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dyna mo 02-15-2015 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by takethebluepill (Post 20394061)
This is quite the experience. I've read about the brain dead NRA...but had hoped they were like the sasquatch, and simply urban folklore. But here we have some actual living and breathing specimens posting on this forum. Wow, this is a special day..
I'm no longer a card carrying NRA member, so I'm open...... What's the endgame for BO spending executive [order] resources to ban this round?

crockett 02-15-2015 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20393937)
About .223 Penetration

You don't need to hunt with .223. ***over 40grains
The only logical thing to "hunt" that might be wearing wearing soft body armor is a man ...
Why do you hate freedom so much?

crockett 02-15-2015 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20394076)
I'm no longer a card carrying NRA member, so I'm open...... What's the endgame for BO spending executive [order] resources to ban this round?
It's the only AP round that has not been banned because it was given an exception prior or fell through the cracks, I'm not sure which. Vendzilla is just getting butt hurt because of Obama..

pornmasta 02-15-2015 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20394032)
A German posting an Australians view on American culture?
yes, but it's a german living in czech republic !

dyna mo 02-15-2015 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20394115)
It's the only AP round that has not been banned because it was given an exception prior. Vendzilla is just getting butt hurt because of Obama..
why are we wasting government resources and limiting rights banning AP ammo? how many people die to AP ammo? How many cops die to AP ammo? this is the "cop killer" round right? pretty sure that's all media bullshit.

crockett 02-15-2015 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20394121)
why are we wasting government resources and limiting rights banning AP ammo? how many people die to AP ammo? How many cops die to AP ammo? this is the "cop killer" round right? pretty sure that's all media bullshit.
Why did Republicans waste govt resources trying to ban abortions in January? That's what politicians do they waste govt resources..

dyna mo 02-15-2015 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20394124)
Why did Republicans waste govt resources trying to ban abortions in January? That's what politicians do they waste govt resources..
good point, me view is anything that involves the government banning our shit demands our asking questions. banning shit is a slippery slope, it doesn't matter if it's AP ammo or abortions or WTFever.

aka123 02-15-2015 04:27 PM
I get that AP bullet, but what is this talk about bullet weights? Some misunderstanding or is it really going to be limited in US?

Heavier bullets do have more penetration capability, but .223 was designed as fast to have flat trajectory and to cause much tissue damage. Banning heavier bullets might lessen penetration but lighter bullets cause more damage to tissue (unarmoured targets). .223 bullets weighting less than 40 grains are quite "explosive". Not that those lighter bullets should be banned, but I don't see the point in limiting those as the only bullets to be available for that caliber.

Example:

"V-MAX™ Bullets

Hornady’s V-MAX bullets consistently achieve rapid fragmentation at all practical varmint shooting velocities."

Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Rifle :: Choose by Caliber :: 223 Rem :: 223 Rem 40 gr V-MAX®

crockett 02-15-2015 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20394131)
I get that AP bullet, but what is this talk about bullet weights? Some misunderstanding or is it really going to be limited in US?

Heavier bullets do have more penetration capability, but .223 was designed as fast to have flat trajectory and to cause much tissue damage. Banning heavier bullets might lessen penetration but lighter bullets cause more damage to tissue (unarmoured targets). .223 bullets weighting less than 40 grains, are quite "explosive". Not that those lighter bullets should be banned, but I don't see the point in limiting those as the only bullets to be available for that caliber.

Example:

"V-MAX? Bullets

Hornady?s V-MAX bullets consistently achieve rapid fragmentation at all practical varmint shooting velocities."

Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Rifle :: Choose by Caliber :: 223 Rem :: 223 Rem 40 gr V-MAX®
I think when they originally banned AP bullets, they used weight of each type of AP round or something along those lines. Somehow this round fell through the cracks or was ignored.

