Put on Dark Side Of The Moon and The Wizard Of Oz. Sync 'em up. Right around 18:36 it will all become crystal clear to you.

:rainfro :rasta:stoned

PS: Maybe The Bible was right when it said God had no beginning and no end....?

Although not directly related to the OPs topic of 'What is outside our universe' - but since the thread has digressed somewhat anyways:

I always liked Carl Sagan's mathematical ending in his novel 'Contact' - whereby the creator of the universe (not necessarily a 'god' - as Sagan was an agnostic) - left their signature (so to speak) within the digits of Pi - way downstream in base 11 math where the seemingly randomized Pi digits become 0's and 1's and eventually form another perfect circle when rastorized in a square algorithm.

I read the book years before the movie came out - and actually drew a diagram on the last blank page of the book to help myself visualize the concept of the ending.

I was always disappointed the novel's ending wasn't used in the movie.

/end digression :1orglaugh

i;ve got to read that fucking book now! :1orglaugh

here's the nutty part- i wasn't planning on mentioning this because of how nutty it would come across if i just threw it in this thread but the recent theory that suggests the universe may be forever/infinity got me contemplating it also suggests a creator. i can't explain the leap in thought but it would be absolutely mind blowing if math does ultimately reveal and prove a higher fucking power, a creator if you're open to that term.

and I am.

FUck, Sagan was a complete genius! we watched the original COsmos series several months ago after being completely let down with neil tyson degrasse's watered down silly remake of it.

i remember when it first aired! :1orglaugh yeah, sagan, he kicks ass man!

Definitely take the time to read it. Obviously it's fiction...but throughout the story you can see Sagan injecting fact-based ideas that could be plausible - if proven. I love some of the online discussions that the ending generated as to it being possible.

Without spoiling it - Sagan walked a tightrope between suggesting the universe was created by an unseen, omnipotent 'god'...or an advanced race of alien 'architects and builders'. He was a wise man - not wanting to piss off both the creationists and the evolutionists with his novel. :1orglaugh

I just see a lot of mismatched socks and pens out here.

Math doesn't explain the Universe... it (at most) describes the Universe... from a human perspective...

Math is a game.... in which the game exists to start with certain sequences of symbols (axioms) to generate, with the help of a set of rules called "inference rules", new sequences of symbols.
Within this system and set of rules one could "proof" this or that... But it's human... all too human to think that a system of subjectivity (yes... math is as subjective as anything else) could proof anything as being objective or "real" or "thruth"...

Language is a motherfucker... the fact that we have words/concepts like "truth", "infinity", "finity", etc... does that mean that these concepts are relevant or even according to "reality"? Or does it expose the character of human nature...

In my opinion "infinity" says more about human nature then it says about "infinity".... ooopssss
In my opinion "infinity" says more about human nature then it says about anything else...

Sounds a bit like Ancient Aliens.

drugs man, that is why nobody returned back from there

If there's nothing outside our universe then where is heaven?

yes, describe is a better choice of word than explain. not sure what other perspective than the human perspective we could have though.

Isn't that part of the dilemma? We can only understand in our own human perspective. We've created tools to help us describe and try to explain things but would any other being understand our concepts?

We take many things for granted as humans. We're taught that certain things are factual so we tend to accept them as true facts.

No, your crotch just smells like fish. There IS a difference.

Have you ever watched a video of a time lapse, of say, a plant growing from seed to sprout to full grown flower and then it wilts and dies?

Have you ever understood or comprehended that an insect or animal, such as a dog (we'll use dog) perceives it's 10-15 year lifespan as we do say 60-80? It's relative to what you are. At least that is the way I look at it.

Everything that is happening all around us, be it 14.5 billion years (to us) is happening in an instant on the grand scale of things. The entire universe is just BOOM. There it is, and it's gone. We are just lucky enough to experience it. God? Doubt it, but who the fuck am I to say? I can not answer that with any certainty. Nor can you.

We will never understand it. It is happening slow, to us. If there is something, someone or something higher looking in it? It was a sneeze. That quick. Over and done with. We are just caught in the middle.

i've never looked at it as a dilemma in this case. we have to start somewhere right? math is as precise a language as it gets and in many ways, universal. i bet if there were technologically advanced beings elsewhere in the Universe that they too speak the language of math.

but s4b makes good points, inifinity is simply a word for shit that we haven't figured out the math for, math = more human than human.

Assuming big bang--->>>ever-expanding-universe holds true, then...

Our universe as we know it is actually a snot-bubble growing from a giant's nose. A really big giant. In HIS universe time is infinitely slower. In about 10 trillion of our Earth years that snot bubble will burst, sending everything in our universe into a freefall down to the floor of the giant's hovel, a trip that will take another 19 trillion years (our time).

