50 uninsured going blind.

I'm pretty sure someone needing help at an accident scene wouldn't be blaming the Ambulance workers for his wreck.. That's essentially what has happened here and why people are scolding him.

1. fuck that guy and let him go blind and he deserves going blind blah blah is not scolding.

2. and really, so fucking what if his belief structure causes him to currently place blame on failed legistlators and legislation.

next time you're diagnosed with a fatal disease we'll put your reaction to it under the microscope so we can find reasons to tell you you got what you deserved.

That must be it. I've never worked for anyone else...so all that I knew about was simply going in as a person and buying insurance.

And since Obama Care is theoretically a "group" purchase, that would explain the "enrollment period".

It's still detrimental to the stated goals of Obama Care (everyone being insured and of course the now forgotten "affordable" part of that which was supposed to make our premiums $2500 less per year from the 2009 price)

If only this guy had a pizza shop that hated the gays. He would of had $100 thousand by now..

UM ok , here's the thing. The behavior that lead to his current demise, will lead him to the same end again. He put off taking care of his diabetes. He put off getting insurance. His wife, with a husband going blind, refuses to work.

So he gets the operation, she wont work, he stops taking care of his diabetes again and what?

You do realize this is a political setup released 12 days after the EXTENDED deadline for Obamacare signup. We all know he's getting his operation money to relax. It's all a setup :thumbsup

Also remember, he stopped treatment because "I thought my eyes were better"

but that's not the thing. teaching this guy a lesson by not treating him because he'll just make another mistake in his life is quite callous and far from how civilized societies are expected to act.

the politics and timing of the situation are regardless to my observation of the mean-spirited comments in this thread. i'm really surprised you would think this guy timed his going blind to happen right after open enrollment so a to send a political message.

you = smarter than that!

What? WTF are you talking about? Don't you know that fake liberals/Democrats aren't that way?
They are all-caring and all-compassionate and have nothing but the best wishes for all mankind.
It's unicorns and rainbows and $15 an hour for the slacker flipping burgers at McDonald's.

How dare you question faux-liberalism and it's deeply felt love of all humanity!

I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative :2 cents:

I've said that so many times here but because I'm Gay people think I'm some fucking fag stereotype. There's a whole spectrum of Gay and a whole spectrum of Liberal :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I'm the kind of Gay that can fuck your wife good, and cum in YOUR mouth :winkwink:

I don't see investing in this mans healthcare as a fiscally wise investment :thumbsup

civilized societies all have mandatory health insurance that would have taken care of his problem

You are missing the point.. his mistaken belief in a political lie has not only cost him his chance at having health insurance but also tens of thousands of other peoples whom live in non medicare expansion states..

People like him, caused the issue he is now dealing withm

his ignorance and others like him have caused the issue he now deals as well as others in his same situation..


Also why compassion for this guy whom clearly put himself in his own situation, but no compassion for people getting shot by cops because they made a mistake?

I wasn't directing my "fake liberal" comment at you. :)

I was more or less referring to the current state of "liberalism" which doesn't seem to be what it once was.

Today's "Liberal" seems to be pro-govt all the way. The Govt. is infallible and needs to control our lives at every step.

I was a kid when the Vietnam War was going on and TRUE liberals were in the streets protesting.
You would have never caught guys like that sheepishly following any political party or saying that the govt. needed MORE control of our lives.

Sorry if my comment came across that is was directed at you. It wasn't in any way. :)

Having "mandatory" health insurance doesn't make a society "civilized". It only means that the govt. is in control of your life.

Not much to do with being "civilized" either way.

I'm not even sure why giving Big Insurance Companies billions and billions of dollars in MANDATORY sales would ever be considered "Civilized" in any way, shape, or form.

They are middle-men who drive up the cost of health care.

I was being tongue and cheek, that's why all the smileys & laughing in my post :) No need to apologize at all Robbie :thumbsup

I agree about liberalism today and I think Clinton might bring it back to the conservative side, if not, we'll see who else there is to chose from on either side. Honestly if I had the same rights as everyone else I'd be more a conservative.

We all know this guy is going to get his operation & treatment. He's already at $10k in his gofundme. On one part of his gofundmen he said it was minimum $10k, another part he said $18k.

Either way, gofundme lets him take out any amount, instantly, at any time, and keep the gofundme going so he propably has already scheduled the surgery :thumbsup

Get used to it.. if you don't fit the profile of hard core wing bat conservative then you are liberal around here..