Vendzilla 02-15-2015 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by takethebluepill (Post 20394061)
This is quite the experience. I've read about the brain dead NRA...but had hoped they were like the sasquatch, and simply urban folklore. But here we have some actual living and breathing specimens posting on this forum. Wow, this is a special day..
So where is your proof?
This is the NRA posting about what the ATF is doing. Who better?

crockett 02-15-2015 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20394129)
good point, me view is anything that involves the government banning our shit demands our asking questions. banning shit is a slippery slope, it doesn't matter if it's AP ammo or abortions or WTFever.
Yes but this isn't what Venzilla is trying to make it out to be. This is just adding a single bullet which should of been added at the time of the ban. It's not a new law or banning guns or all .223 rounds it's just banning a very specific round which has already been banned in other calibers.

Mickey_ 02-15-2015 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20393953)
:1orglaugh

crockett 02-15-2015 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20393953)


Vendzilla - i bet you are one of the 10% he mentions...
LOL that was pretty good and yes he is.. :1orglaugh

Joshua G 03-09-2015 02:05 PM
Assault rifle bullet sells out ahead of proposed ban - Mar. 9, 2015

well looky looky. turns out obama is banning green tip, TO PROTECT POLICE OFFICERS.

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives recently announced a proposal to include M855 in its long-standing ban on armor piercing ammunition in order to better protect police officers.
so the NRA & Vendzilla oppose the safety of police officers, just to oppose obama.

:(

Vendzilla 03-09-2015 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20414304)
Assault rifle bullet sells out ahead of proposed ban - Mar. 9, 2015

well looky looky. turns out obama is banning green tip, TO PROTECT POLICE OFFICERS.



so the NRA & Vendzilla oppose the safety of police officers, just to oppose obama.

:(
Can you even read? The ammo is not the problem you fucking retard. In an AR15 they can't ban it, they are calling on it because someone made a pistol that can fire it. It amazes me just how fucking retarded you are some times

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...94382376627666

“All rifle ammo made with lead ammo is able to penetrate a soft body ‘vest’ because of the high velocity of rifle rounds,” said Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation. “So banning M855 does not advance law officer safety. No police officer has ever been shot and killed with a so-called ‘armor piercing’ bullet fired from a handgun that penetrated a vest.”

White House says ammo ban will save cops&#39; lives - Washington Times


Just dealing with one more moron that thinks he had an idea in his head

crockett 03-09-2015 02:19 PM
But what about Benghazi?

2MuchMark 03-09-2015 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20414311)
But what about Benghazi?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Joshua G 03-09-2015 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20414308)

Just dealing with one more moron that thinks he had an idea in his head
you are the one who is the retard. reading off the agenda lines of koch & NRA inc. fact is, it does penetrate cop armor & its a threat to cops. sorry that you require dead cops in order to realize this. you dont even deny it can kill cops. but you oppose anyway cause the NRA tells you to.

:winkwink:

crockett 03-09-2015 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20414323)
you are the one who is the retard. reading off the agenda lines of koch & NRA inc. fact is, it does penetrate cop armor & its a threat to cops. sorry that you require dead cops in order to realize this. you dont even deny it can kill cops. but you oppose anyway cause the NRA tells you to.

:winkwink:
He dose everything they tell him on right wing TV & radio. Hence Benghazi.. Remember how outraged Vendzilla was about Benghazi? It was over and over again that boohoo Obama this Obama that.. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.. After 4, 5 , 15 (who knows) investigations on Vendghazi gate nothing was found to be out of line but they still to this day will never admit they were wrong.

They just move on to the next bitch & moan..

bronco67 03-09-2015 03:34 PM
There's other kinds of .223 you can buy. Again, conservatives are distorting information to suit their knee-jerk agenda.

What's so special about M88 that you just have to have it? By the way, I used to reload my own 223 when I owned a CAr15.

Vendzilla 03-09-2015 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20414323)
you are the one who is the retard. reading off the agenda lines of koch & NRA inc. fact is, it does penetrate cop armor & its a threat to cops. sorry that you require dead cops in order to realize this. you dont even deny it can kill cops. but you oppose anyway cause the NRA tells you to.

