No I'm not. I've stated the cop was wrong and it's a bad shooting. I've stated I am not on the side of the police.

Go ahead and answer. You won't because you would do the same as I would do. Go peacefully and avoid the violent route.


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You can stop right there

You've deflected enough so fuck off.....

for tonight at least.


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Deflected? You're the one that won't answer a simple question.


Blackmonster, if you were giving advise to a room full of people would you tell them A or B?

You have just been stopped by the police, there is an outstanding warrant for your arrest should you ....

A) peacefully be arrested and go to court

B) resist arrest, fight the cop, try to flee

Honestly, if I'm advising a friend then it totally depends on the charge and neighborhood.

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[QUOTE=L-Pink;20442017]Bad shooting. Shouldn't have happened.

But that being said it's another example of someone NOT following orders once stopped. Why is it all these shootings happen after someone resists arrest? Just give up when you get caught.[/QUOTE

so lethal force is to be used for a fleeing subject? take the cop dick outta your mouth about resisting arrest.

No one said lethal force is to be used. L-pink makes perfectly valid points. Provoke the cops and you don't know if it's one of the trigger happy psycho cops who will shoot and then plant evidence. Next time you get pulled, try running and take the gamble.

god I hope the police in my 3rd world shit hole do not degrade to american standards...

Dude should have pulled out.

cop is stupid.... the corner will say WTF shot in the back from 30 ft away? seriously that is one dumb fucking cop :2 cents:

My girl has been brought up on charges and had to go before an IA panel for speaking up when she "shouldn't have". She now just goes in, does her job and goes home.

In fascist dictatorships, Franco's Spain, gestapo, etc... a favourite method of execution was the so called "escape law" meaning the police was considered justified in shooting someone in the back if he was escaping, so it became a convenient way to get rid of undesirables, who were told to walk ahead of the police and "oops, they were escaping, I had to shoot him".

Do you tell abused women its their fault for talking back to their man? Fucking dumbasses.

Talking back to abuser and wrestling then running away from cops because you have warrants. Great comparison you dumb fuck.

STFU racist prick.

this.

and the cameraphone pedestrian guy (who talks very much like a black american) has hugeHUGE balls to be in visual range and capture all that while walking. he had to have been seen looks to be about 50-70 yards from the scene but I assume he blended in well with the locale. had he stopped to get a steady shot with the camera it would have been obvious that he was taking pics/video

In my country you DO NOT run from cops.
America is all kinds of shitty with all the retarded freedoms of all kinds where a fucking mugger can sue you if you use "excessive force" to defend yourself. Fucking retarded.

Also, what is expected from an american cop in such situations? To chase the guy and tackle him down, potentially risking getting beaten up and/or stabbed?

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I'd say that it's brought on by gung-ho conditioning. Or maybe just the thought process that he is right, the other person is wrong, and whatever he says goes - complete unawareness of over-reactions. I used to do it all the time myself until about 3 years ago, had no idea I was doing it, and of course it was completely, and at the time genuinely, justified in my mind.

He shouldn't have ran (haven't watched the video, got no desire to see a human die), but if you follow it through, what's the worst that happens? The guy gets away. All the 'he *might* have been a mass murderer, he *might* have been a serial rapist, he *might* have been a high level criminal - all that doesn't matter a fuck, because you have to act on what you *do* know, not on what-ifs.

^ that tangent aside, it becomes more about ego, and not wanting to lose face, or 'lose' the encounter, eg I remember my dawning moment when I was arguing with my 16 year old daughter who got home 10 minutes late for about the 100th time in a row - I realised it wasn't about being 10 minutes late, but about me wanting her to do exactly what I said, and I asked myself if I'd react the same way if say a buddy of mine was 10 minutes late every single time he came to pick me up. The answer was no, because (I realised however long later, when I had time to reflect) the dynamic of me/my friend isn't that I'm 'in charge' of him, whereas I thought I was 'in charge' of my daughter (obviously I am to a degree, but that's semantics).

Ok a different scenario, and fleeing from a copper isn't the same as a kid coming home 10 minutes late, but my point is there's a side of the ego that is so ingrained and immediate, that the dynamic of being 'in charge' therefore you MUST do what I say overrides the logic that not everyone is going to, and that isn't a reason to take things to extremes.

Unfortunately, it's my belief that to be a copper in the first place, you have to be a certain type of person... it's a bit catch-22, you need to have all the shitty human qualities (arroggance, narcissism, egoism, white knight syndrome) to want to be a copper in the first place, to then carry out the stuff that your good qualities (sense of justice... I've run out maybe someone can help me out here lol) aspire to.