I'm kind of the same.. I'm also for fiscal responsibility but because I think the Tea party is a bunch of loons and because I don't hate black people and I support health care.. I'm a socialist liberal.. according to half the conservatives here.

well, at least, he can keep his doctor :thumbsup

are you really trying to suggest AMerica is not a civilized society? and then by consequence, this guy doesn't deserve treatment because we are not civilized?

over here the companies that provide mandatory health insurances are not allowed to make profit (shocking)

of course they do in a different way but it's not in the way you are allowing US health insurance companies raping you

I stand 100% by what i said

and I don't feel like my government is controlling my life in regards to my doctor - if i want something extra that the insurance doesn't cover i pay it myself.

recently i had a blood test in regards to a tetanus vaccination - it cost me stunning 250 czech crowns - that's $10 USD

no, i'm not missing the point. what you just posted is my point. this guy is a human being and no different from most human beings when it comes to being diagnosed with a disease.

i have read on this board about a 100 times "fuck him/her for not getting insurance" - that never occurred civilized to me.

Well that sucks but fear not Mr. Luis Lang, there is always GoFundMe as a Plan B.

yet he blames his issues on Obamacare... perhaps had he eaten some humble pie and said I fucked up.. can you help.. but not he continues on trying to play on the an to Obama care bullshit..

He also continues on with his smoking and living in his nice big home while begging for handouts.. meanwhile there are people with the same issues as him whom live below poverty and can't get help, because people like this guy continue to buy into the right wing lies about obamacare.

is that a yes, you think USA is not a civilized country?

again i get it. while i am trying to avoid trivializing the debate with observations from across the internet, but he did realized he made a huge mistake and did try to go get insured. and Robbie makes a valid point that it makes no sense to have specific times of the year you can enroll and tough shit other wise.

but again, this guy made a grave medical mistake in handling his disease, that's no reason to wish blindness on the guy.

Yeah some people tend to lump everyone to us against them, the ones that don't are fun to interact with :thumbsup

Group insurance plans have always had enrollment periods. It's nothing new with obamacare. So can I now assume you agree that every person should have access to healthcare? Meaning you are no longer aginst govt subsidized health care system?

i have posted a million times that i wonder why the US - as a civilized, western country - does not have a civilized health care system - like all the other civilized western countries (not saying that all those countries have a brilliant system though).

so here you have it - i don't consider the health care system in the US civilized - i consider it a cash machine that does not care about those that cannot afford it.

and the broad consensus at least among the right wing people seems to be that this is fine - i tend more to the "socialist" approach that guarantees everyone basic coverage - no matter what income.

and now - like every Wednesday - i'll go and meet with friends for a beer.

MaDalton has left the building.

If not for the Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and Big Hospital industries lobbying the Federal Govt. with hundreds of millions of dollars...health care costs in the U.S. would be like they were when I was a young adult and you would be able to pay out of pocket for all but the most expensive catastrophic health issues.

And that would only require cheap catastrophic health insurance.

This whole thing is created by Pharma, Insurance, and Hospital Corporations and made legal by the politicians for sale in Washington D.C.

no group insurance plan i've ever come across had an enrollment window.

you can obviously assume what you want since you've already assumed i've been against govt subsidized healthcare system.

Saw Medicaid mentioned above and how it's a state by state program. Medicaid is provided by each state, some of which are federally backed/subsidized? Correct?

What happens if a person is out of the state who's program they're under? Is he screwed or is there a program in place?

Have you ever had a job which you bought your insurance though their provider? It is an "extremely" common thing that there is an open enrollment period for 2 months then you can not make any changes until the following year.

The only exceptions is new hires whom have to wait 90 days before they can sign up and adding a new member to your family.. ie spouse or child.

This is a very very common and standard way of doing things in the insurance world.

Ok.

First the guy said he doesn't qualify for Obamacare because his income is too high.

Then he says all his ssavings have been drained

Then he says he cannot work.

So where is high income coming from?

based on what you are stating, if obamacare was like a typical group policy, this guy would have been able to enroll, since he's new.

Yet we had the opportunity to do away with that when Obamacare was first envisioned but Republicans fought tooth and nail against it and Democrats caved to their concessions and we get a watered down shitty version.

Perhaps if political parties stopped making healthcare a "political football" then perhaps our system wouldn't be run by big Pharma, Big Insurance & big Hospital groups..


This is how cheap big Pharma buys off congressmen

Top Recipients, 2013-2014 (Big Pharma)

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $357,173
Booker, Cory (D-NJ) Senate $308,150
Markey, Ed (D-MA) Senate $307,450
Upton, Fred (R-MI) House $302,700
Hagan, Kay R (D-NC) Senate $284,449

https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...us.php?ind=H04




Top Recipients, 2013-2014 (Insurance Lobbies)

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $588,075
Boehner, John (R-OH) House $529,385
Ryan, Paul (R-WI) House $466,678
Hensarling, Jeb (R-TX) House $355,014
Warner, Mark (D-VA) Senate $349,350


https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...us.php?ind=F09


No wonder Paul Ryan hates Obamacare so much.. He's been in Congress barely 5 years and he's getting almost as much as Boehner.. He gets paid to hate it..

