Your answers are quite "empty". First of all, no-one hasn't said that Earth's climate isn't changing or that we can stop it changing, at least with current methods, if there is even will for it. The whole issue is about human's impact to Earth's climate, not about sun's impact, not about our orbit's, not about vulcano's; human's impact. So what the fuck is this talk that Earth's climate changing naturally? That is not the subject.

Earth's climate changing is bad thing. We have built our civilization based on current climate. There is lot of stuff between extinction and everything being okay. For example USA is so, so sad about 911 events. So why? You didn't get extinct and dying is totally natural thing. Might there be some other reason to be sad, than just getting extinct?

About companies; companies in generally don't benefit from lessening human's impact to climate; very opposite. Some companies might have some carbon rights to sell, but there is that bying end that pays for it. In generally this battle costs and companies in general are not very willing to pay that price.

About politics who drive with limousines and bomb places; those are your politicians, not mine.

What is about that 20 years timeline? From where did you get that? And even in that time things change, but the timeline has nothing to do with nothing; besides maybe about your own ass.

6 months ago, you admitted it existed. Did you back track? Homo sapient are about 200,000 years old.

Admitted what existed? Man made global warming? I haven't "admitted" anything like that! (thought the word "admitted" doesn't have any meaning here)

And yes, homo sapiens are about 200,000 years old. But humans have been on Earth a couple of million years in other "Homo" (quit laughing) forms and using tools etc.

But yes, "modern" man is 200,000 years old.

What does any of that have to do with what I said about people making billions of dollars in the "carbon trading" market to "fix" "man made global warming"

And how does it change what I said about humans living in all kinds of extreme climates...even today?

You are missing the entire point I'm trying to make.

You are being used through fear mongering to make people very, very rich. IF there was a true danger to the human race, you would see the govt. actually mobilize the country and act like it.

Instead...our politicians fly in private jets, ride in big limousines, and send our giant military out to fly jets, sail in enormous aircraft carriers, ride around in tanks, and bomb the fuck out of other countries.

IF you driving your car is going to cause us all to be in peril because the Earth's temps might go up 5 degrees over a long period of time...then what the hell do you think all the things I just listed are doing?

Our politicians are saying "Do as I say, not as I do"

None of you guys attacking me are addressing what I am asking.

As Bob Dylan once wrote: "If something ain't right, it's wrong".

And something definitely is NOT right.

Everything from what I just typed about the govt.'s actions, to the fact that these scientists predictions have been wrong over and over on this subject.

We are being railroaded and scammed for money. That's my thought on the subject.
It's still a free country. I hope you don't mind if I disagree with the alarmists point of view.

In my opinion...the "alarmists" are the true "deniers" because they refuse to acknowledge the very real possibility that this whole thing is being used to make billions of dollars.
They won't even slightly entertain the thought. Even with all I just said and even with all the failed "settled science" of the last 40+ years on this subject.

Apparently if I don't fall in line and go with whatever story is being told THIS decade concerning "man made global warming" then I am obviously just not as clever as you guys are.

As I already said...look back in 20 years and see what became of all of this. Nothing will have changed. I would say come back in a thousand years...but conveniently (for alarmists), we will all be long dead.

Another Ice Age would suck so bad.. It would be SOOOO cold!

Then the survivors would be sacrificing each other to the ice gods to get some global warming.

You live in California. About the same latitude as southernmost Europe/ North Africa.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Glacial_Maximum_World_Map.jpg

So what are you saying??

How you know where I live?

Petition signed that says there is no evidence of global warming

Global Warming Petition Project

31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs

This proves it!!!Finally you cracked the case.

Satellite Data Says 2014 Not Warmest On Record | The Daily Caller

So where's this proof that there is global warming?

http://m4gw.com/wp-content/uploads/2...telliteMap.jpg

Watch out. The alarmists are going to come for you.

http://i.imgur.com/BbnmaMOl.jpg

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Do you have to be a moron every time you post?

Al Gore predicted that oceans would rise 20 feet by 2100, it looks like were on track for about a foot. 80% of the tide gauges show less rise than the official “global average”. Many tide gauges show no rise in sea level, and almost none show any acceleration over the past 20 years.

2014 saw record snowfall in many areas, remember when they said that global warming would cause snow to disappear and children won’t know what snow is.

In 2014 NASA finally launched a satellite that measures CO2 levels around the globe. They assumed that most of the CO2 would be coming from the industrialized northern hemisphere but much to their surprise it was coming from the rainforests in South America, Africa and China.

In 2014 there was record sea ice in Antarctica in fact a global warming expedition got stuck in it. Arctic sea ice has also made a nice comeback in 2014. The Great lakes had record ice Lake Superior only had 3 ice free months in 2014. You’d think that in the hottest year ever that ice would be melting like Al Gore said.

Is that what Bronc looks like?

I love living in LA, how many of you are snowed in right now or dreading going outside? I rode around on my bike in a t shirt today!

Dynamo :

The topic of this thread is "Why is global warming so threatening?", and you changed the subject and posted a picture of trash.

