and you are a Putinbot.. see how that works?

There is one giant sized hole in your theory..

The video was not taken by Ukraine and shared with the media.. It was taken by Rebels whom were showing off the dead Ukraine solders they had killed.

Of course they are probably just Nazi actors, am I right? Everyone is just in on the big plot to make poor innocent peaceful Russians look bad because of NATO and evil Americans..

man, your logic is of a 15 year old... When you say "Russia is trying to take more by force", can you answer me simple question?

1. Do you really think that if Russia wanted to take over Ukraine it would take them years to do it? With systems like Topol-M's which can fly over thousands of miles and destroy America and there is no defense against it (just an example of what type of weapons available), but Russia is fighting for over a year in Ukraine and they're not even in Kiev yet ? really?

Maybe you have holes all over, I don't know that. It is abut war crime, that already is mentioned there...war crimes,massacres, WMD....stupid scenario. that is all.

Considering that Russia denies to be any participant in the war in Ukraine; it kinda hinders what they can do. Bombing Ukraine with Topols might tad hinder that "We are not in there."-thing and Russia's political goals in Ukraine and elsewhere.

But sure, if Russia would declare that they are the master race and in desperate need of more lebensraum, and that they are in total war with everyone; that could speed up things. At least to some direction, maybe not to Kiev direction.

Russia could take Ukraine in a heartbeat if they wanted to. However, if they did, they would face the wrath of the other nations condemning their actions and risk facing even more sanctions.

Instead they support the movement by supplying it with arms, weapons, vehicles, money, intelligence, and in some cases men. This gives them some form of deniability while scoring political points for it with the population back home.

Although I don't see the end game for Russia. Great, they can take back some territory from Ukraine. It's not valuable or strategic, and the short term political victory they get for this will be greatly outweighed by their ability to fund and support Eastern Ukraine.

Russia still depends on international business. They can't just openly invade another country that did nothing wrong or it would force the hand of others to step in. Sanctions would be much worse ect..ect.

This is why Russia, US ect.. wage what are called "covert wars" where they back third parties with very little troops on the ground. It's because there is deniability and in most cases it works good enough.

However in this situation, it's blatantly obvious that Russia in sending in both troops and weapons yet denying it at the same time. It's just games, because if Russia admitted to it, then it would force NATO or other European countries to intervene.

What I'm calling out is not so much what Russia is doing, but that you little Putinbots are so fucking brainwashed that you actually believe that your supreme leader Putin is telling the truth..

There is very little to deny that both the US and Russia mettle in other country's affairs.. but you guys are so blinded by your propaganda, that you wont accept it, but instead you claim it's everyone else fault.

how about the crimes that the other side did on broader scale ?

Problem is that Ukraine didnt provide a single photo or video or something that can be taken as a proof there is russian forced there.
Which is pretty strange, since there are alot of photos of ex-ukrain tanks shotted on cameras.

Consider it, somebody could lie about that war.

I'm pretty sure the "other" side hasn't shot down any airliners..

Here is a link for updated news

Interactive map of war in Ukraine, Russian invasion #UkraineUnderAttack

Yep, open invasion of another countries FOR NO REASON is the US business exclusively. Here I totally agree with you comrade :2 cents:

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Here you are wrong, comrade. The other side (American rebels) did it as well: Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died).

Also check this out: 'US military shot down MH370' claims former Proteus Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online

Cool map. As far as I can see, we are invading Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Belorussia right now :thumbsup

Putin doesn't want to end the conflict. He created it and wants it to last as long as his own oligarchs take over power in Ukraine again.

This is not foreign policy, this is Putin making sure noone in Russia thinks democracy is an option.

No, that was in 1939 when Russia invaded its neighbors together with Nazi Germany.

Then, there was East Germany 1953, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Georgia 2008.

Now you are just invading Ukraine.

..and gifted them to the Ukraine :1orglaugh

P.S. Maybe it's time to return those territories? :winkwink:

as far as I know Ukraine was not a sovereign country during USSR times. It was annexed by Stalin and stayed like that for 50 years or so.

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As one guy here says: the keyword is "WAS" :winkwink:

Чё, омерика, ивропка и ната опять кинули? Вот жеж твари лукаві :mad:

You idiot.. I was talking about Ukraine, but as usual your little Putinbot brainwashed mentality, you have to make everything Russia vs US and use that for excesses for all the shit your 3rd world country does. Since you want to compare US vs Russia so bad how about this little tidbit.. A single state that state being California one of only 50 states in the US has a bigger economy then your beloved Russia. The next two states, Texas & New York also together equal bigger economizes than your beloved 3rd world Russia. That's only 3 states out of 50, when combined more than double your countries GDP..

