Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408006)

:-)
you know, for most of the people - unfortunately - things like personal freedom or freedom at all doesnt matter that much.
they prefer to be not hungry, have work and be safe...and freedom ? maybe they will think about it if their basic needs will be fulfilled. that's the sad reality, especially with nations like Russians who actually - are not really that good for democratic type of governs.
these kind of nations love to have a good Tzar, who will fill their basic needs. maybe he will be cruel sometimes for his political oponents..maybe he will be harsh and strong...but he will give them food, will not rob them blindly (lets say - he only takes them 10 % of income) and generally speaking - he will allow them to live like they want unless they wont question his authority....
they had "democracy/" which in their conditions means = oligarchy and corruption (even bigger than now) for 10 years during Yeltsin and it was probably the worst period for average Russian. mafia, thieves, inflation, poverty and once again - poverty. just ask any average Russian about it.
The West was of course really happy to try to export his neocon reforms to the country like Russia - that is not copy of US, as people have there different mentality...and to have weak Russia, open to any influence from outside with drunk Yeltsin and happy, laughing Clinton...
not every country is good for "democracy". take a look at Libya, Iraq, Russia and few others. and what kind of "democracy" is in US ? with a secret government who likes to watch everyone through venetian mirror - they can see everything, yet nobody can see what they do...
and democracy in UK ? do you know that their agency GCHQ was targettting JOURNALISTS, treating them as potential treat to status quo ?
power is always power.
thats my point of view from outside

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20407947)

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20408018)

Looking at this scientific approach I suggest lets keep the fuckers behind the bars - the iron curtain again. 10% is your fantasy tho.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408043)

Fuckers ? do you think that they are the only "fuckers and losers" on this planet ?
and why do you think Americans elected Bush for the second time in 2004 ? Because somebody manipulated them into fear... and they elected "strong" leader...
who didnt care shit about his nation. only about his mates and friends
and why do you think that most of the Americans believed/ still believe in Obama ? that he will be wind of change that improve his country ? that he will stop the bankers robbing, military industrial complex having wars and let live good his citizens ? yet, he prolonges the same policies as Bush's - and sometimes makes them even worse , and people still believe that he is different. oh, he looks so cute...he has to be different... [regardless if all of that is his personal tragedy and he indeed was/ is true idealist, but this time crushed and stucked in the wheels of power]
and your Yatseniuk guy ? who the f.. is he ?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
and your Poroshenko ?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
he cares about you like never..like nobody before... he will be your "Papi"

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20408055)

Take a break from yourself, drink some pure piss.

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20408055)

im drunk

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408075)

ok Kozack. just to stir up atmosphere a little and make you even more angry
your favorite Ataman. especially for you
https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019...t72ko1_500.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20407991)

Maduro-ooo.
and no, they are not happy with him, aswhat venezuelan government did is total clusterfuck....some good things and most of them - bad.

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408121)

Looked happy on TV yesterday. Huge turnout for him.
Idiot imposing some sort of sanctions on US as well. Must have gotten the tip from Vlad.

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20408093)

Making me angry is not any near your influence, bot :) I'm sorry you wasted your night, you could have masturbated instead.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408149)

he did it to impress his fans. but visa ban for cheney and bush jr ? i think that each country should has such law:winkwink:
In my opinion his face doesnt look like happy. More like a concerned. And no doubts about that.
they fucked up their economy, being the 5th largest oil exporter in the world. only in south america, only in carribean it is possible... official rate is probably 7 bolivars to 1 USD, unofficial its 200 bolviars to 1 USD.
one of the cheapest countries in the world if you will bring the cash. I heard though that they changed their system a little...but still - if you have cash usd or eur, you rule...

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408224)

Obviously he wasn't parading for the opposition Captain O. And just like in Russia he has plenty of supporters drooling over the fact that some americans won't be banking at 1st Venezuela bank or buy beach front property in Caracas :1orglaugh

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/...n_eyebrows.gif

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408237)

and ? what is your point ? that all politicians are lying bitches or only those outside US ?:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408291)

yes they do that.
so what are you trying to say here ?
maybe you just want to say that US is the best country in the world to live and that's obvious? [ I wouldnt say so, and I'd never like to be born there, I prefer my mentality :winkwink:]? or ? or what ?
what is your point ? that you are 2nd largest economy by GDP in the world or 10th by GD per capita ?


Or that life of average american citizen is easier than the life of average Russian, North Korean, Bolivian or Venezuelan guy ? ->>> well, that is true.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408304)

The question is not if you are drinking right now but how much have you been drinking. Seriously, do you read your own posts?

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408314)

I'm sober...
I made some grammar errors or you are surprised that I admit that life in US for average citizen is good, yet I still wouldnt like to be born there ?

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408320)

Its not about your grammar. Its about going off topic once again. Why would I care if you wished to be born in the US or not?

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408334)

nevermind then. you seem to brag how great US is and how shitty the other countries are, that's why I asked if this is your real agenda :-)

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408349)

Ok, two and a half.

GDP per capita

GDP - per capita (PPP) - Country Comparison

70 Russia 17,000
71 Gabon 16,400
72 Puerto Rico 16,300
73 Botswana 16,200

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408349)

Ok, two and a half.

