Good! I always use their contents. And I appreciate that the program is still active.

Emails are fine as long as they contain good content and the sender takes effort in transmitting genuine information. I.e. news or background information.

Use common sense when sending out emails to create value for sender and recipient.

Weekly newsletter containing nothing but a gallery dump are pure spam imho.

I explained it in good detail in the previous post. The message I quoted implied that affiliates who mark such mailings as spam hurt sponsors because their other mailers to customers can get flagged as spam as a result. I pointed out that the affiliate has mostly been cut out of that mailer related revenue entirely in our industry since it is not usually shared with the affiliate these days even when they originally sent the lead in the first place. So what does the affiliate care whether your mailers get through to customers or not?

#2 I'm not even going to try to go into because it would hijack Porn Nerd's topic but you can probably guess where I am going from what I've already said.

Man oh fucking man. No wonder programs decide to fuck affiliates off and deal with the tubes, or go invite-only where dumbfuck affiliates who feel 'owed' not only every fucking tool and then some, all the content they want, but then piss because a surfer who didn't buy ended up on a mailing list that might sign up... or most likely won't sign up. That post displays even less than zero business sense. Fucking amazing you don't get it, seriously :2 cents:

Apparently I'm not the only one who "doesn't get it" because most pay site affiliates left long ago. I wonder why, Jel? I mean they have more tools than ever and all the content they could ever want. Who cares about actually being paid fairly for referring the traffic and revenue they actually send anyway? That's for lesser minds without any business sense.

don't tell me - it's because those affiliates got fucked over by not getting paid for emails surfers submitted, when the surfers didn't buy a membership? It also has nothing to do with dwindling traffic (in which group I'm well and truly included), right?

you're fucking clueless :2 cents:

Reminder to self: skip over idiot posts, do not reply to them

Not to moderate but I can see both points here. Obviously I am a Program Owner so feel I should be able to email anyone I damn well like. However, if I were a pure affiliate then I would be upset over ANY monetization that did not include me or my original referral.

So here's how I deal with it, being a clever and perceptive fellow: if we're talking about an affiliate who puts almost zero effort into promotion - throw up a link, throw up a gal, and that's it, never anything else - then the affiliate is not really doing his part. Sure, they threw up a banner but these days it takes much more promotion than that to succeed.

But if we have an affiliate who is really trying, involved and communicating with me, then I will go out of my way to help that individual. This could mean special mailings for traffic he sends, or a better percentage, or something custom to help with his promotions. But if an affiliate is just throwing me in along with ten thousand other Programs, well how much extra effort can he expect? It SHOULD be a relationship.

Now guess how many affiliates actually take the time to contact ME? LOL Yup, maybe like 2. Thus, this thread and let's see if weekly emails may motivate some affs. :)

To be fair, It's not just you. I don't even think there is an easy way for you under CCbill to say add a unique ID to mailers automatically in order to easily credit affiliates when someone they sent originally buys after clicking the mailer. Is there? The same is true for cross sales on CCBill. As far as I know they don't even offer the option to compensate an affiliate for a cross sale generated from traffic they sent. That is just how this industry (de)evolved in relation to treatment of affiliates.

But say you worked for someone for 12 hours and they used to pay you for 12 hours. Then one day they suddenly demanded you work the same 12 hours but they will only pay you for 8 hours. Would you do it? Probably not if you had other options. Besides the money it's also the whole principle of it. You're not some damn slave and they are being a scumbag for even trying to do that to you.

I think the above is how many affiliates who left viewed this industry and the entire situation. It was just one thing after another where affiliates were constantly being shit on by the industry. A total lack of respect for them, their traffic and their efforts. This was on top of the whole tube/piracy thing. Combine the two and well it's probably fair to say that 90% are gone as we see. It's pretty much done and over.

Again, being an empathetic fellow and having lots of pre-Adult life experience, I basically agree with you. But you are assuming all affiliates are/were like you. LOL In other words, intelligent and savvy. I am sad to see such affiliates go by the wayside but, as you pointed out, it's understandable. If people in this Industry will steal content, fuck over honest webmasters with virtual money schemes, close shop unannounced, on and on, why would it surprise anyone that affiliates would also be a target?

Now not all affiliates are like you. Some are into fraud, some are illiterate assmunchs, some are clueless newbs (which is okay), some are arrogant fucktards who think their shit don't stink, some are lazy, some are part-timers (also totally okay), etc. So how does a Program deal with ALL these types of affiliates?

With me, as I've stated many times, I try to be always available and always willing to work with affiliates - those who want to work with me. Many do not simply because I am (currently) a CCBill Program. Some won't because they haven't met me in person and do not consider me a Bro. Some will not because I only offer Revshare. And so on.

So back to the topic of this thread: would weekly emails help affiliates promote my Program more? Or less? :)

I definitely prefer it...certainly more than ones I get every 4-5 months....

No one wants it? OK...

FIDDY emails! :)

Hey look, an actual business thread.

I prefer programs that send updated content, news about new sites, etc via mail. This is how I get 80% of the content to my editors. If I had to log in individually to every program, that would be my sole task!

So yea, programs that send mail get updates up much faster.

Great point, marking it as spam can hurt the 'sending reputation' of the sender which if you are promoting them isn't productive. Then again if they don't make it an easy cut and dry process to unsubscribe they are 'spamming'