I don't think so. I think the motherfucker just wanted to kill himself along with 149 passengers and crew members. Who said that terrorists must always be radical Muslims?

the second blackbox have informations about fuel and so, so we will hear soon ... btw, anyone surprised, that the blackbox is orange and not black in real? :2 cents: :)

Nope. The Saudi guys behind 9/11 did not take a responsibility for that. Survived Boston terrorist has denied everything as well. There are many more examples of terrorist acts nobody has took any responsibility for :2 cents:

Hmm.. Is it a news for you? What's about Black Friday then? :upsidedow

hehe yeah :) i dont want those aircrash documentaries in tv :winkwink: and black friday dont have any color at all :winkwink:

I heard that another blackbox is damaged and it's impossible to read out the information from it.

The average American :2 cents:

thats surprising since it has not been found yet...

pretty shocking that it was deliberate. no one is safe...anywhere.

How the fuck they know all this ?

Can you imagine the horror for the passengers.

They were all aware of what was happening as they could hear the pilot trying to beat the door down....

according to the voice recorder, the screaming started just seconds before the crash

if they knew for the whole 8 minutes, i would think someone would have tried to use his cellphone (on the other hand: in that area and height probably no network)

It is not easier for the coward. In that case he would need to "face" the other pilot while kicking him etc, that pilot may be his friend so punching is not that fine for him. Easier just to ignore him locking him out. You know when people try to ignore someone instead of facing him, it is just easier for them.

Could be be a spontaneous action from the copilot. Like, he didn't think about this prior to takeoff, but when the commander left the cabin, copilot though - "hell, why not? Life is boring, it's a chance to get my 10 minutes of glory". In other words. he did it for the lulz.

that is strange, because if you go down that fast, you must feel it, at least in your ears ... :2 cents:

Really i don't know exactly, may be it's just media provided misleading info but I read yesterday that one of blackboxes was damaged and there was no possibility to read out info. Well, I hope it's wrong statement

it was at normal rate, not faster than usual

oh, ok then ... :Oh crap

exactly what I said :Oh crap

voice recorder was found and data was recovered

flight data recorder was not found yet

Yeah, thanks

But wouldn't you worry if you are "landing" in the middle of the trip?
Unless cabin crew calmed them down and said that they are landing for some pit stop.

i don't know how often you fly - i do maybe 6-10 times a year

but when you do, do you sit in your seat and analyze the planes behaviour and once you consider it outside the norm (whatever you think it is) you call the stewardess and ask her to ask the pilot if he knows what he's doing?

and would you expect any other answer from the stewardess than "it's all fine, sir, don't worry"?

and how good are you at calculating the correct flight level from looking out of the window?

especially when you cross mountains?

seriously...

How could one German be so evil and want to murder so many innocent people.... oh wait

If it's pilot suicide/murder, it will be the 3rd or 4th time this has happened now.

This isn't going to help trust between pilots..

2 people in the cockpit at ALL times needs to be compulsory.

Just going for a piss - hold on while I get a steward in case you go psycho..

Are you serious?
You just said that plane was landing at the usual trajectory etc.
If I notice that a plane is landing in the middle of the flight - of course I would ask wtf is up, so would all the other passengers would do.

i can only assume you never fly

I do. About 30 times in my lifetime. You never start "landing" that much for 8-10 minutes in the middle of the flight. Never.

I'd also suggest a 3rd person in the cabin, a security officer to watch over the pilots.

I wonder if there are gonna be many copycats after this crash.

which is totally not the point here.

the point is that people sit in a plane, hardly notice the descent when it's at normal rate and even when someone starts wondering, it won't be until 1-2 mins before the crash (planes btw descent and climb all the time to change flight levels).

and at that time still not in panic because you can't even tell how high you are when you fly over mountains

but of course if all passengers were an expert like you are..

I hope this is the kick in the ass that the government needs to mandate modern flight recorder capabilities. You can fit a camera in a shirt button or glasses frames these days so flight data recorders need to include video. In the cockpit and outside of the cockpit door at a minimum. It doesn't have to be 4k living color with 3d audio, just piece of shit run of the mill 240p cctv video that compresses well. You can fit a flights word of that on magnetic media no problem. In fact, why not stream it 100% along with the transponder blip? Yes I'm aware of how much air traffic there is. It's BS that they have to now sit there with headphones with their eyes closed like WW2 code breakers while they pick out individual voices when video would instantly reveal so much at a glance.

Dude, plane was losing altitude at the speed of highest to ground in 8 minutes. That is the speed which you feel as a passenger.
So you feel the non stopping descent for the whole 8 minutes!
Change of altitude happens, as you say, but it does not happen at this rate. Neither in speed of descent, nor in time of how long it continues at once...
People would start getting cold sweat and increased heart beat after just 1 minute of non stop descent like that!
In 2nd minute they would start shitting their pants!
So the only thing to calm them down would be for cabbin crew to "explain" something.

What you seem to be missing here is that when you fly the plane changes altitudes multiple times during your flight, and no one notices a thing. When the plane changes altitude to avoid turbulence, no one runs into the cockpit and says "What the fuck is going on". Generally speaking no one notices such changes, and if they do they assume it is routine.

I flew for two hours yesterday and didn't look out the window once. I was busy watching a movie.

I think the aviation industry needs to make some changes.

A few changes that are obvious....
- Real time transmission of flight data. My cell phone has GPS on it so this can't be too difficul.
- Three people in each cockpit, or at least a minimum of two people.
- Cameras in the cockpit.

Easy.

I already said: altitude drop from highest point to the ground in 8 minutes is the drop that you feel, as a passenger.
And yes, I feel when a plane is lowering in order to avoid turbulence or stuff like that. It continues for a short time, 10 seconds, 20 seconds whatever. That is routine. 1-2 minutes of non stop lowering and people would be shitting their pants. Let alone 8 minutes...

:1orglaugh

the plane descends 32,000 feet in ~ 8 minutes and no one on the plane notices?

please.

read it up - 4000 fpm descent are not common but also not unusual (slam dunk approach)

and:
you're making assumptions about something you don't know anything about

another pilot

32,000 feet in 8 minutes are 4,000 fpm - slightly more than usual

it was unusual enough to be noticed by ATC.