I fucking despise coppers, but I'm not so dumb as to not realise I'm biased, cynical, and have a tendency to lump them all in the shitcunt category, when of course there are plenty of decent ones around (probably), and I've tried to be logical rather than emotional in this post, so take it for the opinion it is :)

nice post :thumbsup

In my younger days (20+ years ago while a very different person) I was an out and out criminal, and while I never had to worry about being shot, if it was obvious I was caught, I used to 'come quietly' as they say :upsidedow

All I'll add is, I was only ever an asshole upon arrest if they were - it's like a game of sorts... I do my shit, they try to stop me - or at least catch me after the fact. I don't need to be an asshole because I got caught, that's just being a prick. If they turn out to be an asshole when they've actually won their fucking part of the game lol, then they'll get it back (fruitless as it is, that's just *my* ego kicking in).

Not only are most cops bad losers, they are also those fucking godawful gloating-type winners... in my experience that was 90% of them, of course you had the few who understood it wasn't personal and where there was a kind of mutual respect of the other one's 'job' :2 cents:

What is expected if the guy gets away?

Maybe he'll pay child support before they come to arrest him again?

So the cop needed to kill him to make sure he paid child support?

He won't be supporting any children now.

What 3rd world shit hole is that?

Fuck you. Your reading comprehension isn't any better than the white balance in your photos. I didn't take the cops side I commented on how stupid it is to resist arrest. Idiot.

[QUOTE=L-Pink;20442488]barefootsies hack your account?? talking to yourself :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

haha no shit. I never understood that logic of throwing them in jail for not paying support, although maybe they only do that as a last resort.

Around here I think they eventually take your driver's license away if you don't pay your child support. That will sure help your chances of earning more income to get those payments up to date!

[QUOTE=L-Pink;20442488]Yep, and doing so in this thread is nothing other than a defense of the cop.

[QUOTE=blackmonsters;20442495]Giving advise that to stay alive you shouldn't resist arrest is defending a cop? Telling someone that to prevent over reaction by police you should avoid resisting arrest is NOT condoning police violence it's common sense.

In almost every one of the shootings we argue about the guy getting shot would be alive today if he surrendered peacefully after being apprehended.

How the fuck is that bad advise?

if he WAS gonna pay child support and if he got no additional shit on him - he would've PROUDLY gone to court

A splendid shit hole where you're less likely to get mugged or shit than anywhere in usa

Fucking exactly.

[QUOTE=L-Pink;20442503]Right advise; but wrong place because you can take the thin blue line of cock out of your mouth.

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And in what first world country is resisting arrest and fleeing the police legal?

It's situational awareness, you're caught, go peacefully, don't give the cops a chance to shoot you or add more charges, live another day .....


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Yeah, facts don't matter.
It's been reported that he had no additional shit so just make some theoretical additional shit up to appease yourself.

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[QUOTE=blackmonsters;20442518]So by giving advise on how to stay alive I'm a cop lover? That's your line of thinking is it?

[QUOTE=L-Pink;20442503]It's not, but it's kinda separate. It's like saying don't answer your husband if he's drunk and he won't flip out and beat the shit out of you. Completely factual, but diverting blame, even if it's 1%, away from where the blame needs to 100% go :2 cents:

It's human nature for some to run, it's human nature for some wives to answer back in the heat of the moment, it's human nature that I talk back and act like an asshole to someone who is an asshole to me, even if I know I'm gonna get the shit kicked out of me, but there's just zero way it's acceptable to shoot someone for running from the law, just like it's wholly wrong to stab a child for smart mouthing. It's dumb of a kid to smart-mouth a parent with a history of stabbing them, but much like these people who run because they have outstanding child support payments, that kind of over-reaction completely cancels out the first action, because they are literally too stupid, and don't have the mental capacity to understand there's gonna be a bad outcome. As much as I like to joke around, or reference darwin's award, or whatever, you just can't kill someone for being of a dumb IQ. I think that's what the others are saying (well obviously), but they aren't getting where you're coming from, dareisay because it's kinda irrelevant *within this set of circumstances*. He shouldn't have got behind on his payments, or had a busted taillight - which he most likely knew about, but like you said earlier - knowingly broke that law because he'd gamble on taking the consequence, same as he gambled on running and taking that consequence. You spoke earlier of how you know you break some laws - what if one day you hit the news because a psycho cop kills you, and a bunch of people on the internet said 'yeah but he didn't have his seatbelt on, he *knew* that was wrong, if he hadn't done that, he'd be alive today'. They'd be stating fact, but it wouldn't really be relevant in a thread somewhere about a berserk cop over-reacting :2 cents:

You're looking at the dead guys actions from the point of reference that has *your* intelligence, not his, is what I'm guessing people are getting upset about.

^ or crockett posting about how if the victims of that guy with the revenge porn site hadn't posed for nude pics etc the end result wouldn't have happened. It's factual, but shifting even a tiny portion away from the actual issue

Ok, but you quoted the wrong guy.

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