GDP per capita

GDP - per capita (PPP) - Country Comparison

70 Russia 17,000
71 Gabon 16,400
72 Puerto Rico 16,300
73 Botswana 16,200

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew (Post 20408359)

yes, I confirm:thumbsup Citizens of Cabon, Puerto Rico, Botswana in space:thumbsup
http://cdnimg.rg.ru/img/content/96/17/47/3p_flag.jpg
http://kosmos-x.net.ru/_nw/24/54271708.jpg

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408361)

What does space has to do with your economic status fool? You have to look at your economy rankings instead. Last I heard Moody has you as loss write off.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408374)

you know, Moody ratings are really "reliable", especially as they are US based company - and surprisingly - there is a kind of economic war against Russia since almost year....
And where the Moody was with Lehman brothers and Greece ? :1orglaugh
I'm not saying that Russia is bigger economy than US, because its not... but some interesting facts for economy lovers...
Russia Debt Clock :: National Debt of Russia
US Debt Clock :: National Debt of United States

funny, isnt it ? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408380)

Moody can care less about your imaginary "economic war". What they care is your currency devaluation, drained reserves, government bonds and bunch of other things you don't want to talk about.
And what does Moody has to do with Lehmans or Greece? They do ratings not bail out banks. As always you are mixing everything in one pot. You bore me with this juvenile brain farting.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408384)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/bu...pagewanted=all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit...ubprime_crisis
your reliable agencies :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

and yeah, of course, there are not political pressure on agency based in NY :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
dude........

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20408018)

Looking at this scientific approach I suggest lets keep the fuckers behind the bars - the iron curtain again. 10% is your fantasy tho.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408043)

Fuckers ? do you think that they are the only "fuckers and losers" on this planet ?
and why do you think Americans elected Bush for the second time in 2004 ? Because somebody manipulated them into fear... and they elected "strong" leader...

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20408353)

42 Portugal 25,643
43 Lithuania 25,374
44 Greece 25,126
45 Bahamas, The 24,648
46 Russia 24,298
47 Seychelles 23,532
48 Poland 23,273
49 Hungary

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408360)

Two hour drive outside Moscow and its a third world country. Never been to Ukraine but pretty sure its not any better.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20408452)

BTW, if Russia is a 3rd-world country (the only country that still delivers the so-called US astronauts to ISS), then some EU countries like Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria etc are 4th World ones? Their GDP is less than in Russia... ;)

P.S. Counting of GDP is dollars is a joke. GDP is an internal (domestic) thing and must be calculated in national currencies only (Russia is not the USA and we do not print dollars like toilet paper). Also the ways of calculation are really funny. For example the UK and Italy add prostitution and drug-traffic into their GDP (such a clever decision!) :) As about the US, so I can easily show how its being calculated. Jack the redneck got a loan in some US bank (add this money to the US GDP), he bought a home (add this money to the US GDP), he paid taxes (add this money to the US GDP), his son joined the US army (add his salary to the US GDP) and been sent to Afghanistan (add the cost of the US Afghan company, weapon, bases etc to the US GDP). After a few months he was heroically killed there and send back to home in a coffin with stars and stripes (add the price of the coffin, transportation and funeral to the US GDP). A gravedigger was paid for it and paid his taxes as well (add this money to the US GDP). This is how GDP is being calculated :) So in fact, all those cosmic military expenses make your GDP higher and make your people poorer - there are no free medicine and education in the USA and a regular American lives for loans and credits (for example I have never took any credit/load in a whole my life). So enjoy your GDP :)

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20408417)

Ah those 3rd-world countries :mad:



You are wrong again, Johny. A regular Russian village is a 3rd world, that's true because they all literally dead. But any big city in Russia is not much different to Moscow (St. Petersburg, Ekaterinburg, Sochi, Kazan etc)...

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20408531)

ok, so you don't like GDP as a measure of development, fair enough...

How about a more comprehensive measure like HDI? Where does Russia lie compared to other countries? Clearly with all the "free" healthcare and "free" education Russia should be near the top?

List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Human Development Index (HDI) is a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living, and quality of life for countries worldwide."

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20408452)

BTW, if Russia is a 3rd-world country (the only country that still delivers the so-called US astronauts to ISS), then some EU countries like Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria etc are 4th World ones? Their GDP is less than in Russia... ;)

P.S. Counting of GDP is dollars is a joke. GDP is an internal (domestic) thing and must be calculated in national currencies only (Russia is not the USA and we do not print dollars like toilet paper). Also the ways of calculation are really funny. For example the UK and Italy add prostitution and drug-traffic into their GDP (such a clever decision!) :) As about the US, so I can easily show how its being calculated. Jack the redneck got a loan in some US bank (add this money to the US GDP), he bought a home (add this money to the US GDP), he paid taxes (add this money to the US GDP), his son joined the US army (add his salary to the US GDP) and been sent to Afghanistan (add the cost of the US Afghan company, weapon, bases etc to the US GDP). After a few months he was heroically killed there and send back to home in a coffin with stars and stripes (add the price of the coffin, transportation and funeral to the US GDP). A gravedigger was paid for it and paid his taxes as well (add this money to the US GDP). This is how GDP is being calculated :) So in fact, all those cosmic military expenses make your GDP higher and make your people poorer - there are no free medicine and education in the USA and a regular American lives for loans and credits (for example I have never took any credit/load in a whole my life). So enjoy your GDP :)

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20408531)

How about a more comprehensive measure like HDI? Where does Russia lie compared to other countries? Clearly with all the "free" healthcare and "free" education Russia should be near the top?

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20408555)

Right simpleton. You're a real clown Boris. :1orglaugh