You mean like most people want min wage increased but congress will do nothing or most people want stricter gun laws but again congress wont do anything?

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Usually things like that works because you earn money as the country providing the logistics.

And also (especially when countries are less friendly than Canada and US) as a political leverage tool, like "you better do this or else we would close the line for "maintenance"" etc :)

You are making it sound like this has never been done before or that this is new. Hundreds of oil pipelines cross the United States. There is already pipelines in place to transport this oil, but this is an additional pipeline that it shorter. That oil needs to get from point A to point B, and that oil will cross the United States.

I'm sorry, but oil pipelines cross our country. It passes over and through our drinking water, public lands, and privately owned lands. There is nothing that can be done to change this.

Obama did the wrong thing here. A large percentage of Americans approved this, and there is no reason not to do it.

I'm inclined to think he should fight this Pipeline...but he should give in on the immigration thing and just let the Republicans win.

Homeland Security needs to be funded, especially with all of the threats out there. A side bonus to letting Republicans have their way with this issue is that they'll ensure no Latinos will vote for whatever clown gets through the Republican primary for 2016. The new and improved Party of Inclusiveness. :1orglaugh

You never let us down Tony :1orglaugh

Hi Rochard,

Tell that to the people in Nebraska. A bunch of property owners refused to let the pipeline on to their land. TransCanada is trying to use eminent domain to get their way. TransCanada takes steps to acquire Nebraska land for Keystone XL

Honest question to republicans : Why on earth would you let a foreign country try such a shitty, sneaky, legal maneuver like this?

This letter says it best:

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NBR...XIAE6Kzr.0.jpg

wasn't the veto due to republicans avoiding a state department investigation into the environmental impacts?

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Its the truth, if people are going to cry most of the country was for it and he vetoed it. There were lots of things the people were for and congress didnt bring up or voted down. It cant be when its not happening to you then its ok.

Like the GOP having the balls to say elections have consequences,they sure didnt feel that way when the pres won the first time. lol

How stressful jobs like politics can affect you.

http://s13.postimg.org/vni1ku3iv/1_Xe_D8_Lb.jpg

2 wrongs make a right to you. unbelievable that people will give up their representation because, hey, BO is getting even with republicans.

unreal people think it's OK to use veto power to block legislation the people want.

OMFG a pipeline instead of 1000s of trucks and rail cars, the horror, stop government and save the people from themselves and this armageddon pipe.

thanks for the democracy obama.

i see, so according to you, since the government has not done much, if anything, let's not start now.
status quo. unreal.

a bunch of property owners? you mean like 7 land owners? is 7 a bunch in Canada? You do realize transcanada has the legal right to sue for access? You do realize the SC cleared the way for that right? You do realize BO is OTR stating he would wait for that SC ruling before deciding to be for or against the pipe right?

so you need to be updated, this isn't a shitty sneaky legal maneuver, this is all within the laws established here. 7 wealthy land owners are the few left in the way, they are legally getting sued based on the laws in our country.

BO is an undemocratic thug of a PUSA. He's like one of those punks on a bicycle that gets in the way while you're driving and won't move. fuck him.

You do realize the oil coming down from Canada isn't the type they made gasoline with?

