I always do what a cop wants me to do because I know I'm not winning any arguments. However I've never been held at gun point nor even told to spread eagle. The worst I've dealt with was having a car searched which was not justifiable.

Now you mention stress/violence.. What do you think goes on in the head of these kind of people whom do end up in that situation? Yes we can agree the guy was a criminal, but many people have lots of run ins with the cops with out being a criminal.

If you live in a bad area, you can bet your ass you will likely get pulled over or questioned by cops much more than someone in a nice area. Now you compound that over a life time and then you see this kind of stuff or know people whom have been beaten by cops, ect..ect..

Well then don't you think that these people are also under stress when dealing with cops? Meaning they might be more willing to resist if they have seen the other side of dealing with cops which perhaps you or I haven't?

I agree don't resist but hell this guy didn't resist and they all lined up to each take their shots beating the guy.

I know nothing about that instance. Sounds like some goober shouldn't have had a job where you get issued a gun.

No matter how many times you say stupid shit and attribute it to me; it will still be your stupid shit that you said.

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Well you could say he resisted when he ran from the police at his home then stole a horse and took off. Granted his beating was unjustified, very unjustified but it does make my point to be peaceful. If he hadn't run at his house what are the real odds something violent would have happened. But I get your points.

I'm not being a police advocate, I'm just giving common sense self preservation tips, lol.

A cop's job is to police and protect.. Not to be the jury & executioner. If the guy runs, then you chase him. Yes, I can understand the heat of the moment using a lil extra force to throw the perp on the ground or bang him against the car..

It's completely different to keep beating on someone when they are on the ground and clearly not a threat. It's one thousand times worse to allow fellow officers to come up one by one and continue to beat the guy until they all get their shots in.

Everyone of these cops needs to be handcuffed and beat to shit. This is not their first time doing this and if they do this, then you know damn well they are also arresting people on trumped up charges and generally ruining people's lives. That video shows you very corrupt police department.

Everyone in that department should be fired on the spot because it's very clear this is a normal thing and not one of them would rat the others out even if they don't partake, making them just as responsible and guilty.

No one is going to just walk up and start kicking a guy that has already been on the ground 5 mins unless this is common practice and they knew no one was going to say anything. That entire police department should be fired and those whom took part in this should all be charged with felony assault. Remove their right to carry and gun and get a job as a cop elsewhere.

It is nice having white criminals so we can talk without you calling me a racist for my same opinions.

No matter how many times you say stupid shit and attribute it to me; it will still be your stupid shit that you said.

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I thought he was casino Indian or somffins. This guy just looks dumb. Not Indian dumb.

Is that height correct? Over 7' ... Hard to be a 7 plus foot tall criminal and not get noticed.

Well lets see. Brass was gang banging at 9, stealing cars at 13, pimpin at 16. He had 200 beehives to provide food for his grandchildren. So yes, I think 7' is about right for his story.

Yup sure is, his head is 3' from chin to forehead :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

No shit, that is exactly what I was thinking. Even the latecomers didn't think to point out the fucking news choppers above.

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Police is supposed to enforce the law, and preferably be the good guy. You just try to justify unlegal actions due to someone elses unlegal actions. So what if people (any people) do crimes, is that what you mean? Or it is OK if police do crimes, as it is the police (maybe supposed to do crimes in US)?

They probably thought it being their own copter, as the other one probably was, and as Crockett pointed out; the whole police department is probably so rotten that no one cares a shit worth about law or justice altogether (or they have their own sense about justice).

They were likely police choppers and someone leaked the tape. Cops use choppers for this kind of thing as a very common tactic. It's just probably the one non asshole cop decided to leak the video to the news. If it were a news chopper, there would be some butt head reporter talking the whole time..

This is how you know that entire department is corrupt, because they probably assumed the tape would get erased.

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Did you watch the video?

The very first thing that you hear is "News Chopper 4" with a giant News 4 watermark in the corner of the video. She talked all the way through it until the beating started.

This is something I can agree with. The cops are supposed to be "better" than the criminals. I guess however they have probably always been corrupt assholes look at Serpico.