The giant dust mites and carpet beetles, microscopic to the giant but massive beyone measure to us, will feed on what remains of our pitiful 'universe'. The giant will then sneeze (next big-bang) causing another snot bubble to form, and universe II is born.


Hey, it's as plausible a theory as anything else posted in this thread.

You've been making some kickass posts lately.

I have my moments. :1orglaugh

@Harmon excellent comment. I also believe you can't currently prove or disprove any god. I'm not against the idea of god or gods. But, I'm more willing to believe god is a force rather than any kind of personification.

@Dyna I mostly agree. All humans can understand math regardless of their spoken language. I guess if advanced beings make it to earth they have to understand mathematics.

@CD You're right in that it could be anything imaginable or unimaginable to humans. Just because there is a popular school of thought on the subject doesn't make it the correct explanation. Even if the mathematical formulas are universally accurate, there are a lot of assumptions and estimates made. Much like in economics.

your comment reminded me of 2001, space oddity. this is one of the major themes of the movie for me, expanding on it, here's a blurb from kubrick's playboy interview on the film:

the book actually tells this part of the story much better even, it's a great read.

?We?re standing on the threshold of a completely new view of the Universe,? says Tara Shears, a particle physicist at the University of Liverpool, UK.

LHC 2.0: A new view of the Universe : Nature News & Comment

The Large Hadron Collider is back online, ready to shift from the “what” of reality to “why” | Is Nerd

and the JWST coming soon!
https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/pul...rtain-universe

it's all really exciting

It's beyond human comprehension yet we keep trying which is great. Einstein was of the opinion that man will never figure it all out, he was a humble genius.

String theory says there are 11 dimensions, I can't even really conceptualize what 4 dimensions are that Relativity explains.

why would you worship an inanimate object? might as well worship a microwave oven for providing dinner.

my favorite piece of writing ever written

'think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot'

'on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam'

So then you got those dirty panties you ordered? I guess the ziplock bag kept them fresh, and damp too.

Glad. I wore them extra long just like you wanted, and I didn't shower for 3 days.

Tell me, do you lick them while you're jerking off? Nevermind, don't tell me.

For Mericans; Atlantic Ocean. For others; vast space. I accept the boobs answer too, it came into my mind too. :)

Sometimes you are kind of smart.

jtfc, knock it off once in a while eh.

Math is no way hoosay some building block from what the universe is built from.

Math is a language. You can even explain universe by farting; for example using morse code or making up your own language; lets say farting in Klingon by using morse code (or plain words if you are as skilled as Currentlysober).

The microwave only heats things. The sun provides the energy required for my food to exist.

that was the point of my comment. using the better term, describes, i'll rephrase.

math is a language that describes the universe, the limits we have within math are what's holding us back from better describing the universe. limits such as infinity. using math as a language, as the physicist i quoted earlier so eloquently and humorously put it:

requoted because it's true and funny. !!1

infinity means a mathematical breakdown

So how math is holding us back? It is just one language. Try English instead or combined with math? Or my language, I have read that it is good for abstract thinking.

i can't phrase it any better than the director of the Princeton Center for Theoretical Science at Princeton University in Princeton, N.J. put it in the quote I used.

My question was beyond math. Let me rephrase myself; if math limits us, why not to use other languages instead or together with math?

For example all languages have loan words. Loan some, steal some, whatever it takes.

the Theory of Relativity is loaded with language other than math. this level and sort exploration and discovery is at the apex of human understanding. combining all the tools we have available to try and answer questions and such- technology, language, philosophy, biology, chemistry, anthropology, religion, it all comes together here.

that's what's truly fascinating about it, for me anway. well, that and the fact there is no right answer. so it's fun to ponder and discuss amongst folks who share the similar fascination and like to explore all the angles.

No right answer? Hell yes, there is. And this is the right answer regarding the right answer. :)

How much for a custom pair like that?

I wear 'em on my head with the crotch part over my nose and mouth area. :helpme

That way my face doesn't get burned when I'm out worshiping the sun. Why would my creator hurt me by burning my skin and giving me cancer?

you're quoting Zack from BBT with his comment about Science as a study to dispute that there are no right answers right now describing beyond the Universe? you know this topic is about what's outside our Universe right? And you are using some of my quotes that went directly to the big problem- there's no understanding of pre-singularity/BB.

so no, there are no right answers. as far as i'm concerned, Markul and CD smith can be spot on. if there are parallel Universes, then it stands to reason there is a limitless # of them, consequently, we can reason that there's one made out of giant tiddies and another one that's a big booger. and i know for a fact there's one in makegrrrrowl's dirty panties.

Yes, I am referring to that right answer thing. And whether we have understanding about universe or not, there is right answer(s) regarding it.

i see, so what's the right answer? I'm open, fill me in!

ohhh pretty Social IQ score of bacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe our universe exists inside a petri dish in our creator's laboratory.