It's the kind that makes Clothes, Toothbrushes, Ice Chests, CD's & DVD's, Paint Brushes, Detergents, Vaporizers, Balloons, Sun Glasses, Tents, Heart Valves, Crayons, Parachutes, Telephones, Floor Wax, Ballpoint Pens, Football Cleats, Upholstery, Sweaters, Bicycle Tires, Nail Polish, Fishing lures, Tires, Golf Bags, Perfumes, Dishwasher parts, Tool Boxes, Shoe Polish, Motorcycle Helmets, Caulking, Petroleum Jelly, Transparent Tape, Ipods, Faucet Washers, Antiseptics, Food Preservatives, Basketballs, Soap, Vitamin Capsules, Antihistamines, Purses, Shoes, Dashboards, Cortisone, Deodorant, Footballs, Putty, Dyes, Panty Hose, Refrigerant ,Percolators, Life Jackets, Skis, TV Cabinets, Shag Rugs, Electrician's Tape, Epoxy Paint, Mops, Insect Repellent, Umbrellas, Yarn, Fertilizers, Hair Coloring, Roofing, Toilet Seats, Fishing Rods, Lipstick, Denture, Adhesive, Linoleum, Ice Cube Trays, Synthetic Rubber, Speakers, Plastic Wood, Electric Blankets, Glycerin, Tennis Rackets, Rubber Cement, Fishing Boots, Dice, Nylon Rope, Candles, Trash Bags, House Paint, Water Pipes, Hand Lotion, Roller Skates, Surf Boards, Shampoo, Wheels, Paint Rollers, Shower Curtains, Guitar Strings, Luggage, Aspirin, Safety Glasses, Antifreeze, Football Helmets, Awnings, Eyeglasses, Enamel, Pillows, Dishes, Cameras, Anesthetics, Artificial Turf, Artificial limbs, Bandages, Dentures, Model Cars, Hair Curlers, Cold creamMovie film, Soft Contact lenses, Drinking Cups, Fan Belts, Car Enamel, Shaving Cream, Refrigerators, Golf Balls just to name a few things that come from petroleum.

Your right we should get off that shit and go back to living in wood huts with stone tools only. :winkwink:

Yep, this is our future once all of the climastrologists and communists are done getting their way:

http://i.imgur.com/nJjyKsU.jpg

The only problem is that this type of lifestyle will require that there be far fewer of us otherwise all of the forests will be cut down and all of the wildlife eaten.


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I see you are now in favor of majority rules, I guess that means we will no longer see you denying global climate change as the majority of the people in this country and the world accept that man has sped up global warming.. Also since 97% of scientist also agree man has sped up the process I assume you will now agree with them, rather than your 3% deniers.

I also assume you will no longer have issues with Obamacare as the Majority of Americans are in favor of it.

It's good to see you finally coming around.. :thumbsup

Yes, a bunch of property owners refused to let the pipeline on their land. This shouldn't come as any surprise at all. Some people disagree with it, some people don't want the hassle, some just don't want a freaking pipeline running through their land.

This is "not a shitty legal maneuver". This is very common place. My mother works for a power company that builds power plants. You and I don't think about this, but building power plants is a huge undertaking that requires years of research. Plants have to be built in certain locations, near population centers, but also near current power grids and near sources of water. In all cases, power lines have to pass through both public and privately owned land. Once a route is decided on they contact land owners. Obviously, most people don't want power lines running through their back yard or on their land. However, we need power, we need power lines, and eventually they will be built. Some land owners will accept payments for this while others are taken by eminent domain.

I am sure people in California and Arizona didn't want a pipeline, but... People in Arizona need gas so... One way or another the pipeline gets built.

good for him!!

You are also talking about six years too. I know I've changed a lot in the past six years - and gained a lot weight too.

Just curious about where you get your "facts"

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

Though I wish they would build it, I have no issue with him Vetoing it. That's the way its supposed to work. If the congress can't get enough votes to override the veto, so be it. But I also don't complain when the system works when either side fights to block legislation they don't believe in. If nothing gets done as a result, so be it. I don't dislike gridlock. In fact I think its good. The government is already out of control in size and scope, and impossible to have any accountability at this point.

Yeah, only 37 % approve of Obamacare and 56% disapprove of it, it's a new low

Also about 59% of Americans want this pipeline

This is why I have that shit stain Crockut on ignore, he talks out his ass way too much!

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

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So you agree with this one then too? Since now we want mob rule
Quinnipiac University. June 24-30, 2014. N=1,446 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 2.6.


"Do you support or oppose stricter gun control laws in the United States?"


Support Oppose Unsure
% % %

6/24-30/14

50 47 3

9/23-29/13

54 41 5

3/26 - 4/1/13

53 42 4

2/27 - 3/4/13

51 42 7

1/30 - 2/4/13

52 43 5

7/8-13/08

54 40 5

I'm for majority rules in our Democracy, not in fucking science! jeez.

1. I've never denied climate change
2. i've never had an issue with obamacare

I am OTR here with both of those and have mentioned that to you many times.

I hear you, but here's the problem. Eminent domain means "the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation." In this case, it is a Private, Foreign, Corporation that is trying to claim Eminent domain.

Eminent domain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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So you are saying they are lying about most Americans supporting the pipeline??

Look at this poll...

Poll: 54% of Republicans say that, "deep down," Obama is a Muslim - Vox

It appears 54% of Republicans are fucking morons..

To go along with my previous statement of "the majority is a bunch of idiots," and to address your question posed to me a page back, I never said that an IQ test was required to vote.

What I'm saying, and what several others are trying to point out to you but you're nitpicking and missing the point (whether deliberate or not) is that sometimes, as someone in a position of power, you have to make decisions that go against the majority, because that majority may not fully understand the issue or the implications related to their point of view.

A simple look at the majority of the comments on any article about Obama vetoing this bill will prove that. The ones who are outraged (and in the majority who support the pipeline) believe this pipeline will bring oil into the US and reduce our gas prices. They also think that this will create thousands of long-term jobs, as opposed to the 35-50 long term and up to 3000 short term (a couple of years or less) jobs that it will actually create. They also aren't aware that the company behind this is NOT required to pay into the fund created for the purpose of expenses relating to leaks/spills/clean-up/etc.

Actually listening to un-informed opinions is idiotic, and I'd be pissed if any President did it, Repub or Dem. Would you buy a book if i recommended it, but knowing I never read it? Of course not, because my opinion would be worthless. Same goes for a good chunk of that "majority" that support the pipeline bill in its current state.

I get where you are coming from but here't the thing, it's not nitpicking to think BO should not use veto power to block a bill that has very little consequence and was at the very least and for whatever reason, something the people wanted and Congress actually worked together to pass. It was a step in the right direction and BO could have gone that route and joined in with Congress and shown he is willing and able to compromise.

Here's the thing, though, and I've seen very little mention of it. BO never said he would ALWAYS veto the bill and that he was opposed to the pipeline in any way, shape or form.

Look at his statement, and Pelosi's (who, a lot of times I think is bat shit crazy, just for the record):

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NBR...XIAE6Kzr.0.jpg

Pelosi:

Pelosi Statement on President Obamaâ??s Veto of Keystone XL Pipeline | Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi

Yeah, she took a stab at the Republicans. But the key thing is that last part of her statement:

So, it appears to me that the veto was because shit wasn't done the right way, and things aren't properly addressed in the bill. I don't think it's an abuse of power to reject something done half-ass. I really don't think he should have signed it to "show he was a team player" if there's things in it that need corrected/fixed/addressed.

To me, this veto and the statements that followed don't say, "fuck you, I'm not working with you on this" They say, "look, I can't accept this the way it is. There's just some more stuff that we need to work out and research that needs done before we can roll with this." But sadly, in our "my team vs your team" mentality, lines were immediately drawn in the sand.

It appears I have made the mistake of assuming that you were intelligent enough to know that the quote I posted was posted in the context of the line I quoted from you.

That 97% figure is the big lie. It is pure fabricated bullshit. Same goes for the whole CAGW panic. The climastrologists have led you straight down the rabbit hole and you have willingly followed them without stopping to think for a moment.


Holy Shit! I never would have guessed you were a Republican.

Emperor Obama will be so disappointed.


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BO said that back in 2012, that he would wait for the impact study, transcanada changed the route and it was approved there but then BO said HIS approval is postponed indefinitely until the Nebraska SC decides on the impact there, they approved it all back in January, now BO is blocking government working by claiming it hasn't been cleared.

in a nation with 10s of 1000s of miles of all kinds of gas pipes and stuff, we know how to lay some pipe.

a 50 year old man's hair turned gray over 6 years - that's all I see. the same thing happens to the 50 year old school crossing guard.

he could color it, many do, so I guess he likes it or something.

I'm 50 and my hair is brown. You can look at all presidents before and after.they all aged alot on the job,it's an awful job.

Happens to every president. Same with Clinton and Bush. Very stressful job. Surprised they don't look worse.

most likely because every US president is in their middle age.

stress can age you but I don't think stress has anything to do with graying hair, it's in your genes.

too lazy to google right now to see what science says.