Putin is sending tanks/rocket launchers while Obama is sending tank killers to Europe.

You are very brainwashed, little Borski.

As for that last topics where you claimed no knowledge of Russians eating Human flesh because they were starving. Here is a refresher course for your history lesson of today..

Russian famine of 1921 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not only did it happen in the self made famine in 1921 but also during WW2.

Both times the Good ole USA bailed your Russian asses out.. So why is it you hate us so much?

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P.S. I don't hate you at all. I just feel for you, a little stupid one.

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ronnie raygun with a rgp 7 ?

At least France seems to have younger troops. All Russian soldiers seems to be gramps based on CyberSEO's objective intel.

This means very little to anyone.

First, only fifteen percent of the people of Crimea voted to leave Ukraine and move over to Russia and.... Ukraine had nothing to say about this? (Does this mean fifteen percent of the population of Texas can vote to leave the United States the rest of the population, no less the entire United States, has no say in it?)

Second, what happened with Crimea has very little to do with this. If Eastern Ukraine wants to leave and form it's own country, have a fucking a vote. It might just pass too because anyone who is against this has left the area.

I understand that Russian and Ukrainian ties are extremely close and have been for some time. But that doesn't give Russia the right to decide what is best for citizens of another country. Russia is encouraging this, and then supporting this.

I have friends who live in Crimea and also friends who live in Donetsk. I understand there are two sides to this story (my friends there are opposing sides too), but in at the end of the day this is all happening because Russia is promoting this and supporting this.

The History Of Everything IMO.

1. Back in the USSR times, after numerous wars, repressions and henocides were killed a lot of good and elite people, many escaped and immigrated. It resulted in having a Soviet Human creation - irresponsible, sneaky bastard not being able to act on his own but in groups under control of a self proclaimed leader, basically what happened was a total DNA wreck and modification - only fuck turds survived. That would mean no matter what you do the next leader would be an ass hat turd. Thus mentality, lifestyle, total fear and corruption.

2. When USSR went to shit nobody actually knew what to do with their freedom ( rather pseudo freedom ). It did not change quality of the people - more, what was rather on hold in times of a strong leader went ballistic - nearly anarchic way.

3. USSR center was in Moscow, so even after collapsing they kept all the Soviet tech including propaganda, wealth and weapons facing outwards to the West.

4. Putin, as a strong leader, decided to change the rules and started his own game carefully studying the Western moves, touching Western butts here and there checking the reaction which was NONE in most cases. La piovra strategy in Putin's hands made a new meaning spreading around FSU countries.

5. 2004 brought Ukrainians hope to see the change, but somehow things went ugly and Putin managed to get under Yuschenko's skin to make him take Yanukovich on board - now Yuschenko is doing well and was never given any doubt of his actions. Back to DNA wreck theory - all the parade is being watched by Ukrainian nation, tired, robbed, scared people - zombified and low profile masses - elites are gone ( killed in wars, camps, jails, sent away, immigrated ). Eventually all the Ukrainian character - "My house stands aside" took over and people simply tried not giving a fuck adjusting to reality - paying bribes, dealing with mediocre living on everyday basis - stealing where possible, robbing the budget, cutting some here and there - surviving.

6. We would all laugh at Yanukovich with all his golden WC and shit if it wasn't about to start crying. Apparently, there were still people left in the country who stood up against his regime and made Putin very angry as he was definitely sure of controlling Ukraine via Yanukovich. Who would've thought Putin's economic appetites went that far to start a non existent divide in the Ukrainian society - it's a made up trick to tell Ukraine is not united.

7. One day Ukraine had a gay moment to give up all the nuclear weapon for shit - a paper that was meant something back in the day and apparently it means nothing these days. Budapest memorandum went to shit - this is the moment West should start worrying on a serious level. Why is he not worried much? Because they do not care about a DNA wrecked mordor ( All the FSU ) - they're watching and mind their own business interests. I could be wrong, but may be while Ukraine is on fire, West is getting shit together to be ready when time's up.

8. It's true that Crimea and Eastern Ukraine speaks Russian. There is historical connection to that. But that's how Putin decides to invade for saving Russians in Ukraine... from what? It's clear Ukraine would not stand against full scale war with Russia alone. This is why some would call Poroshenko stupid and failing in his agreements, isn't the West itself doing the same - waiting, gathering shit together using Ukraine as shield?

Conclusion:

West does not want to admit Putin has been fucking them longer then they even thought.
At some point I can understand the Western comfort living based on Russian gas supply and shit, if they fail people would tear them apart even in EU. Because when things get ugly people are the same everywhere. US has it's advantage, might play a world leader card again soon if EU takes action accidentally and gets hit by Putin US would win it all.