In case you haven't noticed Russia lost the cold war and your dumb ass mentality is dragging you right back into it once again to come out even further behind the rest of the world. I did kind of feel sorry for your country. You guys were finally joining the rest of the world, waking up from your brainwashed propaganda filled past to join the rest of the free world.

Then your Supreme Leader drags you right back down the hole and here you are praising him for it.. I guess it's much easier being told what to do, what to think living in your shitty soviet era apartment blocks.

He just showed you guys don't have a shame telling something about Russia while US is devastating countries worldwide, for decades. There would be no ISIS and all that terror that US didn't invade those countries and destroyed governments and established organization.

I'm just going to leave this here.

THE DAILY CHALLENGES OF A HISTORY NERD - drsofialamb: # WHOEVER MADE THIS IS GOING TO BE...

No he didn't. I already know what my country does. I even mentioned it before. I'm not in disillusion that my country does bad things or manages to fuck up. I'm not running around trying to pretend that we didn't invade Iraq or use drones to target Taliban in Pakistan.

Meanwhile he is still denying Russia has anything to do with the war in Ukraine because he's brainwashed by Putin's propaganda machine..

The only thing you can say :1orglaugh

When your hands are in blood of murdered people, it's not a good idea to give advices to your neighbor how to mow the lawn.

are the russians going to kill all those guys they have surrounded?

oh, i mean are the not-the-russians going to kill all those guys they have surrounded?

Go there and ask them. Why do you ask it here? :upsidedow

BTW, who "Russians" are? Almost all citizens of the Ukraine are ethnic Russians (course there are other nations like Poles, Jews, Armenians etc). So mostly they all Russians (there is no Ukrainian ethnicity, but only Ukrainian citizenship). On the other hand, they are not citizens of Russian Federation. The problem is that English is a very poor language, which can't describe such a simple thing. When you say "Russians", do you mean ethnic Russians (the majority of Russia, Ukraine and Belorussia) or citizens of Russian Federations (Russians, Tatars, Jews, Armenians, Georgians, Suomi and 100+ other nations)?

For example Sid70 is ethnic Russian (he is "ruskie"), but also he is an Ukrainian citizen that left his country and now live in Italy. So if he'll get an Italian citizenship, he still be an ethnic Russian with Italian citizenship, who early was a Soviet Union and then the Ukrainian citizen. A bit confusing for the American brain, isn't it? ;)

I can't speak for him , but I guess he is just irritating you and similar guys here. He don't even like Putin, so it is hardly Putin propaganda. He is not stupid person , and if I understand good, he have a rank in Russian army. We all know here that Russia or any other country would not just stand there and watch shit coming on their borders and their population being attacked.

Beside that, Ukrainian army (which is not real army because most of the people don't want to fight and are not responding to mobilization. There are bunch of nazis, NATO mercenaries and nationalists) is loosing every day. While we are speaking they are surrendering in Debaltseve : Ukraine troops withdrawing from key town of Debaltseve | World news | The Guardian and that is something that just "Rebels" can't do. Trick is that Russians are so good in what they are doing that there are no good evidences for it (except stupidity where Pornoshenko is showing passports. What soldier or spy will take passport with him if he is going into military action? ) but that is just one problem. Another one is that one who blame them lost all credibility in previous decades, with much worse mess and lies (Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavbia,etc...)

and that makes sense to you.

Indeed :2 cents:

As a guy who has an LT. rank in Russian army I can assure everyone here that Russian soldiers have no passports when they are on duty. Even here on the Russian territory and of course when they are acting elsewhere. According to the Geneva agreements of August 1949, the captured soldier must tell his name, rank, date of birth and his personal number. Nothing else. So Russian soldiers have no passports in their pockets. That's a rule.

The mercenaries may have anything they want, because they are mercenaries and Russian government has no control over them.

Is Russia returning for example Kaliningrad?

Finland could take back some territories also. Especially without the Russian population, or areas without Russian population.

Berlin, first.

I don't think so, my little friend. It was taken from defeated Germany which has occupied almost a half of the European USSR. This is a just a little payback. So it's not returnable. Personally I really wonder why we haven't took more of the German territories, since your beloved Nazi's weren't feel bad taking ours. Do you think it's unfair?

Ok, i took russian advices and am back from frontline.

Russians said those Ukrainians are going to die

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As you can see on that picture, it's the Ukrainian tank. I mean the Soviet one which is obsolete and not used in Russian army. Let's cross the finders and hope the Ukrainian tank driver is not drunk as shit to grind those poor Ukrainian soldiers.

defensive much? i never said anything about that being a russian tank or ukrainian tank.

the question was what the russians are going to do with those trapped ukrainians and the answer is the russians are going to kill them all.