I define "real income" as the average salary in said country. That means said person can live solely off adult just as any other person working "for real" at any regular job.

Millions of Europeans earn +- that (or even lower) in EU. And Bangladeshis are not happy? Give me a break :1orglaugh
Well that being said - nobody of blue collar is "happy" with their salary, but come on :)

The same reason 99% of the other non adult people are here. Pay attention, Yosemite Sam

P.S. In a couple of years when nobody has money to pay for fubar advertising, I could ask you the same thing :2 cents:

edit: nm, looking at FUBAR Webmasters :: FUBAR Advertising and the availability, it may be sooner than 2 years. This is exactly the type of thing I've been talking about. 10 years ago, would you have that many ad spots unpurchased?

The dollar has shot up over the past few months, so @ 3.60 Malaysian Ringgits to the US$, the monthly salary at $150 a week works out to 2,340 rm. This is what we pay monthly:

Dishwasher (right off the boat, no English): 1,500rm a month
Food Runner (Good appearance, English): 1,700rm a month
POS (Good appearance, English): 1,800rm a month
Kitchen Helper: 1,800rm a month
Pizza Man: 2,200rm a month
Top Pizza Man: 2,400rm a month
Manager: 2,200rm a month

This is based on a 9 - 10 hour work day, 6 days a week. We also pay for medical.

They all think they are underpaid and I think they are all overpaid (except for 2-3 key employees, who are awesome by any standards).

All a matter of perspective, I guess - but they are always complaining about salary - especially the guys at the top end of the pay scale.:2 cents:

OK, that's a totally different definition than mine. I was interpreting the word "real" as in "substantial", not "average".

Curious...how much does a person have to make to live comfortably in Malaysia? And by comfortable, I mean a decent roof over their heads with a comfortable living space...ability to eat well...and have money left over for basic luxuries, such as fashionable clothing, perhaps a vehicle and other discretionary items.

I wonder if part of your perception might be confirmation bias? as in, you left adult for greener fields, ergo the industry has died and everyone must be struggling?

don't get me wrong, there are a ton of surfers here too, but for a place called 'the zoo' I've done some great business here and received some amazing assistance along the way. All from people who run far larger businesses than my own. Even though through adult work I'm able to live a lifestyle I never could have even imagined otherwise, I'm still pretty small time compared to most of the peeps with whom I interact

I'd guess around the same. I think it looks higher cuz some of the surfers hyper-post so they're all over the forum

to the OP though: it's not the venue, it's how you use it

We (NETbilling) actually do pretty well with business referrals that we receive from GFY. Yes there is a lot of amusement here but also some great business threads and posts.

Mitch

Whatever somebody says - most of the "real" players still lurk at GFY from time to time :)

Or how the venue uses you.

We can evolve GFY to have verified users which will eliminate a lot of the headache here.

He just got pissed up with so many lions around here.

Sign me up... Although perhaps there already is a 'members only' section. There was a forum back in the early 2000's that had a members section and then a 'don't talk about the secret members, invite only' section, where a lot of real business happened.

Pretty much. :thumbsup

the thing about that though is that if bar to entrance is raised too high overall activity decreases.

Besides, as some peeps above have pointed out, some use 'fucking around' as a social space and enjoy the chaos. For those who don't wish to partake, just ignore the non-biz threads. I read gfy almost every day and I skip a ton of ish that doesn't interest me; it's not that hard to ignore.

so yeah, I think we have far more agency over our experience of something than does the venue itself. like anything gfy is what we each of us choose to make of it, and with the right focus every environment offers a chance to learn new things.

I would put the over/under for VERY comfortable living at $1,000 a week. But comfort is so arbitrary and relative. At that salary, you're living in a 3 bedroom/3 bathroom condo with 5 day a week maid service. You're eating at good restaurants 3 times a week, you take car service or taxi everywhere you go (they have a great public transport system that I've never taken, and you have drinks out twice a week (expensive).

If you want to buy a Malaysian-made car, it's cheap: $10k - 20k. Foreign cars are taxed at 100% list value new.

You're also going away once a month for 3-4 days to Bali or Phuket. Air travel is very cheap here.