Indeed. 8 char

i am not sure what you are saying but i was supporting what you wrote...

Putin is scaling. He should have been stopped in Georgia. Admit it.

Let's say it is true that Russia is involved.

What does that change ? Super power countries always use their influence directly or thru bodies such as Nato, UN, etc ...

Did you hear the clip in which Obama says :

Obama: ?We have to Twist Arms when Countries don?t do What we Need them to Do?

If ONE country has been doing this, it is the USA ( now thru NATO ) .... doesn't make what other does right, but does explain it.

Twisting arms does not mean secretly sending in tens of thousands of troops with tanks and missile launchers. Russia is trying to quietly subdue an entire country by force while pretending not to. First they took Crimea, now Eastern Ukraine, and then next year they will take the rest.

If Russia is not involved, why doesn't the US just send in troops to support the Ukrainian government? We wouldn't get into a war with Russia because they aren't there.

I understand Russia's concerns. Traditionally since the end of WWII they have wanted huge buffer zone of puppet states between them and Europe. But the truth is everyone wants to be a part of Europe and no one really wants to be a part of Russia. It's not like Germany is going to be invading any time soon.

Lets say it's "true"? Do you really think Russia is not supporting the rebels with weapons & soldiers?

i wish people would read what was posted in this thread instead of speculating about things that are already settled

Russian rebels have a very odd understanding of the words ceasefire..

They continue to shell a town which is contested even after the ceasefire took place..

"Eduard Basurin, a senior rebel commander, told Reuters: "Of course we can open fire (on Debaltseve). It is our territory. The territory is internal: ours. And internal is internal. But along the line of confrontation there is no shooting."

This is why you just can't ever trust a Ruski..

Ukraine cease-fire holds, except in one spot - CBS News

There are no Russian rebels on the Ukraine, you moron. Those are UKRAINIAN REBELS.

http://newsbusters7.s3.amazonaws.com...R-Costello.jpg

Is she your cousin? The level of your stupidity is just amazing (I'm not surprised that 5th of Americans can't locate their own country on the World map).

Or Russians rebeling in Ukraine. Or whatever you like to call these Russian soldiers/ Russians (while not serving in Russia's military) in Ukraine.

You know how I know that you can never trust a Ruski? Because everyone in the world understands there are Russian Soldiers in Ukraine fighting, but you still come here and lie about it as if you actually believe your own bullshit.

Nikogda ne doveryayte -russki

There are a lot of good American people, but it's sad to see a lot of dumb asses brained washed by cnn/fox/etc... Let's take a super easy simple example to understand with Canada:

Quebec (french) always want to separate from (English) Canada. Let's say Canada had Quebec born prime minister (let's call him president). Now, let's assume huge strike is going on and English side with weapons beats/burns police force in Ottawa, and they do armed take over of the parliament building. Then, this (English) armed group puts their people in charge of the country, and first they do is try to ban French language. Two questions:

1. How would USA react to this? would they support armed group who overthrew democratically elected president?(it doesn't matter that the president was corrupt, he was elected)
2. When English side would roll tanks/troops towards Quebec/Montreal, what would French people do? just accept it?
3. When English side would shell Montreal all day long killing regular people daily, would USA blame pro-french separatists for doing that?

There are NO Russian military present, please show proof (other then screenshots from a computer game by US). There are however Russian and MANY other nationalities who came on their own to support donbass. Same goes for Ukraine, on Ukrainian side there are a ton of polish, geogians, chechens, swedish, belgium, etc. You know nothing about this conflict, stop watching CNN.

"I will only put the head in -- I promise"
"I will pull out before I shoot my load"

It's a dog and pony show ...

US did it in Kosovo, thousand miles from own border, helping and arming muslim terrorists. Russians are just doing same,still on smaller scale and decades too late.

Who wants to be in EU? Many countries were forced into Eu without any kind of referendum about it That is process that you need to feel before understanding how it is done and how much money and effort is put to force complete countries into EU.

I don't get why Russians are even hiding it. Sure ,there are no evidences but it would be silly not to think they are not there when nazis are grouping on their border.

If Russia reacted properly, war would last few days and much less people would suffer.

I'm not a pro-war one etc, but here I have to agree with you. If Putin was not a coward, he could finish this conflict in a few days with much less victims (the same way it was done with Georgia). The problem is that Putin is not a leader. He's just an old, thievish and paranoiac moron :2 cents:

Problem is Ukraine is not Georgia, Ukraine got 40+mill people, there could of been a huge escalation with a direct support from US+NATO.

