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aka123 04-10-2015 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20444801)
Point out where I justify police actions.

In fact you'll find the opposite.

It doesn't look like that. I replied to your particular message, so your question is self-explanatory.

SuckOnThis 04-10-2015 08:27 AM

This is fucking sickening

And of course these cops were acquitted




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L-Pink 04-10-2015 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20444826)
It doesn't look like that. I replied to your particular message, so your question is self-explanatory.

How is saying not resisting is justifying police behavior. I'm saying not to resist BECAUSE of police behavior. The cops came to this guys house to investigate an identify theft case. He flees in a car, car chase, abandons the car steals a horse then flees again ...... Do you really think the cops would have beaten him if he was peaceful at his house in the beginning?

Nothing good will ever happen if a suspect escalates the situation. Ever. This shouldn't even be an argument. This isn't condoning police behavior it's a way to protect yourself when facing the police.

I'm a long haired guy riding a black Harley with straight pipes in Florida, Georgia and Kentucky. I fit the Meth/pain pill/biker profile perfectly. I get pulled over 1-3 times a year, sometimes patted down, sometimes saddlebags searched, sometimes drunk tested.

Every time I could escalate the situation to a shitty ending. No matter how much of an ass the cop is I'm pleasant, respectful, have correct paperwork and after 5-10 minutes am on my way. Sometimes with a bullshit ticket but who cares.

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dyna mo 04-10-2015 09:24 AM

no offense meant, but i strongly suggest peeps not watch that video of Kelly Thomas, unless you want to have your day ruined.

getting beaten to death is a horrible horrible way to get murdered.

baddog 04-10-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20444535)
They probably thought it being their own copter, as the other one probably was, and as Crockett pointed out; the whole police department is probably so rotten that no one cares a shit worth about law or justice altogether (or they have their own sense about justice).

And you are ignorant

sperbonzo 04-10-2015 09:37 AM

Video of Walter Scott Killing Is but a Glimpse of Police Misconduct | Cato Institute



Video of Walter Scott Killing Is but a Glimpse of Police Misconduct
By Tim Lynch


A generation ago, when someone complained of police misconduct, we would learn that a police spokesperson denied the accusation and that was that. Because we were not there and did not know those involved, it was impossible to draw any conclusions. There was also an understandable reluctance to believe that the local department would spread falsehoods. Now more and more incidents are captured in cellphone videos, and that means citizens can judge for themselves whether the police broke the law. Smartphones are providing us with a glimpse of the widespread abuse that policymakers have been ignoring for years and changing the world of American policing.

On Saturday, April 4, Walter Scott was shot and killed by police officer Michael Slager in North Charleston, S.C. By Tuesday, local authorities had charged Slager with murder. That?s no wonder. Most of the episode was captured on a cellphone video that offers damning evidence of criminal conduct.

The first thing to note is that Scott was about 20 feet from Slager and was running away, not toward him. To elude capture, lots of criminals run from the police. However, the Supreme Court has ruled that cops can only use deadly force against a fleeing suspect if that person poses a serious danger to the police or others. So, for example, if a criminal shoots at schoolchildren and then turns and runs in another direction, the police would be justified in firing their weapons. But a cop breaks the law if he shoots out of anger or frustration simply because his quarry is about to get away. And that?s what seems to have happened with Slager.

The video exposes additional incriminating evidence from after the shooting. After Scott falls to the ground, we see Slager tampering with evidence at the scene. It looks like Slager places his Taser close to Scott?s body. And, according to news reports, Slager wrote down that he performed CPR on the wounded Scott. The video clearly contradicts that claim.

Prosecutors typically give the benefit of any doubt to the police force. In this case the authorities must have realized that Slager lost all credibility with those dishonest actions.

To a certain extent, the authorities in South Carolina deserve praise for how they handled this incident. They disclosed the identity of the officer and his disciplinary record. They turned the case over to an independent agency to avoid a conflict of interest, and those investigators followed the evidence. Many people will say that the system ?worked.? Did it?

Consider the role of happenstance in this case. A bystander with a smartphone ? and the willingness to use it ? happened to be on the scene to record it. There are very few instances in which video evidence is available. When it?s not, then all too often there is no serious scrutiny.

