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pimpmaster9000 03-30-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20433359)
The stupid florida junkie don't understand that Serfdom is not slavery (it's a typical feudalism). You can kill a slave, but you can't kill a serf. Also it has nothing to do with racism when white people enslave black people (slavery) and hunt the red-skinned ones (genocide).

psssst dont mention this it will make russia look progressive compared to the USA

Truck system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and

Scrip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

shiiiit theres even a famous song about it LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VMZqgVzRo

this is how the progressive progressive USA does it :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 03-30-2015 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20433547)
I know that indians made some grass fires to have more buffalos around, and things like that, but you have some source for that forest thing? Excluding the great plains there was anyways much forests. Also, forest fires don't usually kill the forests to begin with.

And how this differs from USA folks and the settlers before them plowing the whole shit? At least there was some grasslands before them.


Native American use of fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Also, not that my country wouldn't have history of burning forest, but it doesn't exactly mean burning the whole shit down, due to some "evil purposes".

Slash-and-burn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i mis-stated. the indians burning the AMerica's forests created global-warming at that time. when the plague wiped out most all of them, the forest fires stopped quickly, leading to the mini-ice age

Stalagmite reveals carbon footprint of early Native Americans -- ScienceDaily

Did Native Americans contribute to global warming?

dyna mo 03-30-2015 10:33 AM

Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World

just a punk 03-30-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20433363)
And the thing why serfdom comes up relating to Russia, is that in Russia serfdom lasted so much longer than in the rest of the Europe.

In fact, not really much at all. As Wikipedia says: Feudalism itself decayed and effectively disappeared in most of Western Europe by about 1500. It lingered on in parts of Central and Eastern Europe as late as the 1850s. Russia finally abolished serfdom in 1861.

However, even when the original feudal relationships had disappeared, there were many institutional remnants of feudalism left in place. Historian Georges Lefebvre explains how at an early stage of the French Revolution, on just one night of 4 August 1789 France abolished the long-lasting remnants of the feudal order. It announced, "The National Assembly abolishes the feudal system entirely."

Without debate the Assembly enthusiastically adopted equality of taxation and redemption of all manorial rights except for those involving personal servitude — which were to be abolished without indemnification. Other proposals followed with the same success: the equality of legal punishment, admission of all to public office, abolition of venality in office, conversion of the tithe into payments subject to redemption, freedom of worship, prohibition of plural holding of benefices.... Privileges of provinces and towns were offered as a last sacrifice.

Originally the peasants were supposed to pay for the release of seigneurial dues; these dues affected more than a fourth of the farmland in France and provided most of the income of the large landowners. The majority refused to pay and in 1793 the obligation was cancelled. Thus the peasants got their land free, and also no longer paid the tithe to the church.

P.S. The florida clown confuses slavery with feudalism - a typical victim of the US education system.

aka123 03-30-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20433623)
i mis-stated. the indians burning the AMerica's forests created global-warming at that time. when the plague wiped out most all of them, the forest fires stopped quickly, leading to the mini-ice age

Stalagmite reveals carbon footprint of early Native Americans -- ScienceDaily

Did Native Americans contribute to global warming?

Yes, you misstated something, at least that 90 % part, or at least the subject for that number. And the Little Ice age thing might be true, but not that hard fact yet (the indian/ settler contribution).

"Nevle et al then got out their calculators and crunched the numbers. They estimate that for a population of some 40 to 80 million indigenous people, the total amount of deforested land would likely have amounted to something the size of California. And since most estimates suggest that close to 90 percent of the native peoples died or were killed after the Europeans arrived, that meant most of that land returned to forest."

Read more at: Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World


Or the picture about indians as some evil forest destroyers.

"This evidence suggests that Native Americans significantly altered the local ecosystem by clearing and burning forests, probably to make fields and enhance the growth of nut trees, Springer said. This picture conflicts with the popular notion that early Native Americans had little impact on North American landscapes. They were better land stewards than the European colonialists who followed, he said, but they apparently cleared more land and burned more forest than previously thought."

Read more at: Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World

dyna mo 03-30-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20433655)
Yes, you misstated something, at least that 90 % part, or at least the subject for that number. And the Little Ice age might be true, but not that hard fact yet.

"Nevle et al then got out their calculators and crunched the numbers. They estimate that for a population of some 40 to 80 million indigenous people, the total amount of deforested land would likely have amounted to something the size of California. And since most estimates suggest that close to 90 percent of the native peoples died or were killed after the Europeans arrived, that meant most of that land returned to forest.