Do you mean if a resident of State X becomes injured in State Y and needs Medical attention in State Y? In that case the State X insurance pays the State Y hospital's medical bills.

No because now he's unemployed and doesn't meet the income requirements.. The option for him is Medicare, but because guys like him voted for people whom would not add the medicare expansion in his state he now can't get insurance.

He can still get insurance by he or his wife getting a "job" or he could move to a state which had some common sense to add the medicare expansion to cover people like him whom need the entitlements.

crockett...you keep repeating that somehow "Republicans" stopped the beloved Democrats from doing what they wanted. Even though the Democrats were 100% in power with the Pres. and both the House and Senate.

That is ridiculous.

I still remember, by the way...seeing on the news that the FIRST thing Pres. Obama did when he started working on his healthcare plan was to call in the heads of all the big pharmacy companies and assure them that their price-gouging in the U.S. would not be affected by his plan.

They left VERY happy.

Republicans weren't even allowed to be in the room for that...or any part of the "Affordable Health Care Act".

Your argument is just plain wrong. You're trying to blame everything that your "team" does badly on the other "team".
And all of this "team" politics is what allows both of those ruling parties to hold hands and ruin our country.

I guess you missed the part where the Feds only subsidize the state's on this newly expanded Medicare for a couple of years.
THEN, the already bankrupt state's have to find a way to do it for themselves.

And unlike the Federal Govt., most state's have it in their state constitution that they can NOT deficit spend.

The only prudent thing any governor could do for his state would be to walk away from the medicare expansion IF they don't have the money to pay for it.

So you think that being Republicans get over 60% of all the big Pharma money & nearly 70% of the Big Insurance money has nothing to do with them trying to repel Obamacare?

If Obamacare is so great for Big Pharma & Big Insurance why aren't they giving more money to Democrats and less to Republicans whom keep trying to do away with their big windfall of cash? If they are so happy with it why would they support guys whom are trying to do away with it?

Again, you are sidestepping the FACT that the Democrats were in complete control when Obama Care was written.

I don't give a damn what the Republicans were WANTING at the time. And neither did Pres. Obama, Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi.

They locked the Republicans out of the process.

Focus Crockett. Open your eyes and see what really happened.
This law was created by Obama and the Democrats. It was passed by Obama and the Democrats.

Not one Republican was allowed to write any part of it and none of them voted for it.

The reason is because the DEMOCRATS were trying to get GOP support during the legislative process. More GOP votes would insure passage of the bill. That is why the Democrats made concessions that they thought the GOP would agree with. It turns out that even with these concessions, no GOP legislator voted in favor of it.

If they could to do it all over again, the Democrats should not even try to make those concessions since they did not need any GOP votes in the first place.

which brings me back to my point, comments that this guy doesn't deserve medical care and wish him blindness due to his political beliefs.

we should deny cancer treatment and medical care for smokers and people who live close to freeways on account of they deserve it any medical issues they get and they're extra stupid so they really don't deserve medical care.

The guy's political beliefs is that Obamacare is bad. So of course one does not deserve something which they think is bad. No one said the guy does not deserve medical care.

False analogy. smokers are not claiming medical care is bad.

yes, they have said they hope they guy goes blind and tough shit. go back and (re)read the thread. and it doesn't matter if someone thinks obamacare is bad. it's the government's program he realized his mistake and tried to participate.


false false analogy claim. i didn't claim smokers are not claiming medical care is bad.


anyhoo, feel free to nitpick my view, the simple fact is i wouldn't point my finger at this guy if i haven't walked in his shoes and had to come to grips with being diagnosed with a serious disease.

You did make a false analogy.

Because this going-blind guy did claim Obamacare is bad, and voted accordingly. That's why he deserves to be denied Obamacare.

However smokers in general do not claim medical care is bad. That's why they do not deserve to be denied medical care


So people are not allowed to make comments regarding another's self responsibility? Noted.

The guy found out since at least DECEMBER 2014 that he was having serious medical problems. The deadline to signup for Obamacare 2015 was in February 15, 2015. What took him so long? Probably hate for anything with the word "Obama" attached to it.

Interesting that the wife is blaming Obama for her husband's missing the 2015 deadline to signup for Obamacare.

Why is she not blaming the REPUBLICAN state politicians who refused to allow an extension of the signup deadline?