hey **********, i'll draw up a storage based solar collecting energy system for your new home that's cost feasible right here-

5 150 watt solar panels per person for a 1400 sq ft home. $200 each.

installation DIY $500

cables $200

solar charge controller $300

batteries 3Kw total $1500

inverter $500

total for 2 people = $5000


this system is expandable, add more batteries and panels at any time. let me know if you need brand names to follow-up and purchase because this is not cost-prohibitive.


you're welcome.

the circular thinking behind this is pretty silly. the battery is able to store about 1/3 of a day's worth of energy an average home uses. A 12panel solar system (about the limit you can put on most homes) can produce about 1/6th of a days worth of power. That doesn't remotely get you off the grid (despite tesla's claims).
Advances in batteries and solar are always good, the reality of where we are and where it will take us are greatly exaggerated.

Look 12clicks, a mentally unhinged Canadian who obsesses day and night with American politics says that Elon Musk saved the world (again). Why does it matter what the facts are? It's a feel good statement full of feel good imagery, pointing to a feel good future. If Ignorance is bliss, he's got to be the happiest person in Canada. Surely that's not a bad thing.

mark prince, quick, post that pic of you standing next to some solar panels!


hurry!

And for the love of God, don't accidentally post pics of you doing burn outs in your shiny new camero - you know, that would make you look like a hypocrite - like all those horrible republicans you post about 24/7

You don't know where it is: Geography fail. You don't care where it is: You hate people from other countries.

Got it. Loud and clear.


Sigh. Try reading what other people have to say, will you?

My OP is about the new Tesla battery. I like batteries, You like batteries too, right? Right.

I like Solar, you like Solar too, right? Right!

The only difference we have then, at least according to your last post, is adding solar panels and batteries to our home. Right?

Have you done this already? If so, Good for you (seriously). You might now be buying less electricity, and you are definitely polluting a little less because a lot of your electricity is "dirty" (from coal plants, etc). Good for you, seriously.

Have I done this yet? No. Why? Well first I just moved in to a new house. This is my first house. I still haven't unpacked yet.

But aside from that, my current (ha!) electric bill is only about $120 a month, and 99% of the electricity generated in Quebec (36.643 Megawatts in 2014) is clean energy (Hydro-Québec at a Glance | Who Are We? | Hydro-Québec).

If I want to use solar to go 100% clean, spending $5000 to get that 1% is not worth the money. It would make much more sense to reduce energy use instead.

If I want to use solar to go 100% "off the grid", it would not be worth it either because at current consumption and costs, it would take at least 4.16 years to break even. But even this is wrong because being in the North, the angle of the sun means less direct sunlight to what you may have, and snow would cover the panels at other times. it is also wrong because the panels you quoted will take too long to charge those batteries. You're also wrong again because my house is bigger than 1400 square feet.

And finally, as I hope you know, Technology is changing all the time. Solar panels are getting better and more efficient, and prices are dropping. I won't be buying a solar panel station "Today" nor will I be buying a Tesla batter "today. Maybe in 5 years I will, and maybe, hopefully, other people for who this technology solves a problem will buy it too.

I don't say that green is perfect for everyone. My OP was to applause Tesla's new venture into batteries. That is all.

Some states in the US are already offering cash incentives to get these batteries and go green. California I think is offering 50%. Neither Quebec nor Canada is offering this yet, excluding the $8000 credit for EV's. They obviously have some political i's to dot and t's to cross. But if they do offer an incentive program, you can bet I will be looking into it.

Ok Cleetus?

instead of yammering on trying to make statements about me, you should be making a statement by having a solar rig on your home. I haven't seen one thread by you about wanting to do that while I have seen the ones about expensive energy sapping guitar refriderators and fancy media systems, which don't get me wrong, are fancy. but Elon Musk launched the Powerwall to make a statement, it's not a practical system for anyone but a few.

even in glorious sunny southern california a solar rig is only doing its best ~3 hours a day during ~3 months of the year. that's all. if the Sun is not perfectly perpendicular to the panels it's not performing at its' best. now add in the complete inefficiency solar collection/energy storage it's simply not practical.

but owning a solar rig is a statement. and one you should be making, not discounting because it's not a panacea for you.