You are wrong here. Georgia in 2008 was equipped with the newest US weapon and trained by the US instructors. The Russian army in 2008 has almost no professionals. Today the Ukrainian army is much weaker than Georgian one was back in 2008 (old weapon, luck of pros etc). In the same time, Russia has changed its military doctrine and focused on hybrid war tactics. Find more here: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/02...already-at-war (a 100,000 high professional troops is enough for any local conflict).

As about the Ukrainians. Yes, it's a big country but not many are willing to fight and die for Poroshenko. A typical story for you: https://translate.google.com/transla...F&edi t-text= - you may consider this Ukrainian citizen a "ruskie rebel" from now.

As about the escalation. The USA will never send its troops to die in the Russian zone of influence. Their president will be kicked off White House just immediately. They are unable to deal with ISIS, so there could be no talks about some kind of any direct support to the Ukrainian army. It will be a suicide for Obama and 1000's of coffins for American families.

Not sure is it so easy but there would be no suffering and no one would try to defend that Russian army went straight for Kiev. Nazis and US (German) supported warmongers would run away to get their next task from uncle Sam and people would save their lives and economy wouldn't be ruined.

I doubt that it is about bravery. It is more about keeping some country occupied. What would be use of Russia to take whole Ukraine that is broke anyway? Russia is not US so that they must conquer and take others wealth to survive. Ukraine is not Iraq or Libya that are full of gas (money). Ukraine is not serious country (and it never was) and it won't ever be. It is like adopting retarded kid. Nothing good would come from that. ....it is better to control half of country ,and that part where people already love and want you and where is most industry located. Let them have own country (Novorussia) that is completely dependent on Russia.(like what US did in Balkans, created small puppet states that are not capable of deciding on their own).

Actually, whole Ukraine is completely dependent on Russia what previous president clearely understood. Ukraine don't have a future. What is left from Ukraine will be poorest country in Europe in incoming decades. This time, without any chance to fix that because they will be drowned in US and EU credits that will be used to buy social peace (mostly) or buy US weapons.

Like in every country that had coup d'état organized form outside, small % of people will become rich and most of people will be slaves. It was incredible stupid move to try to break away from Russia that was letting you steal gas and giving money and cheap gas.

Ukraine could at least get some money from taxes for gas transit, now it is even left without that. Their future is long ans slow death in poverty.

Beside that, it would be historical mistake to go in open war with neibghours' and once blood is there, things won't be possible to fix,never. I know what I am talking about, I ve witnessed that shit and real life stories from those situations are TERRIBLE.

So , long term, Russia took Crimea and naval base (what would anyone there expect, to leave it to US ?) , will have new controlled state, and punished another part of country as example how it looks to turn back to older brother. Long term,it is a win.

agree with femdomdestiny..

cyberseo, by us+nato direct support I meant to say direct financing and providing weapons, it wouldn't really make a difference but it could kill a lot of Russian troops and things could get real ugly... also it would be a complete Russian isolation, ruble would keep falling, people loose more jobs, people in Russia wouldn't be happy... Nato would say Russian invasion direct thread to Europe and they could easily supply 1-10bill+ worth of weapons to Ukraine... and like femdomdestiny said, let's assume Russia takes over Ukraine, then they need to support bankrupt country and that's just stupid.

It didn't work in Georgia. Why should it work here?

Ruble, Russian economics, people "happiness" - this is all about oil prices. I'd say ONLY about oil prices.

Read about so-called 5-day Georgian war. Russia did took over Tbilisi and did not occupied the another country. The Georgian army was destroyed and the rebel territories got their independence. No war there anymore, no more victims. Everything was done during 5 days only.

P.S. You can sell them 100000000bill+ worth of weapons and it will be resold to 3rd countries like Syria. Weapon is nothing if there is nobody who can (and will) use it in a proper way.

Too bad we're being flushed out by our own Government.

Do you mean Italian government? What's wrong with your new government now?

2femdomdestiny: A small fix to my yesterdays post: Russia did NOT took over Tbilisi and did not occupied the another country (Georgia). The same should be done to Ukraine. The military conflict there must be stopped w/o occupying or annexing any pars of the Ukraine.

The Russians are using "salami" tactics and it's working. :2 cents:

AGAIN. :2 cents:

What's wrong with Italy, ruskie?

it will be clear soon enough. the current cease fire went into place with specific stipulations, and the OSCE have drones flying around all over the place.

since the right wing nationalists have publicly stated they will not be disarmed, this cease-fire will be like the last cease-fire, but this time will be documented on film by european watchdogs.

Patriots you mean, right?

War in this day & age? A country should feel safe, everyone should feel free. Power goes to leaderships head, especially Russians, those poor people :2 cents: