opium and coca 100% natural and organic. but yes, its only drinking that hinders...

No, the most stupid laws in this tulip-infested kingdom deal with the protection of copyright infringement. Glad that the EU is laying down the law.

yes i read about LSD.
Now here is the french cover of the book:

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You can translate the title by "the blue weed"

and what wrong with that ?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Alcohol is totally natural substance and there is naturally alcohol in nature. Certain birds have extra tolerance for alcohol berries, as those berries are important part of their diet.

I am not saying this because I am drinking alcohol right now, there is absolutely no relation whatsoever. :)

Tobacco is also a natural plant whose leaves have been dried, crumbled, and smoked for thousands of years.

Look... a professional acting unprofessional.

That tulip-infested kindom exports for about 5 billion euros of tulips and tulip-like products yearly to all over the world... also to your debt-infested credit democracy.

"Kilju is considered to be a low-quality beverage that is consumed mainly for the sake of its alcohol content. It is most often found at student parties and it has a strong association with the Finnish punk subculture, presumably because of its "Do It Yourself" and anti-authoritarian characteristics. In Finland, only licensed restaurants and the government monopoly, Alko, are permitted to sell alcoholic beverages that have an ABV content of more than 4.7%. Consequently, producing and drinking kilju may be considered a form of anti-authoritarian protest.

Due to its low cost and simple production process, kilju is mostly drunk by low-income people or heavy drinkers[citation needed], such as students and alcoholics. The simple production process also enables underage persons to make it quite easily."

Kilju - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I qualify: as a student, low-income, underage and for the sake of alcohol. Totally natural to get blasted. :)

I understood your sarcasm. You didn't mine. Fail. :)

I just found my new wallpaper, thanks mate!! :thumbsup

Just like a Lawyer to obfuscate and go off topic. Surprising you would take a xenophobic and provincial approach tho, especially coming from Chicago. I blame the marijuana for your prejudiced comments.

"Objection!"
"Sustained!"

Think Star Wars: "Stay on target, stay on target..."

EDIT: Just saw your sig. Barry Goldwater?? OK your comments are not surprising at all.

"Over ruled!"

Because they don't think with their own heads, someone alse is working thru their minds.

My ex gf's brother and his entire group of friends were/are types like that. Besides him i saw a lot of other similar users in my life. In debt; not paying bills; begging for money; manipulative (help me out once more i have this new job starting after the weekend blahblah); lying; on welfare; not thinking about or working towards a self-sustaining situation but Always depending on others; etc... If used daily that shit costs you a couple of hundred bucks a month... low income workers or people on welfare simply don't have the money for it and thus all shit starts...

I don't hate marijuana and i don't think goverments have the right to decide for others if they can or cannot use it...
But i can fully understand that, when you are having a brother or son or whatever acting like above, you can hate that stuff....

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You're not old enough to drink!:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Main differences between alcohol and marijuana.

Alcohol: get blasted and you are rid of the alcohol during the next day.
Marijuana: get stoned and you will never get rid of the marijuana, as some of it is stored in your body.

Marijuana might be safe in similar terms than straitjacket + some numbing drugs. Thanks, but no thanks. I rather risk getting aggressive and falling of balcony.

In Finland you can drink starting from 18 years old. I am now 18.000001:ish.

WRONG

Main difference is that alcohol is a poison and used as a disinfectant and an sedative. Consumed in large doses will cause organ damage/failure and ultimately death It is also physically addictive and users build up tolerance so more and more need to be consumed leading to addiction - Hello Betty Ford! Not to mention daily countless drunk driving accidents/arrests, domestic abuse, and just plain acting stupid and reckless while sedated with alcohol.

Marijuana on the other hand is not a sedative but a mind-expanding substance so while drinking makes you slow and stupid, pot opens creative thought. No one has ever died from an overdose (although it does increase appetite and can led to obesity for some). It also makes music sound fucking awesome! Highly recommended :thumbsup

Yes, potheads are famous for being intelligent: hence the name. Also, I already said marijuana is safe, just like taking some pills those make you drooling vegetable. Safe.

Drunks just drink, they don't make a tedious apology as cannabis users do.

Better than the name Dickhead which I am sure most people refer to you as :thumbsup

I think this is one of the main reasons people hate weed. They either have bad experiences themselves or they witness stereotypical pothead behaviors. But one could also argue that alcohol is much more prevalent in inner cities and with people on welfare. Why? Because alcohol (as stated) is a sedative. It numbs the pain of....well, life. This is why so many performers have issues with alcohol and end up in rehab. Drinking is the only way they can escape (that, and heroin), to numb their pain and awareness. Then addiciton sets in and they're fucked.

With weed, it's not addictive (habitual yes, addictive no). With marijuana it is an ENHANCER. If you are feeling good, in a happy mood etc, then you will feel even more wonderful. If however, you are in a bad mood or feeling depressed or uptight or scared, it will heighten those emotions, too. And this can freak some people out. This why it's VERY important to know what KIND of weed you are smoking (sativa/head high, indica/body stoned effect) and to be careful where, when and with whom you smoke it.

The irony is that those who prefer drinking alcohol are the ones who could benefit from marijuana the most. :)

Maybe; but it is not so assuring when it comes from angry and distressed gay. Do you read your own posts? I am know-it-all at most. You are just plainly angry and distressed.

I defend what I think is good and right, not promoting the suicide of humankind.

Just highly opinionated actually and yes, I do think that humanity is a failed experiment that will soon be over and the sooner the better :thumbsup

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it's like repealing the 18th amendment meets the gold rush of 1849

big fan of the haters here!

cigs are the number one gateway drugs

Ask yourself this: who would you rather hangout with?

A. Drinkers getting drunk, obnoxious, pissing their pants and wreaking of alcohol, belligerant, fighting and waking up with a hangover.

OR

B. Stoners smoking marijuana, happy and laughing, maybe a little hungry, listening to great music and wreaking of pot smoke (okay, you got me there LOL). Hugging and fucking and smiling and loving life, waking up without a hangover.

B B B B B!!!!
(for me)

A: Party
B: Fucking hippies

Although I have seen drunk people smiling, laughing, getting a little hungry, listening great music (as well as sucky music), hugging, fucking and loving life. But it sucks.
Plan A: paaartyyyyy!! :)

But out of curiosity; if you take some violent criminal that crushes skulls at his leisure, will he become as some jolly fellow by smoking pot? You know, as there is not that much fighting with alcohol unless you are violent already.

Ok I'll bite, so it's the same old repertoire of sermonic demagogy, what have we had so far:


if you don't like weed (or "hate" as some like to stress the "we're oppressed and misunderstood" factor) then:

- you are not educated enough to understand it, in fact a pot educated person is superior to a pot uneducated person (amazing argument, that's a peak of education, to be able to babble about pros and cons of weed for hours, days and years)

- you are brainwashed by an illuminati agenda that keeps the miracle herb from masses (so those people can't find the real meaning of life - getting stoned, how easy it is)

- you are not the right person to smoke it so you can't understand how amazing it is (also a heavy argument, make sure you look up to your superior drug users, those that were chosen to experience the life after weed)

- it's not a drug because you can find it in nature (yes that's an amazing argument, the same way as you can't get poisoned by a snakebite, it's not a poison because you can find it in nature)

- people smoking weed are amazingly intelligent, creative and successful (yes, the same way as we once recorded a song with our garage band while high and thought it's the next best thing since Jimi Hendrix's Woodstock improvisation, until we sobered up)

- it is in no way addictive (look at anybody stressing this and in 99,5 pct. of cases he'll smell after weed and you'll find that they smoke it daily)

- stoners are fun to be around (as long as you're stoned also, otherwise you may feel like hitting them with a rock)

- marijuana won't kill anyone (drinking piss will neither, yet that still doesn't make it any more sensible)

Have I left anything out?



Then we, eventually come to one principal question, you like weed, we get it, so....

Why would anybody in their right mind feel the utter need to fight for and explain their drug use over and over and over and over again?

Nobody cares, do whatever you want in private, hell you can smoke horseshit if you want to! But don't be coming to boards and pubs and I don't know where and advocate smoking horseshit as the next big thing and how amazing expanding, healthy and harmless that is.

That those that can't smoke horseshit or don't know it's full history and illuminati agenda behind it can't understand how oppressed yet expanded the horseshit smokers are, and how anyone not smoking horseshit is just somewhat inferior to a true horseshit smoker, because the horseshit smokers figured it all out already.


Seriously - I wonder, is a typical, chronical weed smoker secretly ashamed of his drug use? therefore the never ending justification and "argumentation"?

Do they really need to justify their drug use at any given opportunity?

I'm in no way against one's right for recreational marijuana use and trust that the government shouldn't be criminalizing it. I am, however, easily annoyed by the very demagogic and extremely overplayed, borderline psychotic, quite laughable and most importantly absolutely unasked for "arguments" as illustrated above. I suspect I'm not the only one.