Read more at: Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World


Or the picture about indians as some evil forest destroyers.

This evidence suggests that Native Americans significantly altered the local ecosystem by clearing and burning forests, probably to make fields and enhance the growth of nut trees, Springer said. This picture conflicts with the popular notion that early Native Americans had little impact on North American landscapes. They were better land stewards than the European colonialists who followed, he said, but they apparently cleared more land and burned more forest than previously thought."

Read more at: Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World


what the fuck? you just repeated what i posted so you could claim i misspoke when i already stated i misspoke. ok, just like i fukcing already stated, gfy isn't the place to learn or teach.

regardless of my % being off, the fucking simple fact is i am and was right- the fucking indians burned down a shit ton of forest, leading to global warming. when they all got sick and died, before USA was fucking USA, the rapid reforestation created a mini-ice age.

again, those were my original points and they are just as fucking valid now as they were before you tried to gotcha.

nevertheless, you just learned a few things, you're fucking welcome.

aka123 03-30-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20433648)
In fact, not really much at all. As Wikipedia says: Feudalism itself decayed and effectively disappeared in most of Western Europe by about 1500. It lingered on in parts of Central and Eastern Europe as late as the 1850s. Russia finally abolished serfdom in 1861.

Russia is not Eastern Europe? And the feudalism is not synonym for serfdom, although latter relate to first one.

aka123 03-30-2015 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20433664)
what the fuck? you just repeated what i posted so you could claim i misspoke when i already stated i misspoke. ok, just like i fukcing already stated, gfy isn't the place to learn or teach.

regardless of my % being off, the fucking simple fact is i am and was right- the fucking indians burned down a shit ton of forest, leading to global warming. when they all got sick and died, before USA was fucking USA, the rapid reforestation created a mini-ice age.

again, those were my original points and they are just as fucking valid now as they were before you tried to gotcha.

nevertheless, you just learned a few things, you're fucking welcome.

You talked about 90 % deforestation and indians not giving a shit worth about the Americas. Neither one wasn't exactly true. You are just trying to make indians look bad to make the actions of settlers more right.

dyna mo 03-30-2015 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20433669)
You talked about 90 % deforestation and indians not giving a shit worth about the Americas. Neither one wasn't exactly true. You are just blackmailing indiands to make the actions of settler more right.

again, huh? the settlers did not intentionally give the indians the fucking plague and replant a bunch of trees to bring the all the forests back.

look, i don't first go googling shit when i post. I post about shit i know about and am interested in. the point i was making was in fact true, even though i misstated the specific % .

you also don't know what the term blackmail means. not to mention your falling into the classic trap of history- looking back with 20-20 vision/judging events from the past skewed by a view of the present.

aka123 03-30-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20433676)
again, huh? the settlers did not intentionally give the indians the fucking plague and replant a bunch of trees to bring the all the forests back.

look, i don't first go googling shit when i post. I post about shit i know about and am interested in. the point i was making was in fact true, even though i misstated the specific % .

you also don't know what the term blackmail means. not to mention your falling into the classic trap of history- looking back with 20-20 vision/judging events from the past skewed by a view of the present.

I alredy replaced the blackmailing part. I made error due to similar term in my own language that means what I tried to say. It is not that easy to have conversation with foreign language.

You should google what you post if you are unsure; I usually check at least after, as I did with that blackmailing, as I was unsure about it. How the fuck I am going to learn otherwise.

And what is the looking back history trap I have made? Don't confuse me with your arguments with CyberSEO. If I talk about present time, I will say it and vice versa.

dyna mo 03-30-2015 11:17 AM

i wasn't unsure, i was spot on. the indians didn't give a shit about the land. they burned down so much of it, the event is called deforestation, and that level of deforestation was so bad it lead to global warming up until most all the indians died from plague(s), which allowed the trees to grow back, creating a mini-ice age. all of which occurred before the USA.

again, my original point.

aka123 03-30-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20433697)
i wasn't unsure, i was spot on. the indians didn't give a shit about the land. they burned down so much of it, the event is called deforestation, and that level of deforestation was so bad it lead to global warming up until most all the indians died from plague(s), which allowed the trees to grow back, creating a mini-ice age. all of which occurred before the USA.

again, my original point.

Creating more diverse environment by burning forest and grasslands equals not giving a shit? So in where do the settlers stand in here? Plowing the whole shit and eventually creating the famous dustbowl. The plowed land is very poor for wildlife. At least the indiands were better for the nature around there.

dyna mo 03-30-2015 11:26 AM

stated for the 3rd time, gfy isn't a place where people learn shit.

:1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 03-30-2015 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20433359)
The stupid florida junkie don't understand that Serfdom is not slavery (it's a typical feudalism). You can kill a slave, but you can't kill a serf. Also it has nothing to do with racism when white people enslave black people (slavery) and hunt the red-skinned ones (genocide).

http://esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/07/...ns1-gtp0as.png

Yes my dear third world dumb fuck. Its not slavery its slavery light. Like when you required to serve in the military for 20 years or work on your owners farm to pay off the tax you owed them. And most importantly because its in Russia - the greatest shithole of them all :1orglaugh
Please tell us about racism and all derogatory names you use for people from Caucasus mountains and treatment they get.

Horatio Caine 03-30-2015 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20433648)
In fact, not really much at all. As Wikipedia says: Feudalism itself decayed and effectively disappeared in most of Western Europe by about 1500. It lingered on in parts of Central and Eastern Europe as late as the 1850s. Russia finally abolished serfdom in 1861.

However, even when the original feudal relationships had disappeared, there were many institutional remnants of feudalism left in place. Historian Georges Lefebvre explains how at an early stage of the French Revolution, on just one night of 4 August 1789 France abolished the long-lasting remnants of the feudal order. It announced, "The National Assembly abolishes the feudal system entirely."

Without debate the Assembly enthusiastically adopted equality of taxation and redemption of all manorial rights except for those involving personal servitude ? which were to be abolished without indemnification. Other proposals followed with the same success: the equality of legal punishment, admission of all to public office, abolition of venality in office, conversion of the tithe into payments subject to redemption, freedom of worship, prohibition of plural holding of benefices.... Privileges of provinces and towns were offered as a last sacrifice.

Originally the peasants were supposed to pay for the release of seigneurial dues; these dues affected more than a fourth of the farmland in France and provided most of the income of the large landowners. The majority refused to pay and in 1793 the obligation was cancelled. Thus the peasants got their land free, and also no longer paid the tithe to the church.

P.S. The florida clown confuses slavery with feudalism - a typical victim of the US education system.

Oh the great russian education at Siberian Rughanging State University teaches us few things about American slavery and how slaves built an entire country :1orglaugh All them steel workers, pilgrim farmers all were black. is there any bigger idiot on this forum or what? here's some reading for you dumb fuck. 5% of US population ever owned a slave and called themselves "slave owners".

Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms

just a punk 03-30-2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20433797)
Please tell us about racism and all derogatory names you use for people from Caucasus mountains and treatment they get.

"derogatory names for people from Caucasus?" WTF? Are you drunk again, son?

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20433807)
Oh the great russian education at Siberian Rughanging State University

I don't think you will pass an examination in Russian State University. ПТУ is the theoretical maximum a stupid clown like you can afford here. So just forget it. Not even in your dreams.

Horatio Caine 03-30-2015 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20433889)
"derogatory names for people from Caucasus?" WTF? Are you drunk again, son?



I don't think you will pass an examination in Russian State University. ПТУ is the theoretical maximum a stupid clown like you can afford here. So just forget it. Not even in your dreams.

The nick names you use to describe their skin color or intellect, fuckface.
Stupid is your middle name. or per russian tradition your father's name.

Talk:List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity/old - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who the fuck wants to pass anything in your shitty state universities which look like cattle barn? especially if they take in idiots and clowns like the one you see in the mirror. Id rather go to all black community college than some russian rug paining institute of technology.

ilnjscb 03-30-2015 04:58 PM

He is correct though that Russians have classically been the enslaved ones rather than the enslavers

3. Mongol Occupation and the Slav Slave Trade: The "Harvesting of the Steppe" <- but one of numerous examples

That is, until the 1900s - then they got everyone back for everything, ever, and 50 million people dead and labor camped later, everyone hopes we can all calm down a little.

Horatio Caine 03-30-2015 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 20434062)
He is correct though that Russians have classically been the enslaved ones rather than the enslavers

3. Mongol Occupation and the Slav Slave Trade: The "Harvesting of the Steppe" <- but one of numerous examples

That is, until the 1900s - then they got everyone back for everything, ever, and 50 million people dead and labor camped later, everyone hopes we can all calm down a little.

Peter the great abolished slavery by giving slaves new title :1orglaugh
Concept remained the same. Some regions down south still practice tribal slavery traditions

Slavery in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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