Ahh you're right my sound was muted on youtube the 1st time I watched it. I was thinking maybe the water mark was just added in after the fact. I wonder why the reporter stopped talking when they started beating him..

i would think the whole US police system has major flaws

like too much ex-military - people that are used to shoot at anything

and then police training - i read it takes usually about 12 weeks - over here it's 2-3 years

and when you look at a typical police training, you see where the main focus lies on:

Firearms skills 60 hrs
Self-defense 44 hrs

But:
Ethics and integrity 8 hrs
Cultural diversity 8 hrs
Human relations 11 hrs
Use of non-lethal weapons 12 hrs
Stress prevention/management 6 hrs

Police recruit training and academy summary - Discover Policing

and the result you see in the video

There's no reason for them to fear for their life...
Some people might shoot the Sheriff, but no one shoots the deputies. :pimp

After all the discussion of police violence, resisting arrest blah blah blah. I have come to the conclusion that if you do anything that might involve making a pig possibly sweat during an arrest you will be be beaten or shot.

Thank you! Yes. Why? Fear? Retribution? An "understanding"? Why? Feds should look into several issues with this disgusting piece of footage.

But hey, if all of their fathers had only cum into a tissue, none of this would have happened. Right? Yeah, right. It was totally avoidable. If only...

This kid has been in jail since January for 'assaulting police'.

Who assaulted who?

The cops illegally deleted the recording on the girls phone after the incident but she was able to retrieve it in her recently deleted files.

Point out where I justify police actions.

In fact you'll find the opposite.

Sheriff Orders Immediate Internal Investigation Into Arrest Seen on "Disturbing" Video | NBC Southern California

He deserved it !!!!

2 deputies ended up '' dehydrated '' and one got kick by a horse ..

That justifies it all :2 cents:

Criminal law 40 hours. Basically one week worth of studies, not that much. In school we had that much just in introduction course to laws (Finnish laws).

You see, the horse knew better :

Horse didn`t run, didn`t resist, did not talk back :thumbsup

It doesn't look like that. I replied to your particular message, so your question is self-explanatory.

This is fucking sickening

And of course these cops were acquitted




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How is saying not resisting is justifying police behavior. I'm saying not to resist BECAUSE of police behavior. The cops came to this guys house to investigate an identify theft case. He flees in a car, car chase, abandons the car steals a horse then flees again ...... Do you really think the cops would have beaten him if he was peaceful at his house in the beginning?

Nothing good will ever happen if a suspect escalates the situation. Ever. This shouldn't even be an argument. This isn't condoning police behavior it's a way to protect yourself when facing the police.

I'm a long haired guy riding a black Harley with straight pipes in Florida, Georgia and Kentucky. I fit the Meth/pain pill/biker profile perfectly. I get pulled over 1-3 times a year, sometimes patted down, sometimes saddlebags searched, sometimes drunk tested.

Every time I could escalate the situation to a shitty ending. No matter how much of an ass the cop is I'm pleasant, respectful, have correct paperwork and after 5-10 minutes am on my way. Sometimes with a bullshit ticket but who cares.

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no offense meant, but i strongly suggest peeps not watch that video of Kelly Thomas, unless you want to have your day ruined.

getting beaten to death is a horrible horrible way to get murdered.

And you are ignorant

Video of Walter Scott Killing Is but a Glimpse of Police Misconduct | Cato Institute



Video of Walter Scott Killing Is but a Glimpse of Police Misconduct
By Tim Lynch


A generation ago, when someone complained of police misconduct, we would learn that a police spokesperson denied the accusation and that was that. Because we were not there and did not know those involved, it was impossible to draw any conclusions. There was also an understandable reluctance to believe that the local department would spread falsehoods. Now more and more incidents are captured in cellphone videos, and that means citizens can judge for themselves whether the police broke the law. Smartphones are providing us with a glimpse of the widespread abuse that policymakers have been ignoring for years and changing the world of American policing.

On Saturday, April 4, Walter Scott was shot and killed by police officer Michael Slager in North Charleston, S.C. By Tuesday, local authorities had charged Slager with murder. That?s no wonder. Most of the episode was captured on a cellphone video that offers damning evidence of criminal conduct.

The first thing to note is that Scott was about 20 feet from Slager and was running away, not toward him. To elude capture, lots of criminals run from the police. However, the Supreme Court has ruled that cops can only use deadly force against a fleeing suspect if that person poses a serious danger to the police or others. So, for example, if a criminal shoots at schoolchildren and then turns and runs in another direction, the police would be justified in firing their weapons. But a cop breaks the law if he shoots out of anger or frustration simply because his quarry is about to get away. And that?s what seems to have happened with Slager.