Of course trash, especially plastic bottles and other plastic items in the oceans is a seriously fucked up problem. However, Aka123 is right, and you are wrong.



Robbie, what Crockett said is exactly right, and your argument is wrong. While its true that the earth's atmosphere is dynamic, the right amount of gasses has to be maintained if life on earth is going to continue to exist in relative comfort. Man is disturbing the ratio by pumping way too much greenhouse gasses into the air, and the damage it is causing and will cause down the road can be seen right now. It's important that people realize this before its too late.

Ya. Had to help push 3 cars today that were stuck trying to get into driveways and had to shovel heavy, slushy, compacted snow that the plow pushed up at the end of the driveway.

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Because its true. You write well enough and you know how to argue, but other times you seem to not be interested in the facts, and you seem to be someone who just wants to either "give up", or, to just "do nothing".

I guess I'm still trying to figure you out.




Thats my point. Sometimes you talk like you do things that matter and other times you don't. I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm just trying to understand you.

Lol! Simmer down man... we're just talking.

That's why I live here! I couldn't part my Harley for a few months every year.

So you are saying that in the past when CO2 levels were at 8000 ppm, and life was flourishing in greater abundance than it does now, life was existing in relative discomfort?

What is the proper ratio of gases in the atmosphere? Is there a manual for that?

What is the damage that can be seen right now?


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Eon, if you don't believe real scientists, then who do you believe? I'm sorry, no offence, but if you're not going to believe an outfit like NASA that figured out how to get to the moon, have launched countless satellites into orbit, and placed robots on Mars, then there's no point in continuing this conversation with you. They are sounding the alarm - we really need to listen to them.

Robbie, it's not the local temperature thats the problem. Yes people life in sub zero temps at the poles, and boiling hot temps around the equator.

The problem is the "average" temperature of the earth. You and won't even notice the average going up, that isn't the issue. The issue is that warmer average temperatures melt more ice, faster, raising the ocean level.

Read this : Strong Hurricanes Getting Stronger; Warming Is Blamed

Humans (homo sapiens) have been around for 200,000 years. Modern humans came along and fucked everything up in a couple hundred years. Damn yous.

Do you honestly believe that the engineers and physicists that are responsible for launching rockets, satellites and Mars rovers are the ones who are involved in "climate science".

They are not.

Do you honestly believe that any "climate scientists" employed by NASA work on space flight operations?

They do not.

FYI - here is a chart of the atmospheric temperatures as measured by a satellite launched by NASA:

http://i.imgur.com/xWJWaHZ.gif

Does that seriously want to make you run into the streets screaming "panic!" like you do?

Seriously?

The branch of NASA that is focused on climate studies is the GISS which was run by James Hansen from 1981 to 2013 and since then by Gavin Schimdt. They are both noted climate alarmists/activists who are in charge of the temperature data.

If you honestly believe they are beyond fudging the data to support their cause then you are way past naive.

Incidently, do you believe that Richard Lindzen is a "real scientist"?

He is now one of the scientists subject to Obama's climate "witch hunt".

Do you approve of this?

And what do you know that he doesn't?



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I still don't see the "problem" that you do.

The Earth warms up, the Earth cools down. All without man. The ocean's rise, the ocean's fall.

Guess what. You can't stop it. Eventually, one day...the ocean will rise and some cities will have to move. It's happened throughout history.

It's not the end of the world. And definitely no reason to cripple ourselves in the current age because of alarmists like Gore claiming that it's the end.

Robbie I like you but You have 0 idea about this topic, your knowledge on it is Very superficial...

NASA - Global Prediction, Monitoring and Response

I didn't say that. I said that Nasa as an agency, as a whole, is a group that deserves our attention.

Yes. The chart you displayed clearly shows the warming trend. Again it doesn't take much to get us into problems. Don't forget that we are looking at the average temperature of the entire planet and specifically, the average temperature of the ocean. A few degrees warmer means less ice, for less time, and more water. More water (and warmer water) is just the beginning of the problems too.

Why do you call them "Alarmists" and "Activists"?

Yes he's a real scientist, but a lot of what he says is a little off. He seems to ignore certain things such as our planet's thermal inertia (Which locally anyway, is why in Canada at least, the weather continues to get colder after Dec 21st each year when we get more and more sunlight. The actual explanation says "the degree of slowness with which the temperature of a body approaches that of its surroundings and which is dependent upon its absorptivity, its specific heat, its thermal conductivity, its dimensions, and other factors".

He also claims that there has been no warming since 1997, and ignores the hottest years on record (2010, 2014). Many other things he says are not supported by other scientists.

Is he right or wrong? Who really knows? I'm hoping he's right but the evidence disagrees with him.


Why do you call this a "Witch Hunt"?

Serious question for you.

Here's a scientist making a claim. He can be right or wrong of course. Why not simply say that he is "right" or "wrong"? If the president (or anyone) says a scientist is wrong, why use the term "witch hunt"?

In other words, why demonize the person?