:winkwink:

Please you ignorant fuck, name one cop that had died from a .223 pistol!

bronco67 03-09-2015 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20414387)
Please you ignorant fuck, name one cop that had died from a .223 pistol!
I agree, that its dumb to ban the ammo because it can go into a handgun. It makes no fucking sense actually.

But you can still buy .223 ammo, so why cry about one variant?

Vendzilla 03-09-2015 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20414369)
There's other kinds of .223 you can buy. Again, conservatives are distorting information to suit their knee-jerk agenda.

What's so special about M88 that you just have to have it? By the way, I used to reload my own 223 when I owned a CAr15.
There is nothing special about that round, that's the point

That round would just be the first, this is about testing the water to see if they can get away from it, every round that can be put in an AR15 has the same capability.

So does a 30.06 in pistol form, they have had those for decades. A 30.06 pistol will go right thru a cops vest.

What's really funny is that the new ar15 pistols that Obama is bringing up is 2 feet long and weights in at 6 pounds. Does this sounds like any pistol you have shot?

http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts...90pnkjjefr.jpg

Vendzilla 03-09-2015 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20414388)
I agree, that its dumb to ban the ammo because it can go into a handgun. It makes no fucking sense actually.

But you can still buy .223 ammo, so why cry about one variant?
Because this would set a precedent.

Joshua G 03-09-2015 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20414387)
Please you ignorant fuck, name one cop that had died from a .223 pistol!
see how its going over your head? it CAN kill a cop, & you know it, you just want a body count to pull your head out of your ass.

hey man, im with you. they should re-legalize the thompson submachine gun. i used to hunt deer with it all the time. they took away my rights!

:smiling_b

Anthony 03-09-2015 05:18 PM
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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has backed away from what first appeared to be an immediate plan to ban a popular type of ammunition, and now claims that some confusion was caused by a ?publishing mistake.?

In February, the ATF published a new framework for deciding what ammunition is ?primarily intended for sporting purposes? and thus can be exempted from a federal ban on armor piercing ammo. The ATF also put out a regulation guide that didn?t including a current listing of exceptions, including the popular M855 cartridge that?s used in the AR-15 rifle.
UPDATE: ATF Tries to Calm Fears on Ammo Ban, Says Nothing Has Taken Effect (Yet) | TheBlaze.com

L-Pink 03-09-2015 05:18 PM
A government foot in the door is never a good thing in any industry. This is a precedent that shouldn't be set.

bronco67 03-10-2015 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20414434)
A government foot in the door is never a good thing in any industry. This is a precedent that shouldn't be set.
In 99% of industries I think you're correct. Government reigning over the private sector is bad.

But 99% of industries don't manufacture products made to fire hot lead at 3500 feet per second. A little overwatch is OK with me, and as I've said before -- I've had a lifelong love of guns and have owned many, including assault rifles. Why does gun ownership need to go hand in hand with being an "over-reactionist"?

aka123 03-10-2015 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20414434)
A government foot in the door is never a good thing in any industry. This is a precedent that shouldn't be set.
I sold some nukes to Cuba at 60's and see what happened. My rights got violated. Freedom in my ass. It wasn't even on US soil.

L-Pink 03-10-2015 11:08 AM
DEVELOPING ...

The ATF is shelving a controversial proposal to ban a popular type of bullet, amid opposition from hundreds of congressional lawmakers.

The ATF said in a statement on Tuesday they would not seek to issue final guidelines "at this time."

ATF shelves controversial bullet ban proposal | Fox News

Probably sneak it thru next year buried in a children's lunch subsidy bill, lol.

.

crockett 03-10-2015 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20415024)
DEVELOPING ...

Probably sneak it thru next year buried in a children's lunch subsidy bill, lol.