You know nothing.

i know you think in terms of unicorns and rainbows.

http://www.badideatshirts.com/Assets...25_SOFA_RK.jpg

Odd it is making news now. I have solar panels on my house from Solar City and had them add a battery with it 2 yrs ago which ended up being a Tesla battery. It is designed to only runs our first floor when the power goes out but I have left if off and it will run en-defiantly as the solar panels are able to charge the battery while I am running off of it even if there is no sun for 5 days. Being in San Diego, 5 days of no sun is not heard of. I am not sure if this is a solution everywhere, but in San Diego where we get alot of sun it was a no brainier for us.

When they first installed it I asked if I could get 3 more batteries but at the time they said it was not a solution to run off. Guess that changed.

FYI Elon Musk's is on the board or something of Solar City is how they were able to use the battery.

hey, what gives? ELon Musk simply introduces a fancy battery in a shiny display and you claim he saved the world. I gift you the blueprints to build your own alternative energy system and this is the thanks I get.

Thanks to Ellon I'm Saved ! Praise be the Musk:pimp

Tesla's Home Battery Is Built for a Solar Boom. Time has come, we are in the future now.

Elon Musk is a snake oil salesman. He didn't save the world before and he hasn't saved it this time either.

Post title should be changed to: "Tesla scams the world again".

Why Tesla's Powerwall Is Just Another Toy For Rich Green People


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mark prince claims powerwall saved the world- the only way that would happen is if people buy it. but even then its limitations keep it from being a panacea to the energy issue, most adults know that, as shown in this thread.

but mark prince ain't buying one, he's not even buying the lean & mean rig i planned out for him. he's saving up for gold HDMi cables and inefficient refridgerators.

Dynamo, I've had enough of you.

The new Tesla battery is important because it is significantly cheaper than other batteries, and can be mass produced. It's general goal is to speed up the transition to home made solar and wind power, and to power your house at night from stored solar power instead of relying on GRID power which is generated by coal in many locations around the world.

And don't forget, this is the first generation of the product too, and its being made BEFORE the new Gigafactory goes online.

This is also before other competitors have entered the market, which they will. And, Tesla as open-sourced the technology too, just like they did with their cars, so anyone can make batteries like the Tesla battery without being sued for it.

Each Tesla battery is also connected to the Internet, and knows the energy costs of your utility company. That means it can charge itself when your rates are the lowest, then let you use that energy instead of the utility company when the rates are the highest. You can even sell your unused energy back to the utility company and make a profit.

There are plenty of problems in the world, and plenty of innovation that can help put a dent in those problems.

But instead of considering the facts, or even the basic ideas, you rip open your asshole and take a giant shit on the idea, on everyone involved, and everything those people may have done.

I'm no psychologist, but you strike me as someone who is very depressed. You are so depressed that the only way you can make yourself feel better is to try to drag everyone down to your level. You don't see any good or beauty in the world, and you certainly do not acknowledge anyone at all, including Nasa Scientists or Entrepreneurs like Elon Musk, who are doing something good. You hate absolutely everyone and everything. I assume, you hate yourself too.

Pretty sad.

I'd wish you good luck, but I know you'll ignore it. So instead, I'll just say Go Fuck Yourself.

you're an idiot fan boy mark prince. it's not a cheaper battery than batteries on the market.

and there are plenty of competitors in the solar energy and storage market, i've bought plenty of equipment from many of them.


it's unfortunate you equate living in the real world and dealing with and solving real world problems as being depressed, but that just proves yet again you live in a unicorns and rainbows fan boy fantasy world. you spin up excuses for why you can't embrace alt energy while pointing your finger at others and tell them they should, all while thinking the answer is arguing about whether or not the science is settled.

you're part of the problem.

and again, stop trying to cast yourself as a science guy when you can't even spell NASA.


dumbfuck.

False - this may have been true a couple years ago but you can store energy cheaper than this now. Their numbers are at industry standard and they are just one of many not exactly breaking new ground here.
Why Tesla faces problems with repackaging electric car batteries for homes - The Globe and Mail

False - the only real people it helps is the people that own their cars. Cost of power to charge the cars battery is higher at peak times etc. The battery pack helps keep this cost low.
Also helps you charge your car should your power go out etc. Basically it helps them solve some issues with ownership of their cars. Selling/Marketing it to everyone helps increase their production volume.
It also helps reduce the demand on the grid for when more people start charging their cars, much like the issue in the summer when everyone turns on their AC if enough people plug their cars in this demand will have its own down sides that the batteries help reduce.