According to Wikipedia, The Demonizing the enemy, Demonization of the enemy or Dehumanization of the enemy[1] is a state propaganda technique which promotes an idea about the enemy being threatening evil aggressor with only destructive objectives.[2] Demonization is the oldest propaganda technique aimed to inspire hatred toward the enemy necessary to hurt them more easily, to preserve and mobilize allies and demoralize the enemy.




Nothing of course. I'm not a scientist. I'm just a guy who doesn't want to see his home planet go to shit, or its humans manipulated into doing so by burning too much fossil fuels. That's it...

peace.

One researcher gets money from an oil company so everything in now false?

There is just as much if not more pointing to the alarmist that they are being mislead

The Coming Revelation Of The 'Global Warming' Fraud Resembles The Obamacare Lie - Forbes

While it's easy to believe that man has fucked up the planet, in this case, it hasn't. In the last 18 years, temps have remained the same, in fact many parts of the country are having record snow and the rise of the ocean in most places have not risen, some have risen almost a foot when Gore said it would rise several feet.

It's ok Chicken Little, the sky is not falling!

the ice will melt in 36 months

I know enough to use google. It's pretty easy to look up what actual geologists have learned about both the CO2 content of the Earth's atmosphere over history and the temperatures of the Earth over history.

What is happening right now is we are slowly...VERY slowly warming back up after the "Little Ice Age".

I don't go along with giant corporations making billions of dollars with fearmongering by selling "carbon credits" on the "carbon trade" market.

It doesn't "Fix" the imaginary "Problem" one bit. But it's pretty much the ONLY thing that govt. is doing.

Since you think I don't know anything about the subject...then why don't YOU tell me why the U.S. govt. still has our politicians flying private jets, riding in big limousines, living in mansions with huge "carbon footprints", and sending out the military worldwide in fighter jets, tanks, aircraft carriers to bomb the hell out of other countries.

IF this weren't a money scam and "Man Made Climate Change" was so important to "fix"...then why isn't the govt. and the lifetime/career bureaucrats doing anything to "fix" it and why are they contributing to the "problem" so heavily?

In carny-speak we call people who believe in a con a "Mark". (no relation to Mark Prince...though he is a "mark" in the carny sense as well. lol)

Well, at least the head of the EPA has a good tight grip on all the facts when asking for 8.6 BILLION DOLLARS of our money.








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Wow, I just watched that video...it's amazing that that woman bureaucrat (unelected by the way) is so ignorant while asking for a huge increase in funding.

Global warming may have caused man's evolution 3 million years ago. ...

Maybe, man will evolve to use the CO2 in the atmosphere for its energy value ... like plants do ... rise of the vegetable people of the future. Weird Science 102

Holy shit, she actually said "from a national security perspective"???

I think this graph sort of says it all. We are creating change but is it a problem is the question.

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This just about says it all from that page: Predicting and Modeling Global Changes.

"Predictions" and "models" do not necessarily equate to fact or the truth. Many of their predictions and models have been flat out wrong.

For example:

?Shindell?s model predicts that if greenhouse gases continue to increase, winter in the Northern Hemisphere will continue to warm. ?In our model, we?re seeing a very large signal of global warming and it?s not a naturally occurring thing. It?s most likely linked to greenhouse gases,? he said.
- NASA, GISS, 2 June 1999


So a rise of 4 tenths of a degree over thirty years is an impending catastrophe in your eyes? 4 tenths of a degree is inside the margin of error for temperature data. Change the scale on the Y-axis or plot actual temperature and that trend disappears.

There is no such thing as an actual "average" temperature for the entire planet and/or the ocean. There is simply too much of the planet that is not measured and the parts that are measured are often measured incorrectly. The "average" temperature that they quote is a best guess based on extrapolation and models. The only measurements that are accurate and reliable are the satellite measurements as shown in the graph I posted. Sure the satellite record shows a very slight warming trend but that is over a very short time span and it is hardly a catastrophic increase.

You say it doesn't take "much" to get us into problems. Define "much". I think the planet is far more dynamic than you think. If such minor fluctuations could cause so much damage then life on earth would never have flourished like it has.


Because that's what they are.

Hansen has left a very large trail of failed alarmist predictions behind him. After failing to get his way by trying to scare people he decides to quit his job and become a full time professional whiner and complainer about not getting his way - aka activist.

James Hansen to quit NASA, become full-time climate activist

Schmidt is a modeller who is responsible for driving much of the alarmism based on his largely faulty models. Models are not scientific fact. They are best guesses based on often faulty data. Garbage in, garbage out.


According to the NASA satellite record there has been no statistically significant warming since 1997. Many scientists know that the ground based temperature record is flawed and unreliable and that we should rely more on the satellite data going forward.


Because a "witch hunt" is exactly what it is:

Witch-hunt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The president and other politicians have gone way beyond simply saying that certain scientists are right or wrong:

https://www.barackobama.com/climate-change/

Democrats on ?witch hunt? for doomsday-denying climate scientists

Running Updates on the "Witch Hunt"

I don't know why you refuse to take a break from your little kool-aid sipping party and poke your head up out of your rabbit hole. Once you do it will not be hard for you to see reality more clearly.



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