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L-Pink 03-21-2015 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 20424977)
true, although maintenance on large buildings is normal procedure, for them to have timed water, and a gardener to keep trimmed once a year, no big deal, & solar panels is easy to look after


Maintenance is normal procedure? Do you have any idea what a triple net lease is? And how most tenants are constantly in default? No google allowed, lol.

L-Pink 03-21-2015 10:20 PM

Again, a few plants and cheap solar panels on NEW commercial buildings won't do shit. Feel good legislation at it's best.

Paris (AFP) - French authorities will on Monday put in place emergency traffic-limiting measures in Paris, as the City of Light and much of northern France suffers from a choking smog.


Smog-choked Paris forces half of cars off roads - Yahoo News


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brassmonkey 03-21-2015 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20425028)
This sounds like a great idea.

Not sure about where you live, but here in Northern California solar is becoming more and more common. When I first moved here our HOA didn't allow it; Now everyone seems to have it.

so is it here. srp wants to raise the rates if you have solar! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh the government is full of shit! :2 cents::2 cents: i built my solar panels to sell power to srp

NatalieK 03-22-2015 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20425104)
Maintenance is normal procedure? Do you have any idea what a triple net lease is? And how most tenants are constantly in default? No google allowed, lol.

Depending on the type of building, freehold tenants usually would pay a community charge which would include the maintenance of the building & surrounding area. I suppose it would depend on the type of hold, whether people are renting, lease holding, freehold between our debate :2 cents:
I've owned a shop, this was lease hold & I was to look after the premises & garden, so I do understand what you are saying. Although, we have also rented homes, the maintenance is included in the rent as with owned homes & apartments :thumbsup

Sly 03-22-2015 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20425122)
Again, a few plants and cheap solar panels on NEW commercial buildings won't do shit. Feel good legislation at it's best.

Paris (AFP) - French authorities will on Monday put in place emergency traffic-limiting measures in Paris, as the City of Light and much of northern France suffers from a choking smog.


Smog-choked Paris forces half of cars off roads - Yahoo News


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That article is saying that most of the issues are caused by vehicles. These new demands would do nothing to address the issue of vehicles. Address the issue, not punish someone totally unrelated in a fat chance hope that it "might" do something.

I'm trying to find some information on why this is such an issue for Paris but not finding much. I'm wondering how their auto pollution regulations compared to the United States? Are they having issues because of a more dense population (more dense than New York and San Francisco? Seems hard to believe.)

L-Pink 03-22-2015 09:32 AM

More than 70% of registered autos in France are diesel. Assuming a large amount are Citroën, Peugeot or Renault's and you have your problem right there. Not lack of bushes on roofs of future yet to be built commercial properties.


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Barry-xlovecam 03-22-2015 09:59 AM

I was just in Paris last October and at that time it was no smoggier than any major city.

If your roof is covered with wet soil it will retain water. So, you need to have an epoxy coated rebar reinforced concrete roof that is poured in two slabs, each with a water retention membrane applied and the structural steel to support it -- that ain't cheap. The bearing weight load would be phenomenal for 100% coverage -- we are talking road bridge construction techniques.

Planter boxes over bearing walls would be a lot cheaper and feasible -- I don't know what the new regulations call for -- 10% coverage with green areas?

I built in this method; bearing wall planters on a steel beamed concrete deck, an architectural nightmare on a multi-million dollar waterfront house. I was a building contractor in my past life. You also have to design for earth retention and the necessary weep (drainage).

If you want to stop smog just have everyone walk or ride a horse :1orglaugh
Electric cars for short city commuting make sense and they don't produce smog. But retrofitting the "fleet" will take time and planning.

klinton 03-22-2015 10:56 AM

well, it will be still nice to have more green in the city, rght ?:winkwink:
so why not ?
about smog - the other reasons could be also some geographical conditions, like valleys, lack of wind etc.
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20425419)
More than 70% of registered autos in France are diesel. Assuming a large amount are Citroën, Peugeot or Renault's and you have your problem right there. Not lack of bushes on roofs of future yet to be built commercial properties.


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epitome 03-22-2015 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20425104)
Maintenance is normal procedure? Do you have any idea what a triple net lease is? And how most tenants are constantly in default? No google allowed, lol.

That is partly the landlords fault. Nobody will take care of your shit as good as you. Go full service, or modified gross on office space. I don't do industrial (I think you were into warehouses?), but I know there is something essentially the same as modified gross, maybe even called the same.

Reserve the NNN leases for the McDonalds, CVS' and Walgreens of the world. Where they'll be there for 20 or 30 years, have professional property managers and maintenance on staff, and are happy to assume that responsiblility so you can sit back and get your 7% CAP.

Just like Enterprise doesn't make the renters change the oil, landlords should not expect tenants to take care of their shit as well as them. They have no experience in property management and zero incentive to care about your shit. Doubly so if they're going to move on in five to seven.

SBJ 03-22-2015 08:27 PM

http://www.climatetechwiki.org/sites...aser_image.jpg

OK I'm down.. Just need to find a landscaper that isn't afraid of heights.

shoot twice 03-23-2015 04:23 AM

50 French Make Work Bureaucratic Bullshit Roof Top Legislative Programs

nico-t 03-23-2015 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20424947)
i dropped sum shells back in the day

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Slappin Fish 03-23-2015 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20424758)
I know right. So if you build a commercial warehouse/strip center you need to put how many plants on the roof of a 40,000 sq ft building? Along with some sort of elevator to bring up the pots, soil, fertilizer. You would need plants that grow well in 100% sunshine and an irrigation system using a large amount of water.

Would you also have state inspectors making sure all the plants aren't dead? Fining if they are? Is the building owner or tenants responsible for upkeep?

What the fuck is the purpose except to increase costs and employ more bureaucrats.

It's like laying a carpet :2 cents:

They sell it to you like a pre-grown carpet. It's not grass but a kind of rock garden plant, stuff never dies.survives with almost no water and grows on a sort of moss or a tiny bit of soil.

pornguy 03-23-2015 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shoot twice (Post 20424560)
The French smoke like chimneys. There's some really great regions in France but what most people think of when they think of France is Paris.

Sadly Paris is a ghetto.

Yup the entire city is just one big ghetto. It always has been and it will always will be. There's dog shit literally everywhere! The people are ignorant and they smoke so much that non-smokers have been known to have to cross the street to get away from the hoards nicotine addicts.

New Jersey's industrial zones are like the Garden of Eden compared to Paris

We did not get much time in Paris its self as our trip was to Disney for my son. But even there it was lines of smokers and we had to go around and or walk away.

Seems Spain has a similar problem with smokers.


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