False - Tesla is not open source if I'm wrong send me a link that shows me the exact battery layout of their secret formula used. You wont be able to as this is the most highly protected secret.

True - Even with all the somewhat false statements above; just having the marketing/brand/etc.. power that Tesla brings to the table may help increase the number of people considering EV's now that they see a solution to some ownership problems. This can also be said for bringing more people around to the idea of solar power. And TBH the more money Telsa makes the more it can put back into the company, R&D, new car models, increas production and possibly lower their price points. They do after all make a nice EV that is usable as a daily driver for most, but most can not afford it.

LOL!! Nice try, but no. You're a fucking loser, and you know it. Keep dreading your miserable future tough guy. You won't be dragging me down with you.

Ok, good - nice find... but it doesn't exactly contradict what I said. It's good that Tesla is doing this, but they are not the first company to offer batteries, and of course there will be competitors like Samsung as the article says.

The message is : Cheap batteries that capture cheap energy is a good idea, regardless of who makes it. Am I wrong?



But isn't helping their production volume a good thing? More volume could mean reduced costs, no?

But I would disagree and say that it's not just for people who drive EV's. Since everything in your house is electric (except maybe for the a gas furnace), why not power it from batteries where possible too? And why not charge those batteries from clean sources where possible?

That's right. It helps reduce the demand. It helps shift customers from requiring electricity during those high demand times.


Nope, True!

The Model S technology is open source:
Tesla Goes Open Source: Elon Musk Releases Patents To 'Good Faith' Use - Forbes

Battery will be open source:
Tesla Unveils Powerwall Battery For Homes, Powerpacks For Businesses And Cities

Other Tesla Patents that are open source:
Tesla Is Giving Away All Of Its Ideas For Free


Of course! Agreed. This is actually brilliant marketing and business. The battery brings with it a "coolness" factor, and I even heard someone describe it as a "lifestyle choice". This will of course help Tesla sell more cars.

Agreed. Makes total sense to me.

Mother nature already perfected the art of capturing solar energy and storing it hundreds of millions of years ago. It's called photosynthesis and the food chain. Ultimately natural gas, oil, coal and any other biomass are a part of that system. Wood, fossil fuels and every living organism on the planet is effectively a battery for stored solar energy.

But the greentards don't want us to use any of that stored solar energy because it releases the life giving and essential gas CO2 which they have classified as a pollutant so they can make money off of regulating it.

Elon Musk doesn't want you to use fossil fuels so he can guilt and trick you into buying his overpriced and ineffective "technology".

:2 cents:


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I've read this thread and articles about the batteries. Seems Tesla didn't save the world at all... or anything close to it. But it made one Canadian happy... though you rarely see an angry Canadian, so i'm not even sure thats useful.

Earth to dumbfuck, you're the guy starting threads re: elon musk saving the world with a battery that you have absolutely no intentions of purchasing. moreover, you have absolutely no intentions of going solar whatsoever while people like me have actually embraced the technology and figured out how to apply it, where it works and where it doesn't.

so sure thing mark prince, keep thinking you're in unicorns and rainbows land and i'm trying to drag you down to where i live on earth- by my sharing my experience with you of having figured out how to make solar collecting and energy storage viable.

:1orglaugh

Ok tough guy.

Maybe you can hold the battery down and bite it,... to "train it"??

it always cracks me up how you think my stating facts is tough guy. it reveals a lot about you.

what really cracks me up though is how in spite of all these sorts of threads mark prince dumps on us, he absolutely, steadfastly refuses to embrace ANY solar power for himself. i showed him solar powered refridgerators before, he wasn't interested. he blew off solar in this thread.

but he calls me a "fucking loser trying to drag him down" for showing him a realistic starter rig to include solar energy for his home.

right.

Goddam you're stupid.

Since I switch driving EV, I now use clean energy instead of dirty energy for my commute. Clean energy is so cheap in Quebec that Solar isn't quiet viable, yet. I said this earlier. I do plan to get solar in the future when it becomes more affordable.

And also, you fucking moron, I already said in this thread, that I JUST MOVED HERE. So stop trying to lie to everyone else in this thread in a stupid attempt to make yourself look better. You just make yourself look even more stupid than you already are.