.
You mean like how Republicans in Congress are trying to do away with net neutrally once again by calling the bill "Internet FREEDOM Act"?

Ironically all but 2 of those whom sponsored the "Internet FREEDOM Act" received money from Comcast.. (I wonder what those 2 did wrong)


Thanks, Obama..

arock10 03-10-2015 11:14 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-productio...jpg?1384032580
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20414311)
But what about Benghazi?

trevesty 03-10-2015 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SongRider (Post 20393532)
Sounds like a bullshit way for the makers of 223 ammo to move a LOT of product really fast...

The same way they sold a SHITLOAD of AR-15's after the Sandy Hook shootings and all the bullshit rumors that were started then about assault gun bans...

Paranoia sells products in America... we are a society based on fear and consumption...

Go to the ATF website and find where they mention this anywhere... and THEN come back and apologize to everyone for spreading paranoid right wing lies... :thumbsup
Yes. Some people tend to forget who writes really, really big checks to the NRA very often.

Vendzilla 03-10-2015 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20414416)
see how its going over your head? it CAN kill a cop, & you know it, you just want a body count to pull your head out of your ass.

hey man, im with you. they should re-legalize the thompson submachine gun. i used to hunt deer with it all the time. they took away my rights!

:smiling_b
Hey shit for brains, when did I say that bullet can't kill a cop?

Any bullet can kill a cop, this round out of a AR15 pistol never has and the ATF is not going to do this right now because of people standing up to it!

When did I say anything about a Thompson?

You are just one more moronic asshole that has to make shit up to prove a point, the point you're a moron!

Vendzilla 03-10-2015 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20414434)
A government foot in the door is never a good thing in any industry. This is a precedent that shouldn't be set.
The only person that would disagree with this is an idiot!

Joshua G 03-10-2015 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20415060)
When did I say anything about a Thompson?

You just one more moronic asshole that has to make shit up to prove a point, the point you're a moron!
LOL my second line was just sarcasm. no suprise you didnt understand.

ha ha meathead you didnt get it ha ha.

:1orglaugh

Vendzilla 03-10-2015 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20415071)
LOL my second line was just sarcasm. no suprise you didnt understand.

ha ha meathead you didnt get it ha ha.

:1orglaugh
Hey what the hell, you haven't understood one fucking thing in this thread, it's a wonder you don't just stop breathing! What's your IQ? I'm thinking in the 80 range! LOL

aka123 03-10-2015 12:14 PM
You guys really don't know how heavily your government regulates business and your everyday life in general? It seems not, if banning some ammunition type seems as a big deal or as some precedent case. Even the right to have guns is from government and government controlled. The whole framework of your life is government controlled. Your rights, oblications, liberties and so on.. all from the government. Even the right for your own propery-> from government.

And USA is not famous for its freedom anyways.. I mean outside US. Kinda opposite.

trevesty 03-10-2015 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20415082)
You guys really don't know how heavily your government regulates business and your everyday life in general? It seems not, if banning some ammunition type seems as a big deal or as some precedent case. Even the right to have guns is from government and government controlled. The whole framework of your life is government controlled. Your rights, oblications, liberties and so on.. all from the government. Even the right for your own propery-> from government.

And USA is not famous for its freedom anyways.. I mean outside US. Kinda opposite.
:thumbsup:thumbsup

dyna mo 03-10-2015 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20415082)
You guys really don't know how heavily your government regulates business and your everyday life in general? It seems not, if banning some ammunition type seems as a big deal or as some precedent case. Even the right to have guns is from government and government controlled. The whole framework of your life is government controlled. Your rights, oblications, liberties and so on.. all from the government. Even the right for your own propery-> from government.

And USA is not famous for its freedom anyways.. I mean outside US. Kinda opposite.
all that you mentioned is addressed in the Constitution of the United States, a document created by our government. the right to bear arms is in that Constitution. our personal rights, freedoms and liberties are also in there.

so, fyi, of course we really do know that the government regulates in general.


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