Vincent Bugliosi, the legendary Los Angeles prosecutor who put Charles Manson away, once admitted that most district attorneys have a double standard when it comes to filing criminal complaints against the police. Bugliosi said the unit responsible for investigating officer-involved shootings reviewed hundreds of cases during the 1980s and did not find a single criminal violation. That pattern has held over time. Between 2001 and 2005, there were more than 400 officer-involved shootings reviewed by Los Angeles Dist. Atty. Steve Cooley. No criminal charges were filed.

In Milwaukee, prosecutors refer officer-involved shootings to an inquest jury, which can recommend or decline criminal charges. In 25 years, there has never been a recommendation for charges.

Since Ferguson, it has been repeatedly noted that we do not even have reliable data on the number of people killed by police each year. What we do know is that when the Department of Justice is called in to scrutinize police practices, the findings are deeply disturbing.

In 2011, the feds investigated the practices of the New Orleans Police Department. The findings were scandalous. According to the report, the local commanders? mishandling of police shooting investigations was ?so blatant and egregious that it appeared intentional in some respects.? Last year, the Department of Justice reviewed 20 officer-involved shootings resulting in fatalities in Albuquerque from 2009 to 2012 and concluded that most of those killings were illegal.

Policing in the United States is decentralized among thousands of cities and counties ? so professional and ethical standards will vary. Still, it seems safe to say that too many officer-involved shootings receive little scrutiny. What occurred in South Carolina was not an anomaly, it just happened to be caught on video.





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aka123 04-10-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20444859)
How is saying not resisting is justifying police behavior. I'm saying not to resist BECAUSE of police behavior. The cops came to this guys house to investigate an identify theft case. He flees in a car, car chase, abandons the car steals a horse then flees again ...... Do you really think the cops would have beaten him if he was peaceful at his house in the beginning?

This doesn't relate to what happened, so repeating this over and over again is pointless and seems just like justifying police's unlawfull and totally unacceptable actions.

It doesn't matter what happened before. It only does matter what happened in that arrest situation, and especially what happened at the moment when the force was used. That guy was already arrested when the actions happened. It is the judge's job to give sentence to that guy, not police's.

xXXtesy10 04-10-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20444835)
This is fucking sickening

And of course these cops were acquitted




http://sfbayview.com/wp-content/uplo...mas-poster.jpg

that pic on right rumored to be dead pic of Ryan Dunn of Jackass, not whoever is here.

L-Pink 04-10-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20445034)
This doesn't relate to what happened, so repeating this over and over again is pointless and seems just like justifying police's unlawfull and totally unacceptable actions.

It doesn't matter what happened before. It only does matter what happened in that arrest situation, and especially what happened at the moment when the force was used. That guy was already arrested when the actions happened. It is the judge's job to give sentence to that guy, not police's.


Expecting the police to change their behavior is a waste of time. In fact it will only get worse as more and more people challenge them.

SuckOnThis 04-10-2015 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xXXtesy10 (Post 20445044)
that pic on right rumored to be dead pic of Ryan Dunn of Jackass, not whoever is here.

Ryan Dunn's body was burned to a cinder, they didnt take him to a hospital and put tubes in his mouth after the crash.

aka123 04-10-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20445051)
Expecting the police to change their behavior is a waste of time. In fact it will only get worse as more and more people challenge them.

Whatever, it is your shithole, not mine. In my shithole police serves the people and if it doesn't it really is big case. Around here people still hold grudge for some shit that happened tens and tens years ago. In here, one people has died by police during last 4 years, during 5+ years 3 people, the first one by accident. So basically 2 people in five yeards. Our population is 5,4 million.

In US more polices probably shoot each other accidentally during donut breaks. :)

xXXtesy10 04-10-2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20445057)
Ryan Dunn's body was burned to a cinder, they didnt take him to a hospital and put tubes in his mouth after the crash.

you ruined my scare fantasy :mad:

1215 04-10-2015 06:34 PM

clearly the perp tripped on a rock and rolled upon other rocks.

blackmonsters 04-10-2015 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20445059)
In US more polices probably shoot each other accidentally during donut breaks. :)


:1orglaugh

pornmasta 04-10-2015 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20444421)
i don't believe she would ever get the message to just not run from the cops.

so the cops catch her and then it's ok to beat her while they can control her ???
And what it is useful for ?