But since you are bringing it up, I have a challenge for you, tough guy.

I don't believe you have solar panels. Please go outside, take a picture of yourself, in front of your house, with your solar panels in the shot. Post it here on GFY with a second picture of you from any trade show so we know you're not just posting a picture of some random person, and then finally, post your address and zip code so we can see your house and panels from Google Earth.

Oh it just got deep, it's a selfie off!

*Snap!*
;)

lolz, you mention solar panels like they are some far-fetched, pie-in-sky, unattainable unicorn that needs a photo to prove exists, low and behold a solar array! feast your eyes on the magical mystery few dare bolt on to their roofs.

look, it doesn't matter what i do with my conservation efforts, this thread is about you and your lack of conservation efforts. my embracing solar energies has nothing to do with your not embracing it.

keep dodging the fact you can't and don't walk what you preach by trying to derail your own thread with all kinds of google earth and trade show bullshit you need from me.

Tesla is not 100% open source. The Tesla Car battery circuit is a secret. You can't find the exact specs how many cells in how many rows and what order the - and + go etc.

I did the trip to Radisson/La Grande/etc.. last summer was a great road trip. (I'd suggest you rent an SUV it's a long rough road) But I'd say the impact the dams had were not exactly small.
Hydro power still produces GHG such as CO2.
Gross GHG emissions of reservoirs in the James Bay area fluctuate around 30,000 tonnes of CO2 equivalent per TWh of generated power.

I'd say the current best long term solution would be a mix of solar and Thorium Molten Salt Reactor pods.

Hahahahahaha I knew it! You don't own solar panels, after belching for how long now, a year, claiming that you did? Hahahahahaha What big poser you are. Poser, liar, cry baby, etc etc... whatever word you think fits.

Maybe you owe everyone on GFY an apology for lying to them. Just a suggestion.

How sad. How very very sad.

For sure. Dams can cause huge change to any eco system.


Thats true and actually this is something I only learned about a year ago. I forget the reasons - something about the plant life at the bottom?

There are always trade offs when it comes to energy production. The best we can hope for is to get the most energy for the smallest carbon footprint, or least amount of damage, etc.

And when that can't happen, at least, to clean up the damage left behind. This is something I wish big oil would be better at. They have accidents like oil spills and train derailments, but the clean up seems to be piss-poor. The golf of Mexico is a good example.


YES!!! I totally agree. Even current reactors are cleaner than coal. Did I hear that they already building Thorium reactors?

Come on Dynamo

Let's see the pictures of the solar panels that shocked you

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...ht=solar+panel

Photos of you, in front of your house, with your solar panels installed, with your address and zip so we can all verify it with Google Earth, please.

mark prince, you are too much of a dumbfuck to know what these are pictures of, so i will enlighten you.


These are pics of me teabagging you.

http://i.imgur.com/A00K2f7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qrXuLNZ.jpg

i don't need to go climb up on the roof take pics while prolly a pussy hair away from falling off, then go dig up trade show photos and then gps google earth with me standing next to it all while waving a rubber chicken over my head.

what you are actually looking at is the solar charger for one of the recent solar energy collections systems i've drawn up and installed. Is is the WIndyNation 30L, I am comparing it to other solar chargers I am experienced with to rate its efficiency.

As you can see by the reading, I've already collected 5400 Ah through this system. ANd I am currently (get it - currently) sending full charge to the battery storage bank via the PV.

you are a complete fucking dumbfuck. an even bigger complete fucking dumbfuck than you think i think you are.

I see no pictures of you, and these aren't pictures of your house, and these aren't pictures of solar panels, and you didn't include your address so we could see the solar panels from Google Earth. Also I didn't ask you to climb onto your roof. Just a picture of you in front of your house with the solar panels in view is fine.

I ask for a photo of you with anyone from any trade show so that I can match your photos to you. Otherwise you could post a picture of anybody in front of any house.

Tesla's New Battery Doesn't Work That Well With Solar

Even Elon Musk's SolarCity, the biggest supplier in the U.S., isn't ready to install Tesla's home battery for daily users. Tesla's New Battery Doesn't Work That Well With Solar

Tesla's New Battery Doesn't Work That Well With Solar - Bloomberg Business