Actually, I have known many people who suddenly and mysteriously turn into an "angry drunk" and get aggressive when they drink. Alcohol can do that to people. Now can a joint calm down a violent criminal? Would be interesting test. LOL Tho I will not volunteer to administer it. LOL But I suspect not, since if someone is so chemically-unbalanced in the first place weed would probably enhance his violent nature.


Take a puff dude and chill out. :stoned This thread was inspired by the Washington DC/Congressional announcements from today. So yeah, plenty of people argue this point and, in this country (the USA) state-by-state people are debating it on a daily basis.

WHY is that? Is it because the majority of people understand marijuana should be legalized? This is certainly, undoubtedly, and unarguably the trend.

Yet the Haters continue to hate. If the Right Wingers and clueless judgemental fucks would leave us pot smokers alone then there would be no need for ANY discussion. But they cannot "leave us alone", instead fighting every attempt at legalization and I would like to know why.

Capiche?

Only drugs I've ever done were weed and X, weed just puts me to sleep, did like X but that was back when I was clubbing and shit which would be a rare occurrence these days. So as of today I drink beer, vodka and smoke cigs. Don't give a shit what anyone else does though. :2 cents:

^^^ Truth

Sex Ed did wonders getting the girls to loosen up :thumbsup

Many forms of marijuana contain ZERO THC and do not make you high at all but are terrific treatments for horrible illnesses. If you haven't seen the TED talk about Charlotte's web marijuana click this link and watch the video for 15 minutes. It may change your entire view on legal marihuana. :2 cents:

We like to think cannabis is less harmful because it is a plant that is consumed in it's natural form. On one hand, plants can be poisonous. On the other hand alcohol is poison.



I think that's the stoner argument. More natural and less processed than other drugs like sugar. Not as toxic or impairing as alcohol. Why is one buzz banned and not the other?

My mom's doctor suggested she try medical pot for her pain. She has serious arthritis and lack of cartilage in her knees so she has a lot of pain. She is 75 years old so a knee replacement might not be the best option. She has pain meds, but they all have nasty side effects of some form. Her doctor suggested she give it a shot. It might help her with the pain and not have the bad side effects.

More proof that size doesn't matter, it's all about the weed.

:1orglaugh

I really miss doing coke .......

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Has wehateporn responded yet? Pretty sure he would have some input on this one...and ironically he may be right on this one :-/

So you use marijuana and you have never met a classic burnout? It tends to dull a persons ambition. And if overused the people can becomea bit zombied.

he is probably on a mission

Livers rejuvenate.

Brain cells...not so much.

I don't miss the dent it made in the wallet.

Talk about a gateway drug! Gateway into all da clubs and ho's...LOL

Actually, a close childhood friend was exactly that way, total burnout. I had to cut his loser ass out of my life after knowing him thirty years cause he was exactly as you put it. Really sad. I have no idea if he ever got his shit together, I last saw him over ten years ago.

But these are extreme cases, and any drug or addiction can lead to these types of examples. It's always easy to go to the worst case scenario. But I am not advocating we go back to Prohibition and ban alcohol simply because it makes some people assholes and has an inherant tendency to do so.

So there must be a 'higher agenda' at work here to keep marijuana so demonized and for so many to still hate it.

No, Sir, you are not the only one. There are so many johnny-one-notes who OCD over marijuana and think it cures spinal deformities and should be the exclusive diet of infants and is the way to connect to god and a fuel for rocket ships, etc. It is one of many plants that produce an effect on the brain. Anecdotally, every long time user I've ever seen who makes marijuana a regular part of every day and goes to it as "stress relief" does actually seem subtly impaired, like early alzheimers, or a confused exiled gnome. You used to get that with alcohol "In Vinum Veritas" and shit like that, but not so much anymore.

Still, smoke if you wish, drink if you wish, just don't invade anyone's space with it.

Lots of people who smoke weed shoot guns /endthread

I have seen marijuana calm down a violent criminal.

He was baked, smiling, laughing, happy and we had a good chat about all sorts of things.

The times before I met this individual, not stoned, he was the type to always be bragging about his violent exploits, what a tough man he was, life in jail. Earlier in life, somebody tried to rob this man, and after defending himself, chased them down several blocks and beat the other man to death, until his brain fell out of his head infact.

I've also witnessed that individual on alcohol, and another occasion on meth. Speaking from experience, I know which drugs I'd rather see "freely available" and it sure ain't booze or meth.

:2 cents:

No prizes for guessing what drugs said individual was on ^ when he committed that murder.

In my own experience, I've never seen a person become violent from marijuana, but I sure have seen it a lot with alcohol, and we all know how meth effects people after not very long...

I used to smoke weed but I cant stand it any more. It makes people lazy as fuck and skitzo's.