DAMNMAN 04-10-2015 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20444349)
So you claim that if he laid down and put his hands behind his back at home then the cops would
not do the same thing as when he laid down and put his hands behind his back in the desert.

OK.

:1orglaugh


This!!!!!

crockett 04-11-2015 08:32 AM

10 deputes get paid vacation after beating man on horse, because we all know there is "another" side of story other than watching them beat the fuck out of the guy in handcuffs which needs to be investigated..


California sheriff's deputies placed on leave after violent horse chase arrest - CBS News

So how many will they "give up" for the "team"? Do you think every cop whom kicked him will get fired or maybe they will just claim it was one bad apple...

Sly 04-11-2015 08:34 AM

In any other job, a suspension means no pay. The unions won that battle.

mineistaken 04-11-2015 08:39 AM

Can't be true, we all know that the only reason for cop to beat/shoot is racism. And both parties were of the same race.

Relentless 04-11-2015 09:18 AM

Sly nailed it.

It's troubling that there are brutal cops out there... But it's even more troubling that they are so stupid as to be brutal with a helicopter overhead. If you are going to be brutal, at least don't be so stupid about it.

SilentKnight 04-11-2015 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20444381)
Fuck the police. My only point in all these is if you don't resist the other shit doesn't happen.
Why is that hard to understand?

Fiddy horse thieves.

Because if he admits to understanding it...it nullifies his police brutality soapbox.

L-Pink 04-11-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20445753)
Fiddy horse thieves.

Because if he admits to understanding it...it nullifies his police brutality soapbox.

It's also worth noting when I make the exact same statement about a dumb-ass white guy that I do about some black guy he doesn't call me a racist.

So yea, his racist police brutality agenda is set back when a white guy is involved.

dyna mo 04-11-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20445421)
so the cops catch her and then it's ok to beat her while they can control her ???
And what it is useful for ?

what are you talking about? i've never even implied such a thing, in fact, I've STATED the exact opposite more than once just in this thread.

blackmonsters 04-11-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20445757)
It's also worth noting when I make the exact same statement about a dumb-ass white guy that I do about some black guy he doesn't call me a racist.

So yea, his racist police brutality agenda is set back when a white guy is involved.


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:1orglaugh

mineistaken 04-11-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20445757)
It's also worth noting when I make the exact same statement about a dumb-ass white guy that I do about some black guy he doesn't call me a racist.

So yea, his racist police brutality agenda is set back when a white guy is involved.

Yeah, morons like that amazes me.
White gets beaten - some other reasons. Black gets beaten - there can not be other reasons except racism.
How dumb one must be to reason like that?
Answer - BM dumb. Or libtard dumb.

pimpmaster9000 04-11-2015 12:38 PM

I hope the police in my 3rd world shit hole never degrades to US standards...even the intervention units in my shit hole are kind and polite...it is impossible to get shot if you are not armed, they simply will not shoot you end of story...I know of one police shooting of an unarmed man in my shit hole, it was all over the news, it was a fucking scandal, the drunk asshole tried to take away a cops gun...it was in the news for weeks...

OneHungLo 04-11-2015 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20445844)
I hope the police in my 3rd world shit hole never degrades to US standards...even the intervention units in my shit hole are kind and polite...it is impossible to get shot if you are not armed, they simply will not shoot you end of story...I know of one police shooting of an unarmed man in my shit hole, it was all over the news, it was a fucking scandal, the drunk asshole tried to take away a cops gun...it was in the news for weeks...

Yeah...they'll just ethnically cleanse you :1orglaugh

Horatio Caine 04-11-2015 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20445844)
I hope the police in my 3rd world shit hole never degrades to US standards...even the intervention units in my shit hole are kind and polite...it is impossible to get shot if you are not armed, they simply will not shoot you end of story...I know of one police shooting of an unarmed man in my shit hole, it was all over the news, it was a fucking scandal, the drunk asshole tried to take away a cops gun...it was in the news for weeks...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_86-X5Fn-0U...hit_again.jpeg

RyuLion 04-11-2015 01:08 PM

Damn, they kicked his head a few times..

iwantchixx 04-11-2015 02:25 PM

Steal a horse in india, see what happens to you or steal a bike in the philippines and see what happens to you.

This is how theft was dealt with for thousands of years but now, people want all these rights and a mchappy meal on their way to jail.