Most people live on far less, but I draw a salary of 15,000rm a month, appx $1k a week, and that's how I live and with money left over at the end of the month. Haven't even touched the profit-sharing cash - no need to.

Decent living in Kuala Lumpur if you've got some cash and like it hot.

Doesn't seem like too many ballers. I have found the best advices tucked into dirty cold places.

lol at comfortably making 1K per week and comparing to average gfy poster.

My employees are mostly in The Phillipines, and yes they are quite happy. I know this because every once in awhile I have to lay someone off and hire a new person. The employee I just fired will bug me for months BEGGING to get their job back. And when I post a job on ODesk I get, literally, hundreds of apps within an hour. Hundreds.

Also, the examples you stated? A manager at a fast food restuarant gets less than what I pay and they work longer hours (my employees are capped at 40 hours weekly). Now I do not use Indians as I do not trust them AND they tend to charge double what the Filipinos charge (and do shittier work).

But basically we are talking about working in Adult full-time or working part-time (or not at all) and I contend there are places in this world, even within the good ol' USA, where you can work full-time in Adult and make way less than six figures.

Yet we have a prolific poster actively posting on 5+ nicks and nothing done.

Yes it's The Zoo but core members have evolved and usually post here according to community standards. Up the standards and quality over quantity always wins :2 cents:

To reiterate what I've been saying, since it seems to be lost on some people. I'm talking about ACTIVE users. I'm sure there are a ton of millionaire webmasters on gfy, but are they engaged and actively posting and discussing meaningful things? No. That is precisely the reason the original poster of this thread has a very valid point.

Why would the successful webmasters post here and have meaningful discussions? Take a look at the main forum threads. They probably lurk and read the threads, but the original poster is looking for quality discussions as opposed to 30 news threads per hour on topics from the isreal/palestine conflict to people kicking dogs.

True business, as k0nrad said, happens on smaller/private forums or via direct messaging.. It's not happening on the average gfy thread.. and that's okay, it is what it is. Just don't dismiss the original thread creators opinion, because he's right.

If you are using Phillipinos who work from their homes, then that's a great rate for them. The thing with foreign workers here is they're displaced from family and familiar culture, so all they do is work and send home money. Add to that they live in usually crappy conditions, have to pay a high fee for a working visa and consistently get harassed by the local police, and they generally are not happy.

Sounds like your deal is better than my deal, hence the happiness factor.

Why would they when people like you could be 5 other identities pushing the same negative agenda? Waste of time so GFY stays gfy for the most part

Well I guess that is indeed my point. I believe anyone working from home is generally happier than working a shitty job. LOL

At this point Adult has evolved into a few large companies and many, many individual smaller businesses where most people work from their home. In fact, that's the greatest thing about the Internet and teleconferencing technology. You can work from anywhere.

As I always say when people use a general term like "Adult": what do they MEAN? Cams? Dating? Paysites? Content shooters? Media buyers? Affiliates? On and on. I think, in the end, everyone THINKS they know what "working in Adult" means but they always compare what THEY do and assume this applies to everyone.

But let's examine the OP's point and see if it is valid. Someone with more Internet skill (I am too lazy) can go to the Wayback Machine and give us a screenshot of the front page of GFY from 5 years ago and 10 years ago. Let's see how many relevant business threads are on those screenshots. I am betting the ratio is probably about the same as today. Maybe not. Let's find out.

I think it's just easy to say instead of elaborating on all the things they do. You know?

I think a lot of the active company at that time were more fun. There were a lot of guys at the height of their business, or working super hard all night and day as much as they could to build business. So they were here, and very active, still a shitload of drama and some god damn ANGRY drama, but lots of good stuff too. I saw some become very rich and disappear, I see some who were very rich and now seem to not be so and I see some who I think. Who fucking cares. =)

This crowd is a bit different but still informative when you need to get shit done. :2 cents:

I post business threads ALL the time here on GFY. Sure I post some stupid shit but generally do not start useless threads. But sometimes I do because it's fun, and it's called FUCKING AROUND. And I don't think that should change here on GFY in any way. :)

What I am interested in tho, and more to the OP's original overall point, is the ratio between "business threads" and "fucking around" (in which you could put all the drama llama threads I suppose).