The video exposes additional incriminating evidence from after the shooting. After Scott falls to the ground, we see Slager tampering with evidence at the scene. It looks like Slager places his Taser close to Scott?s body. And, according to news reports, Slager wrote down that he performed CPR on the wounded Scott. The video clearly contradicts that claim.

Prosecutors typically give the benefit of any doubt to the police force. In this case the authorities must have realized that Slager lost all credibility with those dishonest actions.

To a certain extent, the authorities in South Carolina deserve praise for how they handled this incident. They disclosed the identity of the officer and his disciplinary record. They turned the case over to an independent agency to avoid a conflict of interest, and those investigators followed the evidence. Many people will say that the system ?worked.? Did it?

Consider the role of happenstance in this case. A bystander with a smartphone ? and the willingness to use it ? happened to be on the scene to record it. There are very few instances in which video evidence is available. When it?s not, then all too often there is no serious scrutiny.

Vincent Bugliosi, the legendary Los Angeles prosecutor who put Charles Manson away, once admitted that most district attorneys have a double standard when it comes to filing criminal complaints against the police. Bugliosi said the unit responsible for investigating officer-involved shootings reviewed hundreds of cases during the 1980s and did not find a single criminal violation. That pattern has held over time. Between 2001 and 2005, there were more than 400 officer-involved shootings reviewed by Los Angeles Dist. Atty. Steve Cooley. No criminal charges were filed.

In Milwaukee, prosecutors refer officer-involved shootings to an inquest jury, which can recommend or decline criminal charges. In 25 years, there has never been a recommendation for charges.

Since Ferguson, it has been repeatedly noted that we do not even have reliable data on the number of people killed by police each year. What we do know is that when the Department of Justice is called in to scrutinize police practices, the findings are deeply disturbing.

In 2011, the feds investigated the practices of the New Orleans Police Department. The findings were scandalous. According to the report, the local commanders? mishandling of police shooting investigations was ?so blatant and egregious that it appeared intentional in some respects.? Last year, the Department of Justice reviewed 20 officer-involved shootings resulting in fatalities in Albuquerque from 2009 to 2012 and concluded that most of those killings were illegal.

Policing in the United States is decentralized among thousands of cities and counties ? so professional and ethical standards will vary. Still, it seems safe to say that too many officer-involved shootings receive little scrutiny. What occurred in South Carolina was not an anomaly, it just happened to be caught on video.





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This doesn't relate to what happened, so repeating this over and over again is pointless and seems just like justifying police's unlawfull and totally unacceptable actions.

It doesn't matter what happened before. It only does matter what happened in that arrest situation, and especially what happened at the moment when the force was used. That guy was already arrested when the actions happened. It is the judge's job to give sentence to that guy, not police's.

that pic on right rumored to be dead pic of Ryan Dunn of Jackass, not whoever is here.

Expecting the police to change their behavior is a waste of time. In fact it will only get worse as more and more people challenge them.

Ryan Dunn's body was burned to a cinder, they didnt take him to a hospital and put tubes in his mouth after the crash.

Whatever, it is your shithole, not mine. In my shithole police serves the people and if it doesn't it really is big case. Around here people still hold grudge for some shit that happened tens and tens years ago. In here, one people has died by police during last 4 years, during 5+ years 3 people, the first one by accident. So basically 2 people in five yeards. Our population is 5,4 million.

In US more polices probably shoot each other accidentally during donut breaks. :)

you ruined my scare fantasy :mad:

clearly the perp tripped on a rock and rolled upon other rocks.

:1orglaugh

so the cops catch her and then it's ok to beat her while they can control her ???
And what it is useful for ?

This!!!!!

10 deputes get paid vacation after beating man on horse, because we all know there is "another" side of story other than watching them beat the fuck out of the guy in handcuffs which needs to be investigated..


California sheriff's deputies placed on leave after violent horse chase arrest - CBS News

So how many will they "give up" for the "team"? Do you think every cop whom kicked him will get fired or maybe they will just claim it was one bad apple...

In any other job, a suspension means no pay. The unions won that battle.

Can't be true, we all know that the only reason for cop to beat/shoot is racism. And both parties were of the same race.

Sly nailed it.

It's troubling that there are brutal cops out there... But it's even more troubling that they are so stupid as to be brutal with a helicopter overhead. If you are going to be brutal, at least don't be so stupid about it.