I dont agree with cops abusing their power, but I think they SHOULD be able to throw thieves, abusers, problem-people etc around a bit - might deter the jerks from doing it again

iwantchixx 04-11-2015 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20445844)
I hope the police in my 3rd world shit hole never degrades to US standards...even the intervention units in my shit hole are kind and polite...it is impossible to get shot if you are not armed, they simply will not shoot you end of story...I know of one police shooting of an unarmed man in my shit hole, it was all over the news, it was a fucking scandal, the drunk asshole tried to take away a cops gun...it was in the news for weeks...

you kind of have a point here, cops in 3rd world countries dont shoot, unless they absolutely HAVE to.. but they sure as heck hand out some street justice themselves and allow every tom dick and harry to hand the perps asses to them before being put into a police vehicle. Im sure lessons are learned better there. Here, you can violently rob someone and beat them, and cops ask which fast food joint you want to pickup at as they transfer you to another jail the next morning. Not a finger laid on the perps here hardly anymore.

mineistaken 04-11-2015 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 20445910)
Steal a horse in india, see what happens to you or steal a bike in the philippines and see what happens to you.

I thought horse thieves were frowned upon in US as well.

mineistaken 04-11-2015 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 20445913)
Not a finger laid on the perps here hardly anymore.

That would bee too politically incorrect and insensitive.
Society pussyfication in action :winkwink:

Horatio Caine 04-11-2015 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 20445910)
Steal a horse in india, see what happens to you or steal a bike in the philippines and see what happens to you.

This is how theft was dealt with for thousands of years but now, people want all these rights and a mchappy meal on their way to jail.

I dont agree with cops abusing their power, but I think they SHOULD be able to throw thieves, abusers, problem-people etc around a bit - might deter the jerks from doing it again

You can get your ass chopped before cops there. Saw it with my own eyes in Thailand. By the time cops got there dude had broken leg and multiple cuts on his back. I was freaking out because I have hemophobia

aka123 04-11-2015 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20445916)
That would bee too politically incorrect and insensitive.
Society pussyfication in action :winkwink:

In working justice system there are separate institutions for finding criminals, sentencing them and executing the punishments. You can call it whatever, but it ensures much more rightful results. As for starters the sentenced people are much more likely actually guilty.

Of course many assholes prefer all kinds of violence; the difference between them and criminals is often semantic to none.

$5 submissions 04-11-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 20444330)
Justifiable.

They feared for their lives. This is a well known kung fu fighting stance which starts off by laying face down on the ground and can be life threatening if executed properly.

- L-Pink

Yeah, I believe that kung fu stance is called 'Crouching Dragon, Hidden Tiger' :1orglaugh:winkwink:

$5 submissions 04-11-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20444402)
When we can't tell the difference between the two, we have some serious issues that need to be figured out. Fast.

This pretty much sums up the issue. It's all about STANDARDS.

SilentKnight 04-11-2015 04:11 PM

In downtown Toronto back in the 70s and 80s (actually as far back as the 50s) - the 52 Division of Toronto police developed quite a reputation for taking chronic problem criminals for a latenight drive out to the remote Cherry Beach area and tuning them up.

This was a time before cellphones and cell cams, of course. So it was far easier for cops to get away with it.

Was it right? Perhaps not.
Was it effective? Quite probably.

The stories about 52 Division were so prevalent that Pukka Orchestra recorded "Cherry Beach Express" in the 80s.



mineistaken 04-11-2015 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20445978)
In downtown Toronto back in the 70s and 80s (actually as far back as the 50s) - the 52 Division of Toronto police developed quite a reputation for taking chronic problem criminals for a latenight drive out to the remote Cherry Beach area and tuning them up.

This was a time before cellphones and cell cams, of course. So it was far easier for cops to get away with it.

Was it right? Perhaps not.
Was it effective? Quite probably.

The stories about 52 Division were so prevalent that Pukka Orchestra recorded "Cherry Beach Express" in the 80s.



:thumbsup

brassmonkey 04-11-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by xXXtesy10 (Post 20445044)
that pic on right rumored to be dead pic of Ryan Dunn of Jackass, not whoever is here.

burned into my memory :2 cents::2 cents: if i go down it will be while im bustin capz :2 cents::2 cents: i dont know the full story. imma tell you this. piss a cop off he may get you later. im a witness!


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