I joined in 2009 so going on 6 years here, and I remember lots of drama and fucking around threads when I joined. Plus lots of business threads. Maybe it was differant 10 years ago but I doubt it.

OP doesn't like the fucking around threads fine but do not assume this equates to 99% of GFYers being broke-ass trolls. Just sayin'.

No one has to be here for the social aspect. Almost any question anyone could possibly ask is somewhere in the search function.

I have learned a LOT over the past month and my website traffic proves it. =)

Lot's of interesting comments in here. Proof positive that sweet honey doesn't always attract the bees. Sometimes you have to stir up the hive a bit.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Can you be a little more clear?

Sure Beehive invention nets $2 million

Well ok GFY never showed me much love anyway, even after finding the Acacia prior art in 2004, and you already know what I know, and you know that nobody left here gives a shit, so what? You are REALLY that bored and destructive?

browski... he is saying why you calling him 5 other identities? Ya know...

ok so u r that bored :P

So am I been watching The Voice premiere with my kid on DVR

I'm watching Appalachian Outlaws on the History Channel and uploading videos to my server while watermarking other videos. During commercials I check this thread and others. It's 2:30 am and I will not be done with my daily tasks until 4 am. Then up at 10-11, quick breakfast and back to work.

Am I a real Adult Webmaster? Shah.

No I actually don't know what you mean, and now I'm even more confused after your reply. How am I being destructive? The only thing I've gathered from what you have said so far is that you believe gfy hasn't shown you love...

Anyways, enjoy your show

How do you find that enjoyable? You clearly had money to buy out those other programs, did you look into investing in any other businesses first before settling on adult?

Not my show told you I been watching The Voice premiere with my kid on DVR, thats why on my phone on GFY lol :P

It's not the glamorous life but it's how we roll yo! :D

How do I find doing what I want, when I want to, and working on building something that is MINE instead of selling my life away for a weekly salary while I build something for someone else? Hmmm, let me think about it for a little bit here....

Smoke some doobs, fuck my pornstar girlfriend when she wakes up, take a few hours off to go do some shopping for the house (and making money while I do so), not answering to anyone since I'm the Boss...yup, tough life. Worth every second I've ever spent in front of a computer monitor.

And I bought one Program. It made sense to add to my Network. Sometimes growing something is better than starting something new, sometimes not. Depends on the Investment.

(Or did you mean how can I find Appalachian Outlaws enjoyable? Man those people are motherfucking insane! Good times.)

Hell yeah Hoss!!

Idiot :321GFY

As other people have told you in this thread, those places exist, but you have to be invited.

GFY still has a lot of business going on, and is a great place to look for employees.

The people that actually do make money realize that it is becoming increasingly difficult and therefore are not interested in sharing their secrets.

You obviously want someone to tell you to do X, Y and Z. That's great, but considering your join date, what do you have to offer in return? I'm guessing not too much.

great advice
 

Starting out i always found great advice on this site !

Uh Uh. Been around for a long long time.

No one wants to share secrets...bingo...you are right. I too am not interested in sharing my secrets. I am however interested in discussing the merits of different program offerings with like minded webmasters/program owners with similar experience. No secrets revealed by either party... just solid business discussions.

For example, last week I asked if anyone had done any testing between Pay Per Order and Percentage payments with AFF. I also stipulated that I was looking for opinions from people who were clearing at least 10 paid memberships per day. Anything less, I do not feel would offer any statistically significant data. Would we share anything that would reveal our traffic or advertising strategies, uh uh.

I am a member of another forum where people discuss google and bannings. Same problem there. You will get a thread where webaster A says they were banned. Then Webmaster A goes on to say that they were banned for reason x. And then all the other members jump on board, assuming that if they too do x then y will happen. Could they be right, maybe. But would the opinions provided by webmasters with large networks offer a more statistically significant and potentially correct cause and effect. Yep.

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I stand correct :)

I got started in adult in 2003 and it became my only source of income by 2005. I have used GFY as a business source since the beginning. I just hired a writer I found here. I used a designer I found here. I just coded something for someone who found me here.

If you don't think business is getting done here you are a tool. You only make it obvious that you are clueless and know nothing about how to do business